Gen.LeeGettinhed [Banned] DCR

[jgordon1111]

alpine87 - no city mogul game vs GLG
comeonbret14jb - no city mogul game vs GLG

Why are they even being mentioned? Cuz he asked them to go into live chat but didn't get them in a game?

Let's assume he did get them in a game....
alpine87 - nearly 1500 games completed...58% wins...onsite six years....should know better or going after points
comeonbret14jb - 725+ games completed and 38% wins...onsite 5 years...should know better or going after points.

Its not that hard to see these guys SHOULD KNOW BETTER and aren't getting "farmed" or "ranched" or "cowed" or any other sort of agricultural nickname that doesn't apply here.

icePack

But he didnt get them in a game because they knew better probably

[IcePack]

alpine87 - no city mogul game vs GLG
comeonbret14jb - no city mogul game vs GLG

Why are they even being mentioned? Cuz he asked them to go into live chat but didn't get them in a game?

Let's assume he did get them in a game....
alpine87 - nearly 1500 games completed...58% wins...onsite six years....should know better or going after points
comeonbret14jb - 725+ games completed and 38% wins...onsite 5 years...should know better or going after points.

Its not that hard to see these guys SHOULD KNOW BETTER and aren't getting "farmed" or "ranched" or "cowed" or any other sort of agricultural nickname that doesn't apply here.

icePack

But he didnt get them in a game because they knew better probably

Exactly the point. They did know better...just like the others SHOULD have.

[rhp 1]

You are still talking inexperienced players who have never played the map before into games they have no chance of winning,

2012-07-02 01:18:08 - Sotan: I am not familiar with this terrain I will appreciate if you have patience to figure out
2012-07-02 01:18:25 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: sure, I can explain it after, oK?
2012-07-02 01:18:35 - Gen.LeeGettinhed: thank you for setting up
2012-07-02 01:18:38 - Sotan: ok

This guy doesn't seem very pleased.

Why explain after if you are supposedly "helping" these players, why not give them a fighting a chance and give them pointers before, if you are not merely playing them to collect easy points.
You may have picked higher ranks, but none of them are really experienced are they, and all noobs at your choice of map. You just seem to find anyway you can to exploit the system. Everyone's "problem" is we want a fair and level playing field, where the conqueror makes it to the top by actually being the best at the game, not just the person who can find the most loopholes to wriggle through. It's quite sad really, as I hear that behind all this you are an exceptional player. So I have no idea why you go to such lengths to ranch a few measly points. Perhaps you are being intentionally annoying, like the attention ? I don't know.

This is my opinion as a player not a mod, I have paid my money like everyone else, and am entitled to my opinion.

hahaha.. YOU give players "pointers" before a game? absurd

[rhp 1]

I'm sorry, but if they are experienced CC players and not of low rank (IE Sarg + with plenty of games under ther belt, even if none are city mogul) then I hold the PLAYER responsible to know what he's getting into.

If I seek out inexperienced players on my best maps and they are all Sarg+ just cuz they haven't played the map they know they can say no. They know they can look into his background, or choose a diff map. If he refuses another map then it's up to THEM to refuse his IF THEY DON'T WANT TO PLAY A NEW MAP THEY DON'T KNOW.

It's pretty damn simple. Don't play games u don't know, or play them and risk losing points. If you join a game vs a cook on classic and don't look him up, and find out he's 100% on classic and 0% on every other map and that's why he's a cool it's ur own damn fault when u lose points.

Again im not going to get into RL comparisons, they rare reflect the actual reality of what's being discussed.

It is not against written rules to peruse players who are of rank and have CC experience but not on a specific map. just cuz he picks his opponents and finds inexperienced players on a specific map, doesn't make it against te rules.

As I said previously, in clan wars you look for areas the other clan is weak on or inexperienced. Should all those games get punished as well? You are seeking our their weak points. These are not new players. They aren't low ranked. He's following the written rule so unless we are going to keep inventing new rules....While it may not be the most ethical or the most widely accepted method of finding and playing games and one that I don't personally use, I don't think it's punishable.

IcePack

+1

[rhp 1]

Do we have to strt map ranking our opponents everytime we want to join a game to make sure they are competent and experienced on our favorite maps?

Not at all. If you play a wide variety of maps, settings, scenarios, and players, then it's understood that some of the time you will catch someone in a situation where they have no clue, just as other times it will happen to you. It all balances out.

It only becomes abuse of the system when you focus exclusively on the first situation, and refuse to join any games that are not guaranteed wins. If GLG played fair and sometimes accepted challenges from people who have at least a chance of beating him, these complaints would not be made.

(edit: added "not" in the last line. Was intended from the beginning.)

so now people can't play the maps they want? And you want to dictate that players have to play different maps/settings in order to abide by what you think is fair? If someone wants to play the same map/settings, and they aren't breaking any written rules, who are you to say they should use the site in a different way?


sorry for the fast posts... got here late... lot to take in..

[Chariot of Fire]

. . . Chariot of Fire already surveyed many of the players who were invited to the City Mogul games, and for the most part, he found plenty of players who were unhappy with both the way the games were set up and the overall experience. . . GLG is a great player . . .shouldn't mean that other players get hustled for their lunch money.

1) The "survey" was biased, hugely negative and from what I remember only 11 players out of 1600 opponents replied negatively. None of the non-negative respondents info was published. 11 of 12 or 11 of 20 is PLENTY, 11 of 1600 is far from PLENTY.

2) 11 people AGREEING to a negative inquisition sure sounds immaterial. In a prior Thread I posted TWENTY (20) RECENT favorable responses (out of 21) THANKING me and appreciating the games. Why was THAT ignored?

3) "hustled for lunch money":
A-I don't think too many opponents missed a meal
B-taking lunch money implies leaving them penniless for lunch. 5-7 pts out of 900-1500 is far from MOST of their "lunch money"

Thank you for spreading the rumor that GLG is a great player.

You've already had it explained to you more than once that the PM went out to less than 100 people, not 1600 as you often refer to (that just happens to be the number of games you've played at that setting). So of the approx 80 recipients 12 replied. Of that 12 there were 11 who felt cheated/abused. Get your facts straight.

[IcePack]

So approx 15% of his opponents didn't like the game and had regrets they choose to risk some points.
I think most people could say the same on 1 vs 1, that they didnt like the game or felt cheated if they found out after they were dumb and didn't look into it like their overall experience time spent here and knowledge should tell them....

[Chariot of Fire]

Where do you get 15% from? Of 12 replies 11 were negative (that's over 90%). The 68 other recipients had possibly already left the site. Anyway, this is irrelevant and was pertinent to the former allegation levelled against GLG. I was merely correcting his statement that 11 negative replies came from 1600 recipients.

The issue here is whether he has now adopted a new method of ranching - a practice the admin wished to try and stop by issuing GLG with a warning - and whether it is in keeping with the spirit of fair play and does not detract from others' enjoyment of the site.

[eddie2]

Let's go over each of these...

Game number(s):
11329358 (a corporal) 570+ games completed who's been on the site over a year. Should know better or was going after points. Been onsite for a year now.
befriended by glg wall posts invited to live chat where game was created
11321463 (a sergeant) 390 games completed with 48% win rate. Should know better or was going after points.
befriended by glg wall posts invited to live chat where game was created
11315169 (a corporal) 200 games completed 43% win rate. See above. BEEN HERE SIX YEARS
befriended by glg wall posts invited to live chat where game was created
11304468 (a captain) wrong game number no captain and GLG is not in this game
befriended by glg wall posts invited to live chat where game was created
11307768 (a lieutenant) 285+ games completed 58% win rate. Should know better or going after points. Been here almost a year.
befriended by glg wall posts invited to live chat where game was created
11216517 (king engineer a captain) 375+ games completed 52% win rate. Should know better or going after points. Uses the forums. Been here 6+ months.
befriended by glg wall posts invited to live chat where game was created

These are all players who should know better. Sorry, these are weak ?'s or "new"/"inexperienced" players by any stretch of the imagination. They all should know the settings and should be able to verbalize the word "no" if they didn't want to play.

IcePack

Your right of course just went off in a different tangent for a moment,its the points thing I believe

ice pack if you mwere involved in the case that actually brought what glg down the first time then you would understand.
he starts by making plus comments about games they are in (this prooves he farms/rances out players not able to play his map his settings.)

he then invites them 2 live chat offering them a game (but will not accept any change of settings or map. and if the person is not willing he drops the chat and does not wall them again.)
if they accept the game he then does not give them advice on the map like promised and stops contacting them..

out of all the responses cof got in regards to glg most of them stated they were honoured one of the top ranks of the site would challenge them and only accepted because of what rank he was. then felt betrayed afterwards when they find out he does this to loads of players.
like many say this map is player who goes first wins.; or you could say player who goes 2nd wins if player one has no clue about the map... same as speed games give you no time to read the map and try get some form of clue about it before your first move.

[eddie2]

alpine87 - no city mogul game vs GLG
comeonbret14jb - no city mogul game vs GLG

Why are they even being mentioned? Cuz he asked them to go into live chat but didn't get them in a game?

Let's assume he did get them in a game....
alpine87 - nearly 1500 games completed...58% wins...onsite six years....should know better or going after points
comeonbret14jb - 725+ games completed and 38% wins...onsite 5 years...should know better or going after points.

Its not that hard to see these guys SHOULD KNOW BETTER and aren't getting "farmed" or "ranched" or "cowed" or any other sort of agricultural nickname that doesn't apply here.

icePack

But he didnt get them in a game because they knew better probably

Exactly the point. They did know better...just like the others SHOULD have.

these have been brought up because these 2 are his next victims because of how he does it. players who have witnessed what he done now this to be his style to get unknowing players into a map they have no experiance on or no chance to win. and like someone has said especially because he is now talking them into creating them where he goes first

[Jdsizzleslice]

Blah blah blah... Gen.LeeGettinhed (Because you don't have enough respect to be called GLG) is probably laughing at all of you who are posting up to 4 pages arguing.

However, the one thing always is the same, he tries to beat around the bush... He honestly knows he is doing wrong. He just doesn't want to admit it.[MOD EDIT]

[IcePack]

Eddie I watched the last case.

Again...this is a huge difference between the two. These guys have PLENTY of games under their belt. They should know enough to say no to any game they do not want to participate in. I dont care whether he became their best friend, chatted with them a second, or became their god father. They are able to say no regardless of how he approaches them.

11304468 (a captain) wrong game number no captain and GLG is not in this game
befriended by glg wall posts invited to live chat where game was created

Please think about your replies before you copy and paste every single one the same thing. He's not even in the quoted game for the report.

CoF - fair enough about the 15%. 15% was 11 or 12 out of 80 you said were sent out. But i agree, previous case doesn't matter these details.

"New method of ranching" is getting awefully close to "playing the games you are good at vs people who are good enough to know better".

IcePack

[eddie2]

lol i had 1 or 2 drinks icepack just thought i would copy paste the same thing through your post because thats what he does.

but the fact is he was warned for his game play he has been online in live chat has not played any form of 1 v 1 (only playing clan team games.)game has found a new way to continue what he was doing so what about what rank they were the map cannot be won by players who don't know it especially with the settings he picks.
he was warned not to create games and invite him.. So he is now inviting them to live chat and getting them to create the games. to players who do not understand the map. which he was warned to stop doing which he still is doing because they do not approach him for a game he goes to them for it.

[IcePack]

lol i had 1 or 2 drinks icepack just thought i would copy paste the same thing through your post because thats what he does.

but the fact is he was warned for his game play he has been online in live chat has not played any form of 1 v 1 (only playing clan team games.)game has found a new way to continue what he was doing so what about what rank they were the map cannot be won by players who don't know it especially with the settings he picks.
he was warned not to create games and invite him.. So he is now inviting them to live chat and getting them to create the games. to players who do not understand the map. which he was warned to stop doing which he still is doing because they do not approach him for a game he goes to them for it.

"so what about what rank they were"? Really eddie? I have a terrible City Mogul rank, only played it a few times, never on his settings. Should he be able to play me or is that ranching to? Its a joke! I have 3k+ games and when I was starting out I would have never joined one of the games he offers.

Yes, I went to live chat back then and yes I still would have said no. Shocking. People have a choice whether or not to join in a game with him with specific settings and maps they don't know.

Rank doesn't matter much (other than can't be that low cuz of the previous reports) but game experience does matter...years matters...some of these he's "ranching" have 5-6 years of game experience! If they don't know it by now they better find a new hobby...if they can't choose games correctly that their fault again, not his.

IcePack

[eddie2]

I have a terrible City Mogul rank, only played it a few times, never on his settings. Should he be able to play me or is that ranching to? Its a joke! I have 3k+ games and when I was starting out I would have never joined one of the games he offers.

IcePack

thats the point ice pack he wont play you because you have played it and even though your rank is bad for that map you have experiance.i will bet you the first time you played it via a experianced player you lost in about 4 5 rounds.

[IcePack]

I have a terrible City Mogul rank, only played it a few times, never on his settings. Should he be able to play me or is that ranching to? Its a joke! I have 3k+ games and when I was starting out I would have never joined one of the games he offers.

IcePack

thats the point ice pack he wont play you because you have played it and even though your rank is bad for that map you have experiance.i will bet you the first time you played it via a experianced player you lost in about 4 5 rounds.

No the point is anyone with half a brain would look into his background before accepting a game (or creating it themselves!!!) for a map that they don't know...and then IF they choose to a) not do research or b) make the game anyway...............




Wait for it....






They deserve to lose.

[DiM]

glg is has obviously found another method of getting easy points. is it legal? is it moral? should he be punished? to be honest i don't know and i don't care.
all i know is that the scoring system is flawed and something should be done about it.
frankly i kinda hope glg is soon followed by several other people and they find even more methods of getting even more points. maybe when the first page of the scoreboard will be filled with ranchers/farmers/exploiters/abusers or whatever you want to call them, somebody will finally realise something needs to be done about the scoring system. or at least about the scoreboard.

[Crazyirishman]

I I pretty much agree with everything that icepack has said on this one, anyone with that much experience should know that they are being used to be manipulated and weigh that against the fact on whether they can win on their first try on a map. I know I brought this up before, but this same tactic has been used by other players before and there wasn't a mass influx of C&A reports about them, this is almost getting to the vendetta point. I received this pm about a year ago from a player using this tactic:

Hello, I am looking for someone good to play a couple of 1 vs. 1 games with to have some fun. Am looking for higher rank people such as yourself because when I lose to a 1 stripper or so, I lose about 80 points. Anyways, you'll get about 40 to 50 points per win, and lose only about 10 per loss. The games are auto, sequential, chained foggy, and no spoils, so let me know if you are interested and I will invite you to a few games on different maps.

This roughly translates to "I think I can get more points by challenging people that know the game but are unfamiliar with the maps I'm using. If you decide to take this gamble you can get a decent amount of points from a 1v1 game, and you have little to lose." I accepted this challenge and lost, but nobody was typing up paragraphs about abuse because the common view is that I, at roughly 2000 points and 1000+ games, should know what I was getting into.

Is GLG manipulating the system for maximum efficiency? yes, but it isn't cheating or abuse. Having ethics in an Internet game is a fucking joke, as no body is ultimately hurt by GLG's actions, sure the e-genitalia may hurt a bit. They might not agree with what other people do for their casual enjoyment, but just because your fun is different that somebody else's doesnt mean you get to decide what is ethical, its just a game.

I'm trying to keep analogies out of this, but in other online games like xbox live for example, people will spawn kill or do certain things to boost/inflate their rank but nobody comes along beating the drum calling for them to be removed/ punished for it.

on a side note the survey thing should be ignored because anyone whose taken a couple of stats classes knows that the people most likely to respond to a survey are the ones with strong negative opinions.

[JoeyStraw]

So im new to this site and I deiceded to randomly browse the forums and one thing i noticed thats different in this site than other game sites ive been on is that all games are ranked, there are no unranked games. Why dont you just mandate the game be unranked if the point/game difference is large? I would think that after 100 games someone could be held responsible for themselves but before hand you could make classes of players based on experience (games/wins or soemthing) and only allows points to transfer between players of the same class?

[jgordon1111]

@ CoF and Eddie,both of you know I fought against glg in the previous case.

But think about this one carefully,these players are experienced on CC,not like the others.

Yes he is targeting them due to the fact they dont know the map,From that point on anyone who decideds to join a game against any other player on this site and not know the map loses at their own risk.

What you are asking to be done to glg here can set a precedent no one in their right mind wants to see come about. If this happens any player who sets up a game and wins can have a C&A report filed against them.

Every single one of us has a particular map we are most comfortable on.

And as far as I can see he plays FS,so the him going first advantage is eliminated by that if you know how to play FS.

So again if they dont know the map and settings the loss is their fault,these are not noob players.

Let glg keep playing his games eventually every player will realize who he is and what he does,then he will fall from that top spot. Its a matter of time,and time will catch up to him. Or players will learn to play more maps and FS.

[eddie2]

jgordon look at the cicumstances behind this 1.

yes he targeting some higher ranks. but these ranks dont use the forums that much.. and the way he is doing it is the same way as before... Apart from the fact he is actually making sure he gets first shot. the way he is doing this is by making them create the game. also if you looked at the wall posts only 1 in every couple accept. but when you look back at it the games he has not played any apart clan wars since the bust. and then only playing these games.

so yes i accept he is targeting some longer timers on the site and 1 or 2 higher ranks but he is doing the same thing he was warned for let me quote from king a.

as it was stated there that he was/is "point harvesting" through private games:

Although the pm's mentioned here could have been suggested/influenced or filtered to produce a certain view of the case, it is still undeniable that the past report above indicated that private games are being set up to unsuspecting players numerous times. This shows that Gen.LeeGettinhed is systematically soliciting/inviting certain players for the purpose of ranching.

Basically, in these 1 vs 1 games, the opponent does not have an idea of how to play the map or how to engage in the settings of the game that was made. It's like you constructed a way to make a player become like a "new recruit", because you made a game that he will play for the first time in which you have played countless times already. Regularly doing this to different (unsuspecting) players is a systematic way of ranching points for yourself.

These games exhibits a pattern of how someone can methodically target specific ranks or players that have no idea on how to play the map for the purpose of ranching. It's not fair to regularly do this. We will classify this as a gross abuse of the game.

Since we have always seen him as someone who just prefers to play against low ranked players in the past, re-checking his private games with certain settings has shed some light that this practice is more malicious than it seems. This does not mean that no one is allowed anymore to invite low ranks or unfamiliar players to private games. You can play any ranks publicly or privately but make sure that this practice is not done in extreme numbers to the point that you are already doing this regularly, seeking out specific ranks or players in order to ranch some points.

i broke this down into sections you show me where king a said it was because it was via low ranks.. the punishment was because of the way he done it which he has started to do again. this is what the problem is it is the way he does it not who he does it against. the fact remains these players are ususpecting . the only difference is he is talking them via wall chats and luering them into live chat to hook them.

[codeblue1018]

Icepack,

You keep referring to the fact that "experienced" players should know better; this is not the case. GLG is doing in a modified form what he was warned not to do and that is abusing the invite system and taking advantage of players who don't have a clue. Is there a difference between a player who has played 500 games or a player who has played 10 total games when both haven't played the mogul map ever? No, there isn't. The fact is they are and were totally clueless on that map and settings; do you find it odd in any fashion that all these players have never played mogul? Do you not get it? These players were solicited and taken advantage of, period! Should they have known better, perhaps but that IMO is irrelevant.

This will be my last post on this matter as the mods will investigate this, which is crystal clear and hand down yet another infraction. Secondly, this [player / MOD EDIT] thrives on this type of drama and I refuse to be responsible for his multiple "rises" throughout the day. I am confident this issue will be addressed properly.

[IcePack]

Icepack,

You keep referring to the fact that "experienced" players should know better; this is not the case. GLG is doing in a modified form what he was warned not to do and that is abusing the invite system and taking advantage of players who don't have a clue. Is there a difference between a player who has played 500 games or a player who has played 10 total games when both haven't played the mogul map ever? No, there isn't. The fact is they are and were totally clueless on that map and settings; do you find it odd in any fashion that all these players have never played mogul? Do you not get it? These players were solicited and taken advantage of, period! Should they have known better, perhaps but that IMO is irrelevant.

This will be my last post on this matter as the mods will investigate this, which is crystal clear and hand down yet another infraction. Secondly, this child thrives on this type of drama and I refuse to be responsible for his multiple "rises" throughout the day. I am confident this issue will be addressed properly.

Actually there is a difference. One doesn't know any better, and the other should but still joined anyway. Being clueless on a map and settings shouldn't be criteria for being able to post a C&A vs someone.
Its not irrelevant as you indicate. Thats a very important fact.

[codeblue1018]

Icepack,

You keep referring to the fact that "experienced" players should know better; this is not the case. GLG is doing in a modified form what he was warned not to do and that is abusing the invite system and taking advantage of players who don't have a clue. Is there a difference between a player who has played 500 games or a player who has played 10 total games when both haven't played the mogul map ever? No, there isn't. The fact is they are and were totally clueless on that map and settings; do you find it odd in any fashion that all these players have never played mogul? Do you not get it? These players were solicited and taken advantage of, period! Should they have known better, perhaps but that IMO is irrelevant.

This will be my last post on this matter as the mods will investigate this, which is crystal clear and hand down yet another infraction. Secondly, this child thrives on this type of drama and I refuse to be responsible for his multiple "rises" throughout the day. I am confident this issue will be addressed properly.

Actually there is a difference. One doesn't know any better, and the other should but still joined anyway. Being clueless on a map and settings shouldn't be criteria for being able to post a C&A vs someone.
Its not irrelevant as you indicate. Thats a very important fact.

I see that you just don't get it mate. Think outside the box for a minute. Is there any similarities outside of "experience" that you see between last case and this case ? If you find any similarities then refer to King A's ruling on the last case, which Eddie broke down and see if that applies to this case in any fashion. If so, ask yourself one thing; should you still stick up for GLG who is clearly doing the opposite of what King A instructed him to do. I don't give a shit what GLG does on this site aside from taking advantage of others; I find it hard to comprehend what part of this case that you don't understand. I appreciate your passion for standing up for something you believe in but mate, it's wrong and he was warned previously for it. I never said it was exactly as the other case; it's different yet the same concept; hence, he THOUGHT he found a new, legalized form of his apparent addiction.

[eddie2]

icepack look at the examples again mate.

then click on each players name scroll down then look at forum posts. these guys do not use the forums so will not be aware of previous cases via the accused. so his is picking people who will not know about what he does.

out of the 5 examples.
3 have no forum posts.
1 has 1 forum post
and 1 has about 10.