Franci_Magnus & clowntriste - Secret diplomacy[blocked]SN

[fumandomuerte]

Accused:

Franci_Magnus
clowntriste

The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Game number(s):

Game 12926908

Comments:
Blue let green take a huge advantage while we had to survive in the middle of the map. Irrational behavior only explained through a secret alliance, please check the chat for further details:

2013-06-30 01:26:23 - Bugle Boy: did anyone notice ...green isstrong....
2013-06-30 01:29:24 - -=- Tanarri -=-: Blue, if you're not going to contribute, I'm just gonna let green win
2013-06-30 01:30:08 - -=- Tanarri -=-: You've even prevented me from breaking 10 of green's bonuses with that last move
2013-06-30 01:30:19 - -=- Tanarri -=-: And it's not the first time you've done that either
2013-06-30 01:30:34 - fumandomuerte: well yellow, you didn't want to take cards for rounds
2013-06-30 01:35:19 - Bugle Boy: as soon as i had 3 green would have swooped in and taken them......
2013-06-30 01:36:38 - Bugle Boy: i am in 100% survival mode...
2013-06-30 01:45:03 - Bugle Boy: green likes your inner fighting...
2013-06-30 01:46:04 - fumandomuerte: what inner fighting? we've been in a non-official truce for eons...
2013-06-30 01:48:27 - Bugle Boy: green has not been hit for 15 min.
2013-06-30 01:51:02 - -=- Tanarri -=-: Not the type to say it's related, but I can't help but notice how blue and green are regular doubles partners.
2013-06-30 01:52:55 - fumandomuerte: hmmm very true, a lot of speed games together...
2013-06-30 01:58:08 - -=- Tanarri -=-: Blue, move, use it, or lose it
2013-06-30 02:00:05 - fumandomuerte: shit
2013-06-30 02:00:18 - clowntriste: I used it to get spoils
2013-06-30 02:00:51 - fumandomuerte: you could have broke green
2013-06-30 02:00:54 - fumandomuerte: easily
2013-06-30 02:00:58 - fumandomuerte: and you didn't
2013-06-30 02:01:32 - fumandomuerte: this is bs
2013-06-30 02:01:43 - fumandomuerte: at its best
2013-06-30 02:03:00 - -=- Tanarri -=-: Blue, you could have easily gotten spoils off of breaking green. And then green sits there and never breaks you either.
2013-06-30 02:04:05 - -=- Tanarri -=-: And then you move a chunk more troops into my way when I finally give up waiting for you to do something and go after green anyway
2013-06-30 02:04:13 - -=- Tanarri -=-: I'm sorry, it's really not looking that great
2013-06-30 02:04:23 - clowntriste: I would have die
2013-06-30 02:04:52 - fumandomuerte: you're gonna die either way, but without 'honor'
2013-06-30 02:11:10 - fumandomuerte: shall we report these anomalies tanarri?
2013-06-30 02:12:45 - -=- Tanarri -=-: Was already going to... frankly, based on the last game I played with blue, I don't know if it's just he's a horrible player or if he's got something going with green, but this game really just isn't looking good
2013-06-30 02:15:20 - fumandomuerte: cool, I back you up, this isn't the usual bad-player-case
2013-06-30 02:17:11 - fumandomuerte: I'm very tolerant to that just for reference, but I can't stand a secret alliance
2013-06-30 02:28:17 - -=- Tanarri -=-: I try to be tolerant to bad play too (though have to admit I have my moments), but when you look at the games they play together and find 3 out of the last 40+ haven't been played together and combine it with what's going on here, it really doesn't look
2013-06-30 02:28:22 - -=- Tanarri -=-: good
2013-06-30 02:31:10 - Franci_Magnus: lol see how you play with pink
2013-06-30 02:31:45 - fumandomuerte: how? please explain your theory, I'm very curious
2013-06-30 02:33:26 - fumandomuerte: we were fighting each other fiercely, but we had to stop when we got cleared outside the walls
2013-06-30 02:34:22 - fumandomuerte: yellow could have done better, but that's history. Now blue... he had the chance to move easterly but he refused letting you get 20+ troops each round
2013-06-30 02:35:27 - -=- Tanarri -=-: I was a couple turns away from killing pink at one point before yellow showed up. We had to stop fighting each other (same with yellow) when we noticed green was getting more bonus than me, pink, and yellow combined
2013-06-30 02:35:33 - -=- Tanarri -=-: and blue was sitting on his butt letting him
2013-06-30 02:36:23 - -=- Tanarri -=-: and not to mention blue got in the way of both yellow and me when we went down to break green
2013-06-30 02:48:32 - clowntriste: It's a long siege
2013-06-30 03:09:32 - clowntriste: It's been a 3 hour siege
2013-06-30 03:12:02 - clowntriste: My goal is that this game never ends
2013-06-30 03:13:05 - -=- Tanarri -=-: pionk, take the tunnel if you like
2013-06-30 03:22:34 - -=- Tanarri -=-: Guess green didn't like me attacking blue that last turn
2013-06-30 03:47:02 - clowntriste: who should I attack ?
2013-06-30 04:02:28 - fumandomuerte: pathetic
2013-06-30 04:03:06 - -=- Tanarri -=-: I dunno, maybe the guy who's about to drop 30?
2013-06-30 04:03:35 - -=- Tanarri -=-: That's running through all of your territories while you attack my and pink's bonus?
2013-06-30 04:03:54 - -=- Tanarri -=-: Just a thought
2013-06-30 04:06:45 - fumandomuerte: these clowns should be banned
2013-06-30 04:08:37 - clowntriste: either that or it never ends
2013-06-30 04:08:52 - clowntriste: 4 hours now


Check the history between both players, they even have some bad reputation within their respective feedback.

[Lindax]

I had similar suspicions in Game 12926746

Either they help each other or the clown is a very poor player.

Lx

[fumandomuerte]

I had similar suspicions in Game 12926746

Either they help each other or the clown is a very poor player.

Lx

I don't think that behavior can be caused by a bad player to be honest, because a bad player would have done eventual irrational moves affecting all the players in the board, but these guys played as a team since the beginning.

[-=- Tanarri -=-]

I was part of the game that is being reported and have to say it was the most incredibly frustrating game I've played in a loooooong time. Even after me and fumandomuerte called them out on secret diplomacy it took them several turns before they even started trying to fake not working together. The game finally ended with clown completely and blatantly throwing it to Franci_Magnus.

In the previous speed game they played with me in it (See Game 12926828), Franci owned the throne and took everybody except clown out of the Great Hall, even though clown owned the Forest and Woods Camp. Only after yellow attacked clown and I finished him off from the bottom did green finally take the two spots red had in Great Hall in order to take his cards. I thought it was odd at the time but wrote it off as Franci being a noob, until I played my next game with them right afterwards and ran into the blatant cheating that's being reported above.

These players have played nearly half of all their games together. Out of their 104 multi player games they've played together, one of the two of them have won 61 of them. There is no way these players can play as poorly as I've seen them play and have one of the two of them win so many multiplayer games. They've also played 11 doubles together and have won 4 of them, nowhere near the ratio of wins they've had in multiplayer.

I've seen plenty of favortism on the site, particularly with clanmates, where whether spoken or unspoken, they leave each other alone as much as reasonably possible without being complete noobs about it, but what these two are doing goes so blantantly beyond that into the realm of pre-planned gross abuse of the site. These guys deserve a seriously smiting from the CC mods. This has to be one of the bigger gross displays of cheating that I've known of over the last few years of being around CC and I'm pretty sure it's the largest I've been a victim of.

I think it's also worth pointing out even though Franci joined a year or so after clown, they're both from Canada and Franci started playing regular games with clown as of his third game on the site. While their general activity doesn't suggest a multi account to me, I have really high suspicions they at least know each other in real life and a quick multi check may even be worthwhile.

[Great-Ollie]

Game 12926485 I lost my temper in this one as well with these two. Red was clearly winning and green went on 3 straight suicide missions on me avoiding red the whole time. I was mad, total waste of time. These 2 are very suspicious and play like they may have a secret deal on the side. Franci_Magnus This guy is now my one and only foe it was so bad. Another weird thing in this game was red played before green and only had 2 terits for 5 cards left to kill him but red went crashing into me again. Then green handed in and did the same thing? I was really confused but if the are playing as a team, or same person makes perfect sense. I commented on it in chat.

[betiko]

Looks like these two need a vacation with all those cases on them..

[Franci_Magnus]

Hi.

I will produce a defense in short delays if I have the natural justice right to be heard is enforced here. Would you be so kind as to be more condensed and concise in all these well written but profuse allegations. I have read all of your posts, but It will beof great service and help to accuse with precise, subsequently numerated accusations, with the factssupporting them. It would be of great help, all your accusations make an intelligible defense veryhard to produce for me in reasonable delays to satisfy your need for information or Justice. Thanks.
F.O.GUAY, L.L.B.

[Mr Changsha]

Hi.

I will produce a defense in short delays if I have the natural justice right to be heard is enforced here. Would you be so kind as to be more condensed and concise in all these well written but profuse allegations. I have read all of your posts, but It will beof great service and help to accuse with precise, subsequently numerated accusations, with the factssupporting them. It would be of great help, all your accusations make an intelligible defense veryhard to produce for me in reasonable delays to satisfy your need for information or Justice. Thanks.
F.O.GUAY, L.L.B.

The chap's tone positively screams guilt.

[notyou2]

Hi.

I will produce a defense in short delays if I have the natural justice right to be heard is enforced here. Would you be so kind as to be more condensed and concise in all these well written but profuse allegations. I have read all of your posts, but It will beof great service and help to accuse with precise, subsequently numerated accusations, with the factssupporting them. It would be of great help, all your accusations make an intelligible defense veryhard to produce for me in reasonable delays to satisfy your need for information or Justice. Thanks.
F.O.GUAY, L.L.B.

I am guessing French is Monsier Guay's first language.

[sniffie]

Busted as multis. Premiums have been stripped but they are free to make an appeal via an eTicket.

sniff

Update:
After further investigation, they have been cleared of being multis but are blocked from playing each other in the same game from this point on.

[fumandomuerte]

Thanks sniffie

[-=- Tanarri -=-]

Busted as multis. Premiums have been stripped but they are free to make an appeal via an eTicket.

sniff

Thanks sniffie for your work in this. I'm actually surprised they ended up being multies, but certainly good to know they've been appropriately punished. I'm hoping they've also been blocked from playing with each other in future games?