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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby jgordon1111 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:50 am

Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:wow, I didn't know that Forums were a place that only people that used it before can comment. Interesting. Were YOU ever allowed to make a first comment?

Wow, "he didn't know what was happening to him" but he also said "doesn't everyone want a shot?"

Mods, is there any chance we can limit repliers to logical people?, but sometimes the posts here ARE comical.



You finally said it glg,doesnt everyone want a shot? but point of fact is you dont give everyone a shot, only those you hand pick. So quoting that is way out of line,self serving if you know what I mean. Its called ranching doing it that way glg. You made a tactical error just then. You defend yourself well then you let your ego get the better of you and slip.

Unless you are finally going to do that and give some of the players that have called you out a shot, I would suggest you consider that line carefully,and think about quoting those that play against you.
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby IcePack on Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:52 am

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Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:wow, I didn't know that Forums were a place that only people that used it before can comment. Interesting. Were YOU ever allowed to make a first comment?

Wow, "he didn't know what was happening to him" but he also said "doesn't everyone want a shot?"

Mods, is there any chance we can limit repliers to logical people?, but sometimes the posts here ARE comical.



You finally said it glg,doesnt everyone want a shot? but point of fact is you dont give everyone a shot, only those you hand pick. So quoting that is way out of line,self serving if you know what I mean. Its called ranching doing it that way glg. You made a tactical error just then. You defend yourself well then you let your ego get the better of you and slip.

Unless you are finally going to do that and give some of the players that have called you out a shot, I would suggest you consider that line carefully,and think about quoting those that play against you.


This makes no sense, you dont have to let ANYBODY play a game vs you. Not people who call you out, not people you dont like, not people you foe. Hand picking opponents is what we do day to day on this website for nearly EVERY game we play, even team games.

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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby eddie2 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:03 am

IcePack wrote:
King Engineer wrote: I thought it would be an amazing opportunity for me to learn Mogul City risking only 4 points, and gaining 68ish points if I win.


ice pack you still dont see it this 1 part of the statement is what is being complained about. and what this player did not know was he had no chance of winning the game through the settings and map that were put in place and only settings glg would allow to be played.

glg exclusively looks out players like above with no experiance on the map no post forum history(so they dont know about him) and either non or little experiance with freestyle. he ropes them in by saying if they lose they will only lose about 6 points (which anybody would accept it.) where they would gain 68 if they win (which they stand no chance due to the settings and map choice.) you say he is only getting 6 points a game but when you look at his game history 90 percent of his points have been won like this. and is what his last warning told him to stop doing.
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby IcePack on Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:09 am

eddie2 wrote:
IcePack wrote:
King Engineer wrote: I thought it would be an amazing opportunity for me to learn Mogul City risking only 4 points, and gaining 68ish points if I win.


ice pack you still dont see it this 1 part of the statement is what is being complained about. and what this player did not know was he had no chance of winning the game through the settings and map that were put in place and only settings glg would allow to be played.

glg exclusively looks out players like above with no experiance on the map no post forum history(so they dont know about him) and either non or little experiance with freestyle. he ropes them in by saying if they lose they will only lose about 6 points (which anybody would accept it.) where they would gain 68 if they win (which they stand no chance due to the settings and map choice.) you say he is only getting 6 points a game but when you look at his game history 90 percent of his points have been won like this.


Here's to clear things up, I was VERY WELL aware that Gen.LeeGettinhed is a master player, especially in Mogul CIty/ Waterloo.

I use BOB, Map Rank, am in a clan. I'm not an idiot. I knew even then he's made 1000 or 2000 points out of Mogul City

(to quote King Eng....I dont want to be accused of "making assumptions" again)
Sounds like you are assuming a lot of what he did or didn't know.
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby jgordon1111 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:28 am

IcePack wrote:
jgordon1111 wrote:
Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:wow, I didn't know that Forums were a place that only people that used it before can comment. Interesting. Were YOU ever allowed to make a first comment?

Wow, "he didn't know what was happening to him" but he also said "doesn't everyone want a shot?"

Mods, is there any chance we can limit repliers to logical people?, but sometimes the posts here ARE comical.



You finally said it glg,doesnt everyone want a shot? but point of fact is you dont give everyone a shot, only those you hand pick. So quoting that is way out of line,self serving if you know what I mean. Its called ranching doing it that way glg. You made a tactical error just then. You defend yourself well then you let your ego get the better of you and slip.

Unless you are finally going to do that and give some of the players that have called you out a shot, I would suggest you consider that line carefully,and think about quoting those that play against you.


This makes no sense, you dont have to let ANYBODY play a game vs you. Not people who call you out, not people you dont like, not people you foe. Hand picking opponents is what we do day to day on this website for nearly EVERY game we play, even team games.

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Ice until 2 of the players who lost posted I was behind glg on this and wasn't going to say anymore on this topic.

But then to see players who had never posted in the forum up until now suddenly show up says they were asked to most likely.

Then couple that with the fact glg qouted one of them,saying everyone deserves a shot,when in fact he doesnt give anyone but those he hand picks with his hand picked settings a shot,says glg's ego has overridden his thinking here. If he was even once in a while accepting real challenges I would have not said a word,But the fact he quoted that statement says alot,he is willing to work the system as long as it's overwhelmingly in his favor.

Yes we all set up team games,individual games, But do we hunt down the players that play against us, and never accept any legitimate challenges.

No we dont. when I set up a game its for anyone who (wants a shot). Even when its FS and I see RHP,gabriel,and some of the others,I took the risk.

It is not a risk when your opponent doesnt know the map or settings,even if they are trying for the longshot win,thats like putting a blind horse in a race. Long shot and someone is going to bet him,even though there is no way in hell that horse is going to win.

See thats what makes it ranching,the horse cant see the track and doesnt know whats going on therefore cant win,will that horse run for the prize if given the opportunity, yes that is what he is there for. Is it his fault for not being able to win,no the deck was stacked against him.

Ice that is one player out of hundreds who knew the deal,and in consideration of that someone should be looking into point dumping on his behalf if he had that knowledge and still played a game he knew he was going to lose.
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby Gen.LeeGettinhed on Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:55 am

jgordon1111 wrote:
". . .but he also said "doesn't everyone want a shot?"
". . .Then couple that with the fact glg qouted one of them,saying everyone deserves a shot. . ."


I think these guys (codeblue, eddie, gordo) went to the same school of "alter the quote". King Engineer said "WANT a shot", Gordo says "deserves a shot". Two TOTALLY different words and meanings. Claiming they are the same IS malicious, and these are the types of things KA ought to deal with.

FINALLY, KA didn't PUNISH anyone. Remember he WARNED someone for violating a NEW interpretation. So again, spreading rumors of GLG being punished, when GLG was NOT. . is more malicious rumor mongering -- which KA and DCR should stop. . .immediately.

So then when I live within the LIMITS of that interpretation. . . .AND specifically avoid "Cook-Privates" as he TOLD ME IN PM, somehow I'm in violation? And am told to not create. . .and I join THEIR games, I'm in violation? Please. . .
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby GoranZ on Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:09 am

Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:AND specifically avoid "Cook-Privates" as he TOLD ME IN PM, somehow I'm in violation? And am told to not create. . .and I join THEIR games, I'm in violation? Please. . .


YES you are violating the previous ruling... you participate in the same type of games (I will leave to appropriate admins to determine is if the person creating them is relevant to the case or not) and they were created according to YOUR NEEDS not theirs.
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby jgordon1111 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:11 am

Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:
jgordon1111 wrote:
". . .but he also said "doesn't everyone want a shot?"
". . .Then couple that with the fact glg qouted one of them,saying everyone deserves a shot. . ."


I think these guys went to the same school of "alter the quote". King Engineer said "WANT a shot", Gordo says "deserves a shot". Two TOTALLY different words and meanings. Claiming they are the same IS malicious, and these are the types of things KA ought to deal with.

FINALLY, KA didn't PUNISH anyone. Remember he WARNED someone for violating a NEW interpretation. So again, spreading rumors of GLG being punished, when GLG was NOT. . is more malicious rumor mongering -- which KA and DCR should stop. . .immediately.

So then when I live within the LIMITS of that interpretation. . . .AND specifically avoid "Cook-Privates" as he TOLD ME IN PM, somehow I'm in violation? And am told to not create. . .and I join THEIR games, I'm in violation? Please. . .


You are correct I stated it wrong on the second part Want is the correct word I should have used. I never claimed they were the same glg,your up against the wall here and using a misdirection tactic to try and take the light off of yourself. Dont its rather demeaning to do so.

I admit I used the wrong word,dont try and make it more than it was.

So the correction everyone wants a shot but you only give it to hand picked players on hand picked settings,never accepting a challenge from anyone who actually has a real chance of beating you. Thats ranching glg.

We all better now that we got that mis wording corrected.
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby KraphtOne on Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:51 am

These people are not noobs...
Just dumb to play under these settings...
But, if glg asked YOU to play under these settings you probably would... Hopin to take down the conquerer...
I dunno, it's still cheap tactics but to me it's not really something that should be against the rules...
Everyone knows why he's conquerer... What ya seem to forget is that almost every single conquerer pretty much did the exact same thing...
To me he should have to play certain ranks If he's conquerer, the conquerer should have certain requirements in order to have that little title... But, what are ya gonna do...
They all "ranched", but maybe someone taking it to the extreme will stir things up who knows
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby Chariot of Fire on Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:53 am

Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:
FINALLY, KA didn't PUNISH anyone. Remember he WARNED someone for violating a NEW interpretation. So again, spreading rumors of GLG being punished, when GLG was NOT. . is more malicious rumor mongering -- which KA and DCR should stop. . .immediately.



lol, talking about himself in the 3rd person now. Reminds of this classic...

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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby IcePack on Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:01 am

Just to be very clear (since I've been asked and its come up outside of here).

I don't play this way. I would not ever play this way. Do I think its a dirty tactic? Sure. Do i think its an honorable way to win? No.
Do I think the rule should be changed so that this could be punished in the future? Yes.

Do I think the previous ruling and current rules in place covers this? No. Do I think CC should retroactively punish without it being clearly stated what can or can't be done? No. Do I think they should get rid of the damn grey area so its crystal clear? Absolutely.

1) Find the abuse
2) Change the rule
3) Then punish

I understand you all feel that the previous case was #2. Thats the only area we disagree. I dont think it covered this instance.
I also feel that the players joining these games should be held responsible for the actions and games that they joined. No one was "inexperienced" enough to not know what they were getting into.

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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby karel on Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:11 am

cant believe this stupid thread is not locked yet,so lame...i have to agree what ice pack has been saying...people can always decline a game.

Once again sounds like another witch hunt
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby jgordon1111 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:46 pm

It breaks down to this the rules were changed,glg was warned. The letter of the rule isn't broken,the spirit of it has been again.

A)GLG used to invite noobs and players onto a map via chat,on a map they didnt know using settings they were not familiar with in prvt games.

here is where it gets different,this may get tricky for some so read closely

B) Now GLG via chat has players (invite)him to these same style of games with the same settings of his choice in prvt games.


Now I know this has gone round and round,It is what It is. You specifically go and talk to people to get them to set up the games you are no longer allowed to,and will not play anyone else but those specific players and settings (i.e,)prvt games,so no outside interference happens,that is you trying to circumvent the rule you have been expressly forbidden to break again.

Thats ranching no matter how you want to twist and turn it.

And picking a small piece of an entire post (using the wrong word) and calling it malicious to try and deflect attention away from one's wrongdoing is well, You know what it is GLG.

If you think I am wrong in what I am saying, Bring some real stuff to the board here,not that I used the wrong word once.

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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby Nicky15 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:58 pm

It's amusing how GLG doesn't actually answer any questions. I don't think this is a witch hunt at all. Just a ever increasing pool of members who find GLG's tactics distasteful, and abusive. So GLG hangs around like a shark in live chat. A friendly CC member pops in, probably hoping to make some contacts/friends on the site. Pick up a friendly game, gets worked over by the strategy. Step one, map rank the player, freestyle exp and map exp. Step 2, post a comment on their wall, saying what a good game they had just played, appearing to be friendly etc (exactly what the player went to live chat for). Step 3, move into private chat so that others cannot warn them what is about to happen to them. Get them to set up the game. Step 4, easy points, moves on to the next victim.

Its this that is distasteful, whether it is against the rules as such, is another matter

Its true many people play their favorite map over and over to gain points. I think this practice is fine, as they put their games up to the public, and take their chances on their opponents. Also looking for easy games is fine, as these games are open to everyone.

Back to actual evidence and not the general GLG bashing going on, although I can see why everyone is upset.

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Basically, in these 1 vs 1 games, the opponent does not have an idea of how to play the map or how to engage in the settings of the game that was made. It's like you constructed a way to make a player become like a "new recruit", because you made a game that he will play for the first time in which you have played countless times already. Regularly doing this to different (unsuspecting) players is a systematic way of ranching points for yourself. These games exhibits a pattern of how someone can methodically target specific ranks or players that have no idea on how to play the map for the purpose of ranching. It's not fair to regularly do this. We will classify this as a gross abuse of the game.

Since we have always seen him as someone who just prefers to play against low ranked players in the past, re-checking his private games with certain settings has shed some light that this practice is more malicious than it seems. This does not mean that no one is allowed anymore to invite low ranks or unfamiliar players to private games. You can play any ranks publicly or privately but make sure that this practice is not done in extreme numbers to the point that you are already doing this regularly, seeking out specific ranks or players in order to ranch some points.


I think what he is going still falls into this category whether he actually made the game or not, he is still telling the player exactly what to set up. However can it be said that he is doing it in extreme numbers.

The latest batch (only 6 games). And looking at whether these players really knew what they were getting into

Game 11329358 hs701cb, does not know the map, but has played plenty of 1v1 freestyle, so should setting up the game meant he went 2nd . Would not have known the map however and that 1st turn wins. Abuse ? 0 forum posts, Questionable.

Game 11321463 Sotan, quite new to the site, only 1 disastrous 1v1 freestyle game, with a trench setting, so would not be aware that 1st turn mattered, and that if he set up the game, he gave away the right to go 1st, never played the map. Abuse, yes.

Game 11315169 jpov06, 67 freestyle games, but only 1 previous 1v1, would he be aware that giving away 1st turned mattered ? never played the map before. Abuse ? questionable.

Game 11308468 Robert E Lee772, 3 previous freestyle 1v1s, should be enough to know what he doing, and the fact that he is giving away 1st turn. Never played the map, but i would say this player had enough XP to go into it with his eyes open. Abuse No.

Game 11307768JackMaxim, had never played the map or setting before, would be totally unaware of the ramifications of what he was being asked to do. Abuse yes.

Game 11216517 King Engineer, plenty of 1v1 freestyle games, had even played the map twice !, Abuse no.

So out of those 6 games, there is only 2 players that you can say without doubt would have had no idea what they were getting themselves into. It is frustrating that he has found another loophole. But is this Gross abuse on a large scale, I would say no.
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby rhp 1 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:11 pm

I wouldn't answer to this either.. it would give it credibility...
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby King Engineer on Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:33 pm

Yup, I had played Mogul City twice before I played with Gen.LeeGettinHed.

And City Mogul is one of the maps I am going to 'Specialize', so I'll be playing a LOT more of it soon (currently working on different maps at the moment). So It was great for me to get to play against a master in that map, risking only 4-6 points.
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby eddie2 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:41 pm

Nicky15 wrote:
So out of those 6 games, there is only 2 players that you can say without doubt would have had no idea what they were getting themselves into. It is frustrating that he has found another loophole. But is this Gross abuse on a large scale, I would say no.


nicky i would ? this part of what you said. go to glgs game page look at the last lad before the 6 games then you will see he has not played any games apart from 6 clan war games. he has studied what king achilles said to him and tried to use a loophole of not inviting people to the games, the warning before was not just new players there was also players on site for some time... fact is what he used to do.

search out players who don't know understand said map and settings, semi befriend them making positive comments about there games. invite them to a private chat in live chat, create a game and invite them talking them into playing.

now what he is doing.
search out players who don't know understand said map and settings, semi befriend them making positive comments about there games. invite them to a private chat in live chat, talk them into creating the same game and inviting him....

is this on a large scale yet no it is not he has been caught doing it before he could get to the kind of figures as before, there have been extra names in this thread for what was going to be his next victims...

but when you class that he has not played any real non clan games since his warning, what he has done is just continue to ranch players like beforeand there has not been any form of change just a break from doing it.
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby rhp 1 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:48 pm

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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby codeblue1018 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:15 pm

I would like to see the PM that GLG sent to those players, which coincidently brought them to this particular thread in C/A; not only soliciting games but soliciting positive comments from your new found friends mate? :lol: :lol:

This gets better daily.
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:26 pm

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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby Gen.LeeGettinhed on Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:29 pm

karel wrote:cant believe this stupid thread is not locked yet,so lame...i have to agree what ice pack has been saying...people can always decline a game. Once again sounds like another witch hunt


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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby jltile1 on Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:48 pm

Simple as this if you telling someone the map and setting to make you are there setting up the game right?

Now why if you want to play a game with those setting would you not just create it and put it up as a waiting speed game?

Unless you want a certain player to play your game right?
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby sdh on Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:53 pm

Another case on this guy. Honestly don't why you guys waste your time, he is untouchable.
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby Gen.LeeGettinhed on Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:00 pm

Phatscotty wrote:F city Mogul


Phats, to misquote Saturday Night Fever: "you don't F City Mogul, City Mogul F's you" - by John Travolta's boss at the paint store
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Re: Gen.LeeGettinhed [Pending] DCR

Postby Gen.LeeGettinhed on Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:19 pm

KA ruling in last C&A: "As this is Gen.LeeGettinhed's first major infraction, he is officially warned to stop setting up private games to lure unsuspecting players from now on."

1)I stopped SETTING UP PRIVATE GAMES -- check them out, THEY set up the games, after discussing. I am joining.
2) I'm not LURING any UNSUSPECTING people. They can not set up, negotiate map/settings, run. . .and ALL are higher ranked than before

Simple as that. anything else is reading into it or extrapolating a very specific ruling.

Then, if you wanna go further,
-check my post about 4 items earlier in this thread
-I'm not LURING anyone. I greet them, discuss a game, and we play -- or not.
-unsuspecting players? come on. . .I still don't agree that cadets-privates are "unsuspecting"
-HAVE moved away from LOW ranked "cooks, cadets, privates" to " corporals, sergeants, lieutenants, captains" which are NOT low ranked
-I didn't even go back in time and set them up before his Warning -- and I have a Time Travel machine at my disposal

I'd be refreshing to debate this with logical people and not rehash people's "I wish the warning was about (some other)". MAYBE I could loan some supporters who sound MUCH more logical -- or I could argue on the side of the opposers. Either would help.
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