Crazys Superhero Mafia! Game Over! Villains Win!

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That is correct, I tracked clever, clever targeted no one for an action, Can you confirm this clever?
This is odd, hippo is confirmed as tracker, when logically he should be betiko's killer, either he is a mafia tracker, or there is a mafia ninja in our midst, (In which case, Bah at safariguy for balancing this) making both of our roles borderline useless.

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Here's where I begin to doubt the most logical outcome. I wonder why the second killer went for newguy rather than hippo? it is garanteed that the two killers are not in coordination, or there would be two dead rather than one. Hippo has always seemed somewhat truthful, in that he never claimed to be town.
And if he were mafia, why would mafia confirm he was the killer by eliminating newguy?

But there is one thing I believe hippo lied about, and that is knowing that skill is town, skill is your mason partner, is he not?
Which would make him third party, yes?
I believe skill may be the second killer, in being hippo's mason partner, would logically know that hippo wasn't betiko's killer, instead killing the only logical alternative, newguy.

Why do I assume the second is not a serial killer?
Because of night one, it is logical that the mafia would lose their kill upon day killing, but illogical that a serial killer would suffer for it, more likely the second skipped that night, something a serial killer would not do.

Now I am not even sure I believe what I just said, but it was something I was mulling over.

I think we should probably have a mass-claim, does anyone object?

[jak111]

Grr, I wish to say something sooo badly in this v.v. Also, note to Crazy, it should say Day 4 not 3. *Wishes this ghost could say something else -.-*

[jgordon1111]

I am with / on most of his logic, I believe skill is masoned to hippo. And considering SG7 flipped nothing? hippo is the logical killer of betiko.

The way that NG1 died says / may be right about the ninja because this was another new kill outside the bullets.


I am Frank Castle, The Punisher, town body guard. Whoever I choose to bodyguard cannot be killed by bullets. N1 I guarded NG1 when ghost got hit. N2 I guarded NG1 after crown flipped town. N3 I guarded / because I believed hippo killed betiko when SG7 the wanderer didnt seem a gun user and a plan was put in place for hippo to track / again. It seems I chose wrong.

[thehippo8]

Lol, you make me laugh jg. When have you ever heard that a tracker has killing powers?? Silly jg. And before any of you begin with WIFOm, I do not have any killing powers.

As to the other stuff you and / are talking about - let's hear what skill has to say for himself, hmm?

[jgordon1111]

I havent heard of a tracker having killing powers that is what is throwing me off here. But you knowing who / tracked says you are a tracker at least. So 2 trackers in the game.

[skillfusniper33]

So lets clear some things up first on how Betiko died. First I am not a SK, I am a Paranoid Gun owner, but it isn't standard that if someone visits me, they instantly die, they have a 50% chance of getting shot, which fits my character which is Harvey Dent (2-Face). Yes I am 3rd party, and yes I am masoned with Hippo. I do confirm that he is Night Crawler.

So technically I could have been part of killing NG1 as well, but I am not sure if a watcher counts as someone being visited. And by my understanding of the role I believe it does after a little bit of thinking about it.

To be straight up I have a feeling that their are only 2 mafia in this game and I believe they are JG, and Leehar. Leehar because he has been flying under the radar for most of the game (no I don't have any hard evidence right now on Leehar, but need to go back through the thread). And JG because of the last scene to be specific of the snapping of the neck. The Punisher is a brutal character, yes he was on the good side of things, but he dealt with bad people with a lot of cruelty. This does fit the scene, and since the scene was missing the statement of their is no information to gather from the scene I think it fits. Body guard to me also seems like a fairly easy role to fake claim, since they are pretty rare, but also with the flavor of this game I wouldn't think their would be a body guard in a game that is based on Superheros (although I could see it fitting with such odd roles out there).

I will post more a little later, since I have been summoned by a friend.

[crazymilkshake5]

uh... yeah... i forgot to put the "no information in the scene"... but uh.... guess its to late now. Literally had to do that scene as i was walking out the door.... Sorry fellas... please continue and dont let this interfere with the game, Once again, sorry

[jgordon1111]

I dont have night kills I have a protection role, which is kinda why I believe safari said the game would be balanced.

No where near NG1 last night lol.

Was gaurding / , because I didnt completely trust hippo's claim at the time.

And If I read harvey dent correctly, uh wasnt he a bad guy in batmans world? tried to kills gordons family and always flipped a 2 headed coin so its not 50/50 skill its a sure thing kill.

your flavor doesnt read as town.

And the way I read it beings I can only stop bullets,my role is to offset yours.

just read harvey dent again I was wrong about the coin apparently in the comic books. Its 50/50.

[Leehar]

I've been completely thrown off the rails because / confirmed hippo's tracking, which has thrown me for a loop.
However, mafias are want to have roles as well, so I suppose it is feasible that he's still scum, but the confidence with which they've claimed what they've done seems hard to fact. It could just be that everybody's in cahoots with everyone else, but that'd probably be a bit convoluted.

For now I'm suspicious of Skill's claim, because making yourself PGO/third-party seems to be an oft-used scum tactic in trying to skim the line of making yourself seems useful to town while still not lying in having a killing role.
However, I'm struggling to know if thats just me omgus'ing, or just continuing a vendetta against hippo etc or actually something I strongly feel.
The hippo thing because if they're masoned that means they're together, and likely both good, or both bad. We've already had 1 mason pair in ng and Crown, so I also doubt theirs another such pair town-aligned. And ng1/crown also had similar roles, in twins, and I can't see anything like that here with 2-face and nightcrawler from differing shows let alone not being related?

Also, it seems the last 2 guys Claimed with no prompting? Specially suspicious of jg because he was so against doing so for no reason the last few days?
But I think that means I'm the only one unclaimed now? Is this a mass-claim then and I should follow the leaders?

[Leehar]

However, the pgo thing could explain the 2-kills in night 2?
Who did you say betiko visited Night 2 Hippo? I think it was clever or skill? If skill, then it could explain the death and possibly clear hippo? Tho I'm astonished you didn't feel the need to claim yesterday skill, but instead jump out of thin air to do so today?

Also, is their anything you can contribute with regards your win condition skill? And why town would be better suited to having a 3rd party, vs not?

Also, these tracker peops, do you know if you see your target visit someone else, if that could also pop up for mafia or mason meetings?

[jgordon1111]

I claimed because I think something is off with skills and hippos claim. ok they say they are masoned but skill if he was town,why would town targeting him cause them to die.

And as you said Nightcrawler is a good guy, two face isnt, why on earth would they be masoned?

Night crawler became one of the X-men(good guys)

2 face flipped bad after his woman died(bad guys) masoned hmmm Rather odd that.

And apparently skill is the killer between them.

Hippo (mafia tracker would explain alot)

So I figured best to go with / idea and all of us in the open now is better for town.

/ seems to be the most reasonable thinker now.

[Leehar]

Idk, no offence to / but as I said earlier, I'm seeing connections between everyone.
I agree with skill that there' likely 2 mafia left if we haven't been endgamed already, so I was just wondering if perhaps / visiting Clever was a sign of them being mafia in cahoots and in discussions during the night. Plus he's the only lead we have for Jak's kill which seems to be the likely mafia target that night.

Btw, skill apparently didn't actually kill anyone. Because he's a PGO, betiko died by targetting skill.
But I'm really astonished you guys didn't come forward yesterday and save sg7 if that was the case. If betiko's death could be explained away, then it's astonishing that you guys didn't do so and let sg take the fall.

[skillfusniper33]

I had thought about claiming yesterday, but with everyone being extremely concerned about the double tracker I didn't really see the point. And since we had several things kinda come to a stop, and with the death last night, it seems to have had 2 people visit NG (which really was him visiting me, and someone going to him). I had also left a hint yesterday not to come visit me, but apparently NG didn't listen.

Another reason for claiming was to help my mason partner out a little, and confirming that he wasn't lying about that, as well as confirming his Character claim. Yes hippo said that Betiko had visited me during night 2. Also my win condition is to survive (but it does sound like it could have changed with the phrasing... Maybe I was who SG7 needed to find... But then again that would have meant he had a 50% chance to get his role changed).

I am not sure how you see it that I am jumping out of thin air with my claim Leehar. Also the reason for keeping me around is that if I die, mafia will win during the night phase, since their have to be 2 mafia, maybe 3. And if their are 3 they will have the advantage right away and get the win with my death, but if their are 2 and you kill me you will also loose if you are town, even if you get a mafia lynched tomorrow, since it would be 1v2 going into the night, and then a 1v1, which would lead to an endgame.

Fastposted by Leehar.
Well with my win condition which you now know about you should see why I let him take the fall, and we also didn't know what would have happened if his role did change, it could have lead to an instant endgame, or we could have gotten a bigger town. Having a role that changes really screws with the game IMO.

[Leehar]

Remember you could also have helped with the 2 tracker mystery if you had confirmed Hippo was town tracker yesterday?

[jgordon1111]

Why does it seem that flavour wise there is something wrong with skills and hippos mason claim,2 face is a bad guy. Always has been in the comic book batman series.

I have looked and the only version where he was a good guy for any period is the batman movie. And still went bad.

Am I missing something that everyone else has inside info on?

[Leehar]

I mentioned it jg, but can you find something else that fits the facts as easily?
I haven't found an actual reason for the day-kill, but it's possible that was a mafia exchange for night kill N1, while the 2 night kills N2 fits into this scenario with betiko dying in targeting Skill, while mafia killed jak. And then mafia targeted ng last night for the kill. Tho I'm confused by what Skill's been saying about ng targeting him as well?

Also, can someone remind me on what Clevers claim was? I haven't checked back but I think there was some suspicion on him early on which was sidetracked with the whole tracker and cop stuff?
Btw, I haven't re-read my role pm for a while, but I'm Captain America, bullet-proof townie (which fits with the whole big shield thing he has?). I asked cms if I could do something N1 (thinking I was perhaps a bodyguard) but no, I'm just supposed to sit around and look pretty while somehow hoping Mafia target me?
I'm not sure that ever happened, but perhaps thats the other possible reason there was no kill N1? (Or that jg saved someone?)

[jgordon1111]

I mentioned it jg, but can you find something else that fits the facts as easily?
I haven't found an actual reason for the day-kill, but it's possible that was a mafia exchange for night kill N1, while the 2 night kills N2 fits into this scenario with betiko dying in targeting Skill, while mafia killed jak. And then mafia targeted ng last night for the kill. Tho I'm confused by what Skill's been saying about ng targeting him as well?

Also, can someone remind me on what Clevers claim was? I haven't checked back but I think there was some suspicion on him early on which was sidetracked with the whole tracker and cop stuff?
Btw, I haven't re-read my role pm for a while, but I'm Captain America, bullet-proof townie (which fits with the whole big shield thing he has?). I asked cms if I could do something N1 (thinking I was perhaps a bodyguard) but no, I'm just supposed to sit around and look pretty while somehow hoping Mafia target me?
I'm not sure that ever happened, but perhaps thats the other possible reason there was no kill N1? (Or that jg saved someone?)

Do we know betiko targeted skill ?

And after that warning I dont understand why NG1 would target skill. Did he target or not?

This is seeming fishy somehow.

I rechecked clever claimed maxwell smart agent 86.

/ targeted him and says he didnt move last night,right /?

N1 I guarded NG1. But if he was targeted I would have died my role is bodyguard that can stop bullets, I am sure I die instead of the target.

last night I guarded / because I wasnt sure of hippo's claim as tracker,now it seems more of a mafia tracker role.

I should have stuck with NG1.

And really shouldnt have mentioned earlier in the game about protection for players,it might have gave me away.

That may be why NG1 got double tagged also,in case I was guarding him. double tap to ensure he went out.

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correct, clever did not target anyone.

I am very upset at skill and hippo, town's blood covers your hands, both of you knew exactly why Betiko died, I directly requested you claim if you were a PGO, but you helped to lynch shield, for a kill you KNEW he wasn't responsible for, why?

[jgordon1111]

correct, clever did not target anyone.

I am very upset at skill and hippo, town's blood covers your hands, both of you knew exactly why Betiko died, I directly requested you claim if you were a PGO, but you helped to lynch shield, for a kill you KNEW he wasn't responsible for, why?

+1 And after the fact come forward,this looks bad,my opinion is skill is the dangerous one.

There is something obvious going on that we are missing. I keep trying to put these kills together and feel I am missing the important part of it.

I am not buying now that you only die when you target skill. I think he can kill on his own. And I think hippo can kill as well,it doesnt make sense.

But skill wasnt there for betiko dying. We dont know if betiko targeted him or not,but betiko died by bullets.

NG1 got double tapped bullets and neck broke. I cannot fathom NG1 as our watcher targeting him with a warning like skill gave.

Maybe he did maybe he didnt,not sure.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

quote="thehippo8"]@clever - you said ...

hippo-him and sg7 were the two to visit betiko and betiko died and it seems sg7 role didnt have anything to do with killing as far as anyone can tell. so that leaves hippo and NG1 turned up to be town so we can trust him saying they were the only ones to visit him so right now hippo seems the scummiest to me.

Maybe it's just semantics, but I didn't visit him - as I am a tracker that's impossible for me.[/quote]

well if you didnt visit him then you wouldnt have been seen so you had some connection to him.

@ /- yes you are correct in saying i didnt do anything last night but thats kinda a mute point cause i already said i did not have the power to visit for two nights.

However, the pgo thing could explain the 2-kills in night 2?
Who did you say betiko visited Night 2 Hippo? I think it was clever or skill? If skill, then it could explain the death and possibly clear hippo? Tho I'm astonished you didn't feel the need to claim yesterday skill, but instead jump out of thin air to do so today?

Also, is their anything you can contribute with regards your win condition skill? And why town would be better suited to having a 3rd party, vs not?

Also, these tracker peops, do you know if you see your target visit someone else, if that could also pop up for mafia or mason meetings?

to the thing about the trackers seeing who they visited, um trackers see who they visited whether it be one person or everyone you will see it (i know cause i was tracker in power roles and i caught scum visiting two people)

ill post more soon as i just got home from out of state and i only read about half

[Some7hingCLEVER]

sorry for double post but
i dont like the fact that hippo and skill hid that from us. i dont believe in claiming PGO you would have had to say third party but now it just looks bad for you guys. this changes my scum suspicion list to

hippo
skill
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[skillfusniper33]

I can't confirm that Betiko targeted me during the night phase, but I strongly urge people not to. I believe hippo is telling the truth, and would help explain Betiko's death. But I know he didn't kill him. But since SG7 did target him, I don't have a clue if he could have done the killing

First of all we don't really know if their were any stipulations of what SG7's conditions were, apart from he was looking for someone, so he could have killed if it wasn't the right person. So their is still a chance that SG7 did, yes it is very slim, but a chance none the less. This is a pretty decent softclaim which probably lead to / thinking I am a PGO.

by the way, neither of the wanderers mentioned would fit with scratching someone to death, so it shouldn't be shield if he wasn't lying about his name, neither should it be hippo if he is indeed night-crawler. possibilities from least to most likely IMO.

1.Shield is lying about his name and role, he is a killer.
2. Skill is a paranoid gun owner type role, and killed betiko automatically once targeted
3. Hippo is lying about him name and alignment, my guess for most likely mafia tracker would be Sabertooth from the x-men, this fits with being scratched to death.
4. Newguy our watcher is now also a killer because her twin was killed, the scratches are constant with her ability to become any animal/dinosaur.

I don't understand how people seem to infer that saying "2. Skill is a paranoid Gun owner type role, and killed betiko automatically once targeted" is a tell that says I should come out and confirm or deny the claim given to me. I have had this happen in another game as well, maybe I am just missing something in my thinking but to me this isn't a viable option to force someone to claim. Now if their would have been a question directly posed towards me I would have answered it. But this is just a statement of speculation.

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Who has a real good idea? Thats not going to leave us down another town.

And I am still leaning toward sg7 have been for awhile,and still not trying to frame him I am not sure,leehar had a good point not to read into the flavour.

Well, strictly speaking shield is not town, so weather or not he's the killer, lynching him doesn't leave us down a townie unless a townie dies tonight, which hardly seems preventable, I would say, even though I lean more towards hippo on the grounds that, A. He's been counterclaimed B. He announced his first result at a completely pointless time C. He is going out of his way to NEVER EVER respond to me D. He, if not a tracker, has the greatest reason to want betiko dead, since he had announced his action on him in advance.

Still it should be one of the two if using an Occam's Razor principal. the only other choice is the confirmed watcher, or betiko's target, who, if a PGO (paranoid gun owner) type role, should claim as such to avoid further casualties.

If the deadline comes closer, I am fine with lynching shield, IF HE FLIPS A NON-KILLING ROLE, I SUGGEST A VIG KILL HIPPO TONIGHT, but for now, there is time for discussion.

@Shield, Does your role PM give any description of your character? Anything? Even just a Male or Female Pronoun?

Also, why target our cop after the possibility of a "touch of death" was brought up?

see above for where I asked skill to claim PGO

[jgordon1111]

I remember when you asked it,but when no one came forward I dismissed it that you were wrong.

It seems that skill figured that would get him lynched if he did.

Thats why I am saying every step skill has taken is off somehow,

1. why would crazy put that type of role in when its potential to take out town was so aggressively easy.

2. not claiming when asked.

3. letting sg7 go down for a kill either hippo of skill made.

4. I still cant get past night crawler and 2 face being masoned and not be totally wrong. this reads like fakeclaims so out there as to make everyone go well they wouldnt make those claims unless they were serious.

5. If I am wrong I figure / or me is next to die.