MLP: Friendship is MAFIA! ENDGAME: DISCORD & PINKIE WIN!

[dazza2008]

I also dont like the fact that there is a cult, but I will restrain my vote until dazza speaks.

There is not a cult. There is someone accusing me of being a cult leader but he is paranoid and wrong or he is the scumbag we are looking for. I think he is scum.

Vote pmc

Yeah, but isn't that exactly what a Cult group would say?

And yes, I find it hard to believe the claim of Beloved Princess. And holy tits Haggis needs to put in some input.

I agree with all of this. I understand why people would be suspicious of me but we are getting killed off fast here we need to find a killer today.

I don't see any way of me proving I am town because I have showed everything that I can do. I don't trust pmc and crazy asking for 1 night is making me very suspicious of him.

[pmchugh]

I also dont like the fact that there is a cult, but I will restrain my vote until dazza speaks.

There is not a cult. There is someone accusing me of being a cult leader but he is paranoid and wrong or he is the scumbag we are looking for. I think he is scum.

Vote pmc

Yeah, but isn't that exactly what a Cult group would say?

And yes, I find it hard to believe the claim of Beloved Princess. And holy tits Haggis needs to put in some input.

I agree with all of this. I understand why people would be suspicious of me but we are getting killed off fast here we need to find a killer today.

I don't see any way of me proving I am town because I have showed everything that I can do. I don't trust pmc and crazy asking for 1 night is making me very suspicious of him.

I was roleblocked last night.. I couldn't send in a kill. Your vote is just OMGUS cause I don't believe you, but be honest with yourself would you believe a town mason recruiter over a cult? It sounds highly unlikely.

As for my claim what can I say? This is probably gonna work against me because this is a fircoal game but my role is well suited to my character. Its name is "princess" and in the show its job is to make the sun rise... beloved princess is also one of firs fetish roles like lyncher and SK.

I actually have a theory as to how sheep could still be scum despite night 1. He could be a busdriver. Lets be honest, his claim is nonsense.. protector of a third party group? Yeah I'm sure you are. They tried the old switch and kill, believing that either soundman/medefe was an unlikely target to be killed and it spectacularly backfired when the busdriver got blocked.

[dazza2008]

Good point I forgot about the roleblock. Unvote.

I don't have a fucking clue who to lynch.

[sheepofdumb]

Serves me right for not doing my research, even if it was 2 am when I was posting. It's still really scummy behavior.

Well I'm now certain that the killers are TFO and Nag.

Rainbow dash?

Yes.

OK there are way too many towny-ish claims going about. I think we need full role claims from haggis and TFO, including any faction mates.

I'm not apart of any faction, And I guess you could consider me a Doctor.

But, I have my own winning condition.

He could be a doc with his own win condition... Rainbow Dash a doc? Fluttershy would be the doc. We've seen her patch up her animal friends in the show. Rainbow is the kind of pony that sees doctors after crashing into things. In fact there is a hospitalized Rainbow episode.

That claim doesn't make any sense at all flavorwise.

Ok, I'm Pinkie Pie.

And yes I have a PR to try to post "all excited and pinkie pie like" which is a fuckin' pain in my ass, yay

I think a name claim should be sufficient given that she appears to be one of the main characters, but I can give more info if you guys really want me to.

Yes I would like more info. You're holding something back and I don't like it.

We have a Pinkie/Dash claim that both smell fishy. I strongly believe they are the killers and likely linked in some way. First off there's an episode where Pinkie gets really depressed by her friends ignoring her, then she gets mad. Throughout season 1 all the mane six have some sort of mental breakdown. Pinkie turned into Pinkamena. The best way to explain this is with a picture.



That's the face of insanity right there. Next to the villans Pinkie would be my choice for a killing role.

Now there's an interesting Pinkie/Rainbow dynamic. One of the early episodes Rainbow and Pinkie discover that they both share a love of pranking ponies. The duo then go on a pranking spree the likes of which ponyville has never seen before. In the next season Rainbow dresses like a shadowbolt (the evil version of her beloved arial stuntponies the wonderbolts) for halloween and goes around terrorizing the masses. She also stole a book from a hospital once. I wouldn't say that she's a killer normally I think that between the bits and pieces of her sketchy character, connection to pinkie, and TFO's lame claim, that RD is a fakeclaim or the doc part is.

Unvote Vote Haggis

[sheepofdumb]

Serves me right for not doing my research, even if it was 2 am when I was posting. It's still really scummy behavior.

Well I'm now certain that the killers are TFO and Nag.

Rainbow dash?

Yes.

OK there are way too many towny-ish claims going about. I think we need full role claims from haggis and TFO, including any faction mates.

I'm not apart of any faction, And I guess you could consider me a Doctor.

But, I have my own winning condition.

He could be a doc with his own win condition... Rainbow Dash a doc? Fluttershy would be the doc. We've seen her patch up her animal friends in the show. Rainbow is the kind of pony that sees doctors after crashing into things. In fact there is a hospitalized Rainbow episode.

That claim doesn't make any sense at all flavorwise.

Ok, I'm Pinkie Pie.

And yes I have a PR to try to post "all excited and pinkie pie like" which is a fuckin' pain in my ass, yay

I think a name claim should be sufficient given that she appears to be one of the main characters, but I can give more info if you guys really want me to.

Yes I would like more info. You're holding something back and I don't like it.

We have a Pinkie/Dash claim that both smell fishy. I strongly believe they are the killers and likely linked in some way. First off there's an episode where Pinkie gets really depressed by her friends ignoring her, then she gets mad. Throughout season 1 all the mane six have some sort of mental breakdown. Pinkie turned into Pinkamena. The best way to explain this is with a picture.



That's the face of insanity right there. Next to the villans Pinkie would be my choice for a killing role.

Now there's an interesting Pinkie/Rainbow dynamic. One of the early episodes Rainbow and Pinkie discover that they both share a love of pranking ponies. The duo then go on a pranking spree the likes of which ponyville has never seen before. In the next season Rainbow dresses like a shadowbolt (the evil version of her beloved arial stuntponies the wonderbolts) for halloween and goes around terrorizing the masses. She also stole a book from a hospital once. I wouldn't say that she's a killer normally I think that between the bits and pieces of her sketchy character, connection to pinkie, and TFO's lame claim, that RD is a fakeclaim or the doc part is.

Unvote Vote Haggis

[nagerous]

How did you reach the conclusion that me and TFO are killers sheep? I am the cop

Then you conclude the above have no further input and vote Haggis..

Very odd behaviour.

[nagerous]

Haggis post damnit, I feel a ML brewing.

[pmchugh]

Interesting post sheep. Nag I think he meant to say haggis and TFO not you and TFO.

The thing that kinda disrupts this is the fact dazza claims to have recruited haggis. This would only work if he was a serial killer and not mafia. I still think that sheep is scum and dazza is cult but one of sheeps predictions is probably true TFO or haggis are the second killer and the SK. I sincerely hope that it is haggis, or else we are screwed. (if TFO is a killer its game over) In this case I would be happy to also vote haggis as the results could tell us what to do:

1. He comes up as a blue mason non-killer. Dazza is clear, TFO and pancake are killers one gets blocked two nights running. This will leave us with 2 known killers and 3 townies, game won.

2. He comes up as a blue mason killer. Dazza is clear, either TFO or pancake is the last killer and its pretty easy from there.

3. He comes up as a cultist non-killer. We are kinda fucked, block the killers and hope you get recruited.

4. He comes up as a cultist killer. Block dazza. If I die, the last killer is TFO otherwise we need to decide between pancake and TFO for last killer.

So unless he is a cultist non-killer or nag or / is the last killer then we should actually win.

In summary, HAGGIS YOU NEED TO FULL CLAIM NOW

[sheepofdumb]

How did you reach the conclusion that me and TFO are killers sheep? I am the cop

Then you conclude the above have no further input and vote Haggis..

Very odd behaviour.

Sorry, I'm not going to EBWOP because of the length. That was an error on my part while I was doing research. It never got edited out. I believe your claim as cop.

I think Haggis and TFO are scum because of the reasons stated above. I'm going with Haggis because Pinkie scares me more than RD. There's also the possibility that I'm wrong, it happens in this game. I think it's safer to go with Haggis on the off chance that TFO really is a doc.

My case was stronger against TFO because there's a lot more to say about him. But like my claim in MTG mafia Haggis claimed a name that has an insane side. In that game I had everyone convinced I was the cop but because of my name I was scum and ended up offing myself when it became apparent that I wasn't going to convince anyone otherwise any longer and my scum partners were dead.

Also, pmc, you called me pancake again.

[sheepofdumb]

I think that the game has 2 SK's, the CMC survivor faction set up like scum (note the orange text), town, and mason recruiter.

We don't have a nexus or a bus driver or anything that can mess with where an action is going. I still don't understand why you think I'd have a have the ability to kill but decided to use it on my own team. They would also have to agree to take a bullet. Do you seriously believe my winning strategy is to off my own teammate and try to win with two? I'm dumb but I ain't stupid.

[dazza2008]

I am town and Haggis is town. Remember what my day action is. I will not let Haggis be lynched today. So we need to look elsewhere.

[pmchugh]

I am town and Haggis is town. Remember what my day action is. I will not let Haggis be lynched today. So we need to look elsewhere.

We can just vote him again tho can we not, or vote you?

This game cannot move forward and I cannot do anything until haggis claims, once he does I will be able to provide additional information. I am gonna prod the mods to prod him.

[dazza2008]

I am town and Haggis is town. Remember what my day action is. I will not let Haggis be lynched today. So we need to look elsewhere.

We can just vote him again tho can we not, or vote you?

This game cannot move forward and I cannot do anything until haggis claims, once he does I will be able to provide additional information. I am gonna prod the mods to prod him.

I agree he should claim. He should not be lynched though. He is town.

[shieldgenerator7]

Haggis has been prodded.

[pmchugh]

We don't have a nexus or a bus driver or anything that can mess with where an action is going. I still don't understand why you think I'd have a have the ability to kill but decided to use it on my own team. They would also have to agree to take a bullet. Do you seriously believe my winning strategy is to off my own teammate and try to win with two? I'm dumb but I ain't stupid.

Like I said I think you lied about your role. You are a busdriver but got blocked, meaning the kill you intended yo get redirected failed. Also haggis hasn't claimed, how do you know we don't have a nexus or busdriver?

[crazymilkshake5]

For now i shall unvote until Haggis posts, if not. he has my vote in 24 hours.

And if he does flip mafia Dazza will be the next to go, i can almost assure it, the way hes protecting him?

[dazza2008]

For now i shall unvote until Haggis posts, if not. he has my vote in 24 hours.

And if he does flip mafia Dazza will be the next to go, i can almost assure it, the way hes protecting him?

I am protecting him because I know he is town. It does not feel like you are reading the posts here.

[sheepofdumb]

My power comes straight out of the show. Applebloom fixed up the treehouse. I built a treehouse. No buses involved.

[TheForgivenOne]

I never outright claimed Doc. I have my own win condition, yes, but I am not a "Town Doctor". I don't "Heal" Ponies, I never said I did. I said I am basically a town doctor, since ponies aren't being killed, but I have the power to pick 1 person at night, and I stop the kidnapping (If they were to be kidnapped). So in essence, I am a doc.

[pmchugh]

TFO, are you gonna protect me tonight?

[pmchugh]

Actually don't answer. Lets just WIFOM the killers out.

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Two anti town kiling factions + cult, I can't remember, has that happened in a fir game before?

[TheForgivenOne]

Well, if he was the cult, why would Fir give him the power to wipe out the vote? That seems a little overpowered for a cult.

[Haggis_McMutton]

I'm a busdriver. I bussed myself and TFO N1 and zimmah and Nag N2. This means Nag was actually targeted N2.

Observations:
1. Not sure if I believe there's 2 doctors. TFO keeps saying he's not a town doctor, but by his description he is exactly a town doctor (+ he has a separate win condition).

2.

Mk well there goes that idea. I'm getting impatient. Based on the two kills we are getting I can come to no conclusion other than that pancake must have a kill. Otherwise the numbers just seem shallow. Other than that my money would be on milkshake as an SK and I still don't trust dazza, who did you recruit?

I recruited Haggis.

I have not received a message about this, I don't know if it's true. It might be that I only find out next night, or it might be that dazza wants to clear himself by association.

3. HOLY SHIT IS PMC BEING SCUMMY. Kind of surprised no one made a proper case yet.

First of all the obvious, I find PMC's claim very suspicious. claims last, and claims princess.
If he's scum, he has just bought some time at least, if he's SK, it's even better. He just needs to lead a lynch against one scum and he's pretty much home free.

I gave everyone plenty of encouragement to question the lists and say I should go first. Also you answered your own point in this post. I wasn't going to come out and claim, putting a large target on my own back when it was very likely we would catch someone else lying (i presume many mafia). I also thought my role was unfair on town given that we have two kills, although this could explain why we have 2 doctors. TFO please protect me tonight. Perhaps you were right about the fact I should have fake claimed though.

I want to know what win condition was met by /.

Also as you rightly point out I am cleared of last nights killings, and dazza of night 1's killings and unless I am missing something sheep is also cleared of night one killings. This leads me to believe that fir has either given mafia fake claims or there is a hidden faction amongst the towny named players. Well actually I have a better idea than that, if / would answer my question.

Of course, the reason for claiming princess. But he doesn't even have the reassurance that TFO will protect him if he believes his claim, he has to push it
Calling bullshit. This is a major fuck-up and one I don't think you could have done. But this proves to be a common theme so I'll start keeping track, let's call this one Major Oversight #1
Keep in mind this line of reasoning, it proves valuable later

OK So apparently we have:

Some weird third party:
Milkshake- BTW what happens when you win, are you removed from the game? I am still not sure I buy your "one night" thing but I am not sure we have much choice to believe it or not at this stage.

Ordinary townies:
pmc
nag
TFO
/

Cult, I mean Town mason group:
Dazza
Haggis

CMC:
pancake

I don't know if we can actually win now. Our only hope is the roleblocker I think. I reckon pancake is scum in the very least and dazza is probably a cult- I very much doubt a town recruiter. If I am right and we lynch pancake and roleblock dazza then tomorrow we will wake up with: 2 Culties, 1 Killer, 2 Townies. Its likely that mafia/SK will kill TFO and give us only one day remaining. From there we have to lynch dazza and block the killer and on the next day we then lynch the correctly blocked killer. Finally if the game isn't over we lynch haggis on the last day.

Does that all make sense as a plan?

This is just written to make himself look as part of the town group. The plan doesn't actually make much sense. In the presented scenario all the killer/cult would have to do is target the roleblocker rather than the doc and it is game over. This is Major Oversight #2
Also note the scare tactics being used. You really think this game consisted of a 3 person mafia(with roleblocker), a SK, a cult(with weird day powers) and 8 townies a good number of whom have separate win conditions? I don't think so. It's a pretty good rule of thumb that the first person that starts yelling WE'RE IN TROUBLE, WE'RE ALMOST DEAD, LISTEN TO ME OR DIE doesn't exactly have the town's best interest at heart.

Actually that wont work if milkshake wins tomorrow. My head hurts trying to think about this.

Why the hell would that matter? / has already won and he hasn't been removed from the game or anything. Oversight #3

I was roleblocked last night.. I couldn't send in a kill. Your vote is just OMGUS cause I don't believe you, but be honest with yourself would you believe a town mason recruiter over a cult? It sounds highly unlikely.

As for my claim what can I say? This is probably gonna work against me because this is a fircoal game but my role is well suited to my character. Its name is "princess" and in the show its job is to make the sun rise... beloved princess is also one of firs fetish roles like lyncher and SK.

I actually have a theory as to how sheep could still be scum despite night 1. He could be a busdriver. Lets be honest, his claim is nonsense.. protector of a third party group? Yeah I'm sure you are. They tried the old switch and kill, believing that either soundman/medefe was an unlikely target to be killed and it spectacularly backfired when the busdriver got blocked.

So first you describe how the roleblock clears you (which you've also stated before as I pointed out), then you do a 180 and involve a busdriver to incriminate sheep even though that exact same logic could be used to incriminate you ? Oversight #4

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So, what's with the oversights?
Well, either pancake suddenly became a poorer mafia player overnight, or the oversights are caused by him not actually being concerned with hunting scum, but with appearing to hunt scum while also setting himself up as townish as possible as to convince TFO to protect him.

The roleblock does seem to make it less likely that he is a killer BUT:
1. This is a chu game, weird stuff can always be going on (I have my concerns about the apparent ammount of alternate win conditions for one)
2. He could easily be part of some scum faction and just not have sent the kill that night.
3. Above all, as a matter of principle, I think it's important to vote for who is scummiest in his posts, rather than who seems scummiest from conjectures and claimed actions (unless it's something clear cut like a cop result of course).

vote pmc

[pmchugh]

Haggis you are insane to pick me given that I was blocked last night. Two of those oversights do not exist and I will explain why in a second. The claim was a f*ck up but I am not super human and I do make mistakes. It is not even that big of a mistake anyway, fake claiming as town is not something that automatically comes into your head.

First of all the obvious, I find PMC's claim very suspicious. claims last, and claims princess.

I stated prior to the claiming stage that I presumed we would find scum quickly amongst the fake claims. Naturally with my role I wouldn't want to claim early and also no one else even wanted me to claim.. so why would I claim any sooner than last?

If he's scum, he has just bought some time at least, if he's SK, it's even better. He just needs to lead a lynch against one scum and he's pretty much home free.

Lets for a second pretend you are correct.
If I am an SK then this would mean that there are 3 killers in the game (and one of them is certainly pancake). And if I am part of scum then you have a similar problem in having to find another 3 scum (the other killer + presumably two mafia buddies). If I am scum, then almost anyone else you pick will be mafia also. (dazza, you, 4 scum and one other towny). If you by chance happen to be right then pancake is 99% guaranteed scum but the converse is not true. So voting me is straight up illogical.

Of course, the reason for claiming princess. But he doesn't even have the reassurance that TFO will protect him if he believes his claim, he has to push it
Calling bullshit. This is a major f*ck-up and one I don't think you could have done. But this proves to be a common theme so I'll start keeping track, let's call this one Major Oversight #1
Keep in mind this line of reasoning, it proves valuable later

Obviously the sensible thing is to push the doc to protect me because even if he doesn't, scum wont have the guts to kill me. BTW you should busdrive me with a random tonight in case TFO is scum, pick wisely.

OK So apparently we have:

Some weird third party:
Milkshake- BTW what happens when you win, are you removed from the game? I am still not sure I buy your "one night" thing but I am not sure we have much choice to believe it or not at this stage.

Ordinary townies:
pmc
nag
TFO
/

Cult, I mean Town mason group:
Dazza
Haggis

CMC:
pancake

I don't know if we can actually win now. Our only hope is the roleblocker I think. I reckon pancake is scum in the very least and dazza is probably a cult- I very much doubt a town recruiter. If I am right and we lynch pancake and roleblock dazza then tomorrow we will wake up with: 2 Culties, 1 Killer, 2 Townies. Its likely that mafia/SK will kill TFO and give us only one day remaining. From there we have to lynch dazza and block the killer and on the next day we then lynch the correctly blocked killer. Finally if the game isn't over we lynch haggis on the last day.

Does that all make sense as a plan?

This is just written to make himself look as part of the town group. The plan doesn't actually make much sense. In the presented scenario all the killer/cult would have to do is target the roleblocker rather than the doc and it is game over. This is Major Oversight #2
Also note the scare tactics being used. You really think this game consisted of a 3 person mafia(with roleblocker), a SK, a cult(with weird day powers) and 8 townies a good number of whom have separate win conditions? I don't think so. It's a pretty good rule of thumb that the first person that starts yelling WE'RE IN TROUBLE, WE'RE ALMOST DEAD, LISTEN TO ME OR DIE doesn't exactly have the town's best interest at heart.

Have you ever played in a fircoal game before? He has said in the past he views town as just another faction except that it doesn't have a kill.

As for the fallacy I made a mistake in my typing but I am still not sure it would not work. If we lynched pancake and blocked dazza we would be left with 2 culties, 1 killer and 3 townies (not two as I wrongly wrote). Had they killed the blocker then we simply lynch dazza leaving; 1 culty (no recruiter), 1 killer and 3 townies. TFO would then die leaving; 1 culty, 1 killer and two townies. I'm not actually sure what would happen here, I think this is why cults all usually die off with their recruiter. Maybe I was wrong but I am still not even clear myself, one thing that is clear is that this is not a "major oversight", it is an attempt at getting the town an automatic win out of a very tough game, which is never going to be easy.

The upshot of all this was I was trying to provide solutions unlike many others who have sat on their arses all day. Apparently generating ideas and discussion is a maf tell because I happened to make a small mistake.. real townies say nothing and lurk..

Actually that wont work if milkshake wins tomorrow. My head hurts trying to think about this.

Why the hell would that matter? / has already won and he hasn't been removed from the game or anything. Oversight #3

/ stated he had a dual win condition but that is not always the case. In fact the standard third party WCs end their game and remove them from it. It is clear from my posts that I did not realise that milkshake was also claiming to have a second win condition for town. This was, at the time, a serious consideration.

So first you describe how the roleblock clears you (which you've also stated before as I pointed out), then you do a 180 and involve a busdriver to incriminate sheep even though that exact same logic could be used to incriminate you ? Oversight #4

This is just plain wrong. I was explaining why if the CMC were killed night one then how they might still have a kill, this has nothing to do with me unless you are suggesting I am part of the CMC group and I have been attempting to throw sheep under the bus for two days.

The roleblock does seem to make it less likely that he is a killer BUT:
1. This is a chu game, weird stuff can always be going on (I have my concerns about the apparent ammount of alternate win conditions for one)
2. He could easily be part of some scum faction and just not have sent the kill that night.
3. Above all, as a matter of principle, I think it's important to vote for who is scummiest in his posts, rather than who seems scummiest from conjectures and claimed actions (unless it's something clear cut like a cop result of course).

vote pmc

1. This is double standards, you don't allow me to use "chu" logic to dictate a cult, a mafia group and an SK and then you use it yourself to incriminate me based on "weird stuff happening"
2. True but if I am this means there are at least 3 other scum out there, so you may as well lynch someone else who you find suspicious who hasn't been cleared of killing.
3. Yes, it makes sense to lynch someone who couldn't possibly have killed last night based on the fact that he didn't fake claim as town