ASoIaF Mafia Prologue (10/13) - D3: The Bloody Winter Rose

[Iron Butterfly]

So much fail in this game already.

Sort it out you guys. Jeez.

While you stand back and criticize while we "try" to sort it out.

I have half a mind to vote you for not contributing to this so called "fail"

Eh, sitting back on Day 1 is something I've always done. A wise tactic actually.

That would only be true if your tongue were stuck in your arse.

So with all due seriousness why are you putting yourself separate from the group? I want you to tell us what we should sort out. When you say "so much fail" what exactly are your observations? You almost made it through day one using your wise strategy...but not this game.

[The Weird One]

Honestly, after a reread of recent events, Masket is the one that looks to be the most suspicious, in my eyes. Jonty doesn't look guilt free, what with blindly jumping on a wagon for no reason, but Masket's simply sitting back and prodding us to do more while he continues to do nothing just rubs me the wrong way. Unvote vote MM.

[Minister Masket]

Honestly, after a reread of recent events, Masket is the one that looks to be the most suspicious, in my eyes. Jonty doesn't look guilt free, what with blindly jumping on a wagon for no reason, but Masket's simply sitting back and prodding us to do more while he continues to do nothing just rubs me the wrong way. Unvote vote MM.

Really this just proves my point about sitting back on Day 1. I decide to get marginally more involved and already here's a vote from someone. It's a crap reason I have to say, I wasn't prodding you to dig around for me, just to refrain from posting stuff that makes me want to facepalm.

So with all due seriousness why are you putting yourself separate from the group? I want you to tell us what we should sort out. When you say "so much fail" what exactly are your observations? You almost made it through day one using your wise strategy...but not this game.

There's no 'group' atm, since this is basically a factions game n'all. And I guess I wasn't clear before but alot of the fail appears to be coming from our darling mod ^^ (don't smite me), in particular with the VC.

As for what I think....I suppose pressuring an inactive would be the way to go.

[Iron Butterfly]

Honestly, after a reread of recent events, Masket is the one that looks to be the most suspicious, in my eyes. Jonty doesn't look guilt free, what with blindly jumping on a wagon for no reason, but Masket's simply sitting back and prodding us to do more while he continues to do nothing just rubs me the wrong way. Unvote vote MM.

Really this just proves my point about sitting back on Day 1. I decide to get marginally more involved and already here's a vote from someone. It's a crap reason I have to say, I wasn't prodding you to dig around for me, just to refrain from posting stuff that makes me want to facepalm.

So with all due seriousness why are you putting yourself separate from the group? I want you to tell us what we should sort out. When you say "so much fail" what exactly are your observations? You almost made it through day one using your wise strategy...but not this game.

There's no 'group' atm, since this is basically a factions game n'all. And I guess I wasn't clear before but alot of the fail appears to be coming from our darling mod ^^ (don't smite me), in particular with the VC.

As for what I think....I suppose pressuring an inactive would be the way to go.

You never had a point and your participation is greatly exaggerated on your part. You hang back and when you decide to make a contribution it is a two sentence criticism. Now you complain about the circumstance you have put yourself in.

unvote vote MM

I asked you some earlier questions to help sort things out, which you have chosen to ignore. Illiad is it seems an inactive while you have set your own table.

[Iliad]

I am sorry for going a bit AWOL guys, nipped out after the joke vote stage and then uni hit. And Im what at L-2 now? Still I don't see a particularly great need to claim just yet unless my people are much more serious about this case.

Besides that, I don't see much use in trying to guess based on the theme. Partly because it kinda feels like gaming the system but mostly because we kinda have nothing to go off so far. We can guess on the characters that could be, but there could also easily be characters reserved for fake claims and so that whole line of speculation feels like it's going down a blind alley right now. Maybe when the game has developed more and we know the kind of roles and mechanics that are out there we cn start drawing up a list, but at this point it's blind guessing at what Commander might do.


The other things that jumped out at me and people were seemingly fine with.

"There will be no good guys or bad guys – only players and pawns, so this *WILL* not be a traditional mafia game. Thou must realize – if thou will decide to play the Game of Thrones, thou will win… Or die. There is no middle ground."

I have been at a loss as to how to approach day one. How do you "hunt" scum when there really are no scum per say but factions?

The death of one player could mean the win condition for another player.

In many ways a lynch has more consequences in this game then a regular mafia game.

I have to say, the no lynch jokevote is pretty obvious a joke to me. Reading any more deeply into it would be a waste of time IMHO.

Incidentally, I get the feeling allegiances will probably change in the course of the game, could make it difficult to pin down whether someone's claim is town or not.

There are partial and full victory requirements, but the majority of people's victory requirements will be town aligned. Finding people who have a different interest or purpose is the point of mafia. Factions yes, but it's still a mafia game.

Also safari's comment abotu allegiance swaps also raised an eyebrow.

[The Weird One]

Still I don't see a particularly great need to claim just yet unless my people are much more serious about this case.

About the bolded bit...Your people? That just jumped out at me when I read over that post...

[jonty125]

I felt Iliad, would be reluctant to claim, at L-4, but less so at L-3. We need a claim, D1, and I felt this would be the best place, and it seems I've got slandered, for been last on the wagon.

[Minister Masket]

I asked you some earlier questions to help sort things out, which you have chosen to ignore. Illiad is it seems an inactive while you have set your own table.

I answered both of them so if you're going to lie at least try and make it not blindingly obvious.

[Flow520]

So much fail in this game already.

Sort it out you guys. Jeez.

This was almost enough for me to give you an immediate ragevote. However, I held my tongue to let cooler heads prob you for the reasoning behind your statement.

After your responses such as this:

and this:

Eh, sitting back on Day 1 is something I've always done. A wise tactic actually.

And then your inane responses to The Weird One's and Iron Butterfly's comments:

Honestly, after a reread of recent events, Masket is the one that looks to be the most suspicious, in my eyes. Jonty doesn't look guilt free, what with blindly jumping on a wagon for no reason, but Masket's simply sitting back and prodding us to do more while he continues to do nothing just rubs me the wrong way. Unvote vote MM.

Really this just proves my point about sitting back on Day 1. I decide to get marginally more involved and already here's a vote from someone. It's a crap reason I have to say, I wasn't prodding you to dig around for me, just to refrain from posting stuff that makes me want to facepalm.

So with all due seriousness why are you putting yourself separate from the group? I want you to tell us what we should sort out. When you say "so much fail" what exactly are your observations? You almost made it through day one using your wise strategy...but not this game.

There's no 'group' atm, since this is basically a factions game n'all. And I guess I wasn't clear before but alot of the fail appears to be coming from our darling mod ^^ (don't smite me), in particular with the VC.

As for what I think....I suppose pressuring an inactive would be the way to go.

"oh no! don't dig around for me!"
"Believe me, it's all the mod's fault!"
It wasn't me, it was the one-armed man!

I believe Iron Butterfly is right:

You never had a point and your participation is greatly exaggerated on your part. You hang back and when you decide to make a contribution it is a two sentence criticism. Now you complain about the circumstance you have put yourself in.

Unvote
Vote Minister Masket

And on a side note, Minister Masket, you really need to take your own advice:

... refrain from posting stuff that makes me want to facepalm.

[Fircoal]

TWO has told me he's having problems posting on the forum.

Also I am buried under schoolwork and stuff. I'll try to post soon. ;n;

[Commander9]

Upon request, I'm willing to give a final deadline extension as activity has picked up.

[Iron Butterfly]

I asked you some earlier questions to help sort things out, which you have chosen to ignore. Illiad is it seems an inactive while you have set your own table.

I answered both of them so if you're going to lie at least try and make it not blindingly obvious.

"There's no 'group' atm, since this is basically a factions game n'all. And I guess I wasn't clear before but alot of the fail appears to be coming from our darling mod ^^ (don't smite me), in particular with the VC.

As for what I think....I suppose pressuring an inactive would be the way to go."

First when I say "separated yourself from the group" I am not making a statement in regards to faction. I am speaking in regards to general attitude. Your attitude is reflected in several of your statements. People can choose to interpret your words how they see fit. I for one have made my thoughts known.

Second, we are most certainly a group. We are first and for most a group of players playing mafia under rules we normally are not used to playing. Yes this is a factions game but the factions are but sub groups of the whole.

Third...don't blame the mod. We are all trying to make our way.

[Iron Butterfly]

An extension would be good.

[Minister Masket]

I asked you some earlier questions to help sort things out, which you have chosen to ignore. Illiad is it seems an inactive while you have set your own table.

I answered both of them so if you're going to lie at least try and make it not blindingly obvious.

"There's no 'group' atm, since this is basically a factions game n'all. And I guess I wasn't clear before but alot of the fail appears to be coming from our darling mod ^^ (don't smite me), in particular with the VC.

As for what I think....I suppose pressuring an inactive would be the way to go."

First when I say "separated yourself from the group" I am not making a statement in regards to faction. I am speaking in regards to general attitude. Your attitude is reflected in several of your statements. People can choose to interpret your words how they see fit. I for one have made my thoughts known.

So essentially you don't like the way I play mafia and/or didn't like the fact I was honest about how I like to play Day 1 and have voted me for it. Day 1 is almost always about joke votes and having a laugh, and my original "so much fail" comment was a part of that.

Second, we are most certainly a group. We are first and for most a group of players playing mafia under rules we normally are not used to playing. Yes this is a factions game but the factions are but sub groups of the whole.

>implying none of us have played a factions game before

Anyway, people who haven't voted me, it's a good shout to connect at least two of those who did onto the same faction, since it happened relatively quickly.

[Iron Butterfly]

I asked you some earlier questions to help sort things out, which you have chosen to ignore. Illiad is it seems an inactive while you have set your own table.

I answered both of them so if you're going to lie at least try and make it not blindingly obvious.

"There's no 'group' atm, since this is basically a factions game n'all. And I guess I wasn't clear before but alot of the fail appears to be coming from our darling mod ^^ (don't smite me), in particular with the VC.

As for what I think....I suppose pressuring an inactive would be the way to go."

First when I say "separated yourself from the group" I am not making a statement in regards to faction. I am speaking in regards to general attitude. Your attitude is reflected in several of your statements. People can choose to interpret your words how they see fit. I for one have made my thoughts known.

So essentially you don't like the way I play mafia and/or didn't like the fact I was honest about how I like to play Day 1 and have voted me for it. Day 1 is almost always about joke votes and having a laugh, and my original "so much fail" comment was a part of that.

Second, we are most certainly a group. We are first and for most a group of players playing mafia under rules we normally are not used to playing. Yes this is a factions game but the factions are but sub groups of the whole.

>implying none of us have played a factions game before

Anyway, people who haven't voted me, it's a good shout to connect at least two of those who did onto the same faction, since it happened relatively quickly.

Weather I like or dislike how you play is irrelevant. What is relevant is your behavior and how the group as a whole respond to it. This is certainly not personal towards you. My reactions to you are game play related. For a day one, your gameplay strategy stands apart from others as scummy.

So far we have three options.

Put pressure on Illiad
Put pressure on jonty
Put pressure on you.

We do not know if their is a traditional mafia faction. If this game has no mafia faction then no one would know who is part of what faction at the start of the game. The fact that you have three votes on you does not mean that the three who voted you are part of the same faction as you somehow suggest.

If you feel you are being unfairly targeted then offer up a reason why you should not be.

Your words are what drew attention to yourself.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I asked you some earlier questions to help sort things out, which you have chosen to ignore. Illiad is it seems an inactive while you have set your own table.

I answered both of them so if you're going to lie at least try and make it not blindingly obvious.

"There's no 'group' atm, since this is basically a factions game n'all. And I guess I wasn't clear before but alot of the fail appears to be coming from our darling mod ^^ (don't smite me), in particular with the VC.

As for what I think....I suppose pressuring an inactive would be the way to go."

First when I say "separated yourself from the group" I am not making a statement in regards to faction. I am speaking in regards to general attitude. Your attitude is reflected in several of your statements. People can choose to interpret your words how they see fit. I for one have made my thoughts known.

So essentially you don't like the way I play mafia and/or didn't like the fact I was honest about how I like to play Day 1 and have voted me for it. Day 1 is almost always about joke votes and having a laugh, and my original "so much fail" comment was a part of that.

Second, we are most certainly a group. We are first and for most a group of players playing mafia under rules we normally are not used to playing. Yes this is a factions game but the factions are but sub groups of the whole.

>implying none of us have played a factions game before

Anyway, people who haven't voted me, it's a good shout to connect at least two of those who did onto the same faction, since it happened relatively quickly.

Minister, you are digging your own hole here. There has to be a D1. Nobody likes D1. For you to think that you are exempt from participating comes across as you wanting to not "slip" on something you say. Strike 1. Your "fail" comment came across as a criticism of those of us who are actually playing the game and posting to try and figure things out, while you sit back and laugh at us. Strike 2. Then you make a case that because people disagree with your style of play, find your posts scummy, and vote your for that they must all be scum. Strike 3. vote Minister Maskit

[strike wolf]

I would like to know why MM automatically assumes those in other factions know each other.

[jonty125]

Upon request, I'm willing to give a final deadline extension as activity has picked up.

So when is new deadline?


There are three options:
1. Iliad - the inactive (who has now shown up)
2. Me - the bandwagonner
3. MM - the scummy posts.

So much fail in this game already.

Sort it out you guys. Jeez.

This just isn't helpful.

Eh, sitting back on Day 1 is something I've always done. A wise tactic actually.

Now you're supporting scummarining.

alot of the fail appears to be coming from our darling mod

care to elaborate, by my reckoning there have been no mod slips.

So unvote, vote MM, yes this is me joining another well developed wagon, but what else can I do

[The Weird One]

...
So unvote, vote MM, yes this is me joining another well developed wagon, but what else can I do

No, this is you giving thought out reasons and casting a vote accordingly. The fact that it's jumping on someone that already has a mob pursueing them is mostly irrelevant. What made you seem scummy before was that you didn't really put in much if any reason to your vote when you jumped on that bandwagon.

[Flow520]

MM is L-3 by my count.

[Commander9]

Vote Count:

Iliad (3) - Spiesr, safari, Wolf,
Flow (1) - illy
Wolf (1) - KGB
MM (5) - TWO, Butterfly, flow, nebs, jonty (L-3)

With 13 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is this Saturday midnight. This is the finally deadline with no more extensions. Lynch will ONLY happen if the voting requirement has been satisfied (no 50-50 flip).

care to elaborate, by my reckoning there have been no mod slips.

I was curious about that too, but willing to end to wait until the end of the game. Apart from one voting miscount and typo, I can't seem to remember mod slips/fails.

[Fircoal]

Unvote, Vote: MM



















loljk.

But not really.

Let's get down to business shall we. Ministar Mascat I have a problem with what you have brought up today. I can understand that you may not like day 1s as they can be fairly random and such but how you have acted today has not exactly gone with the behaviour that you exhibited. Rather than try to joke around and play with the day you hid more in the backgrounds and tried to make others do your work for you. From what I know of you, you are the type of person who likes a good joke. And day 1 is a prime time for that. I have seen you before use the early timing to joke around and play. However today you didn't seem to do so. And only when you were called out did you try to do so instead of offering up a defence of what had happened.

Also I am somewhat suspicious of Jonty. That first bandwagon attempt was a bit too quick, and a bit without reason.

[Iron Butterfly]

Time to claim Minister.

[Flow520]

Minister Masket, with Fircoal's vote, you are at L-2.

How is it L-8? Is this a mistake or are there some extra votes in this game?

Normally that rule is applied in such a way that 7 votes would be required with 13 living players. When the amount of votes required is higher than that it is usually a sign that there are some extra votes or something floating around. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what number comes next Day 2.

Given the possibility raised by others of "extra votes" in this game, you may want to claim sooner rather than later. It would be really sad if someone with more than one vote hammered you before you had a chance to give more info. Because of that, I'm going to Unvote for now. If you have not convinced the majority as well as me in the near future, I will put my vote back on you. (So to be clear, I am voting for MM, but my vote is not official just to avoid a premature hammer by a theorized double voting player.)

Deadline is this Saturday midnight. This is the finally deadline with no more extensions. Lynch will ONLY happen if the voting requirement has been satisfied (no 50-50 flip).

[Minister Masket]

I can understand that you may not like day 1s as they can be fairly random and such but how you have acted today has not exactly gone with the behaviour that you exhibited. Rather than try to joke around and play with the day you hid more in the backgrounds and tried to make others do your work for you. From what I know of you, you are the type of person who likes a good joke. And day 1 is a prime time for that. I have seen you before use the early timing to joke around and play. However today you didn't seem to do so. And only when you were called out did you try to do so instead of offering up a defence of what had happened.

Never said I didn't like Day 1.
And what the bloody hell is the underlined part about? I'm doing all my own work here. By getting a bandwagon on myself, as I said before, it's a good bet the first lot who jumped in are aligned.

I would like to know why MM automatically assumes those in other factions know each other.

Because I know the other guy in my faction and it makes sense to assume it's the same for the others.