Two Sides Mafia: Side B, EndGame, It Spreads

[shieldgenerator7]

It had to have been Soundman D1 unless there was a busdriver. Soundman is a doc not a bodyguard like my Side A role. He dies only if he is targetted, not his target.

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[Rodion]

But if mafia killed Soundman N1, they'd know Jonty is fakeclaiming.

[jonty125]

I still don't understand how PCM A got N1 shot by the lab coat scientist.

Reviewing the threads:

1 - PCM A never voted Jonty A on D1.
2 - PCM B never voted Jonty B on D1.
3 - Safari A never voted Jonty A on D1.
4 - Safari B never voted Jonty B on D1.

Should we assume that Jonty is lying or that there is someone else that is the actual "lab coat SK"? I guess a 3rd possibility would be that PCM lied about having swapped himself with Safari, but I don't see why he'd lie (I can't understand how his Saf A <-> PCM A claimed swap would give him a B edge in case he is mafia/anti-town in B).

Monkey, other than "rule 3" ( 3. If you have special communication privileges as stated in your Role PM, you may NOT reveal the role you do not have these privileges for by secret communication.), I'm not aware of any restrictions applied to your posting/claiming possibilities, so I'll just ask questions and if you know for a fact you're not allowed to answer, then don't (this thread is not "secret communication").

1 - Were you given fakeclaims?
2 - Who did Mafia A try to kill N1:
a) Rodion
b) Soundman
c) someone else

Jonty, other than asking / if your pool of random kills is "who had votes on you by the end of the day" or "everyone that voted you in spite of possibly having later unvoted", please also ask if your kills can be roleblocked.

I assume, I can be roleblocked (sent PM to double check).

Drunk - I am not informed who I've killed.

[drunkmonkey]

Right I'll claim. My role is the same on both sides. The Paranoid Killing Researcher Of Dimensions

I am a researcher who has found his way into a parallel dimension, I have also created a clone so that I can live in the both towns and not just one. Alas, things aren't all rosy. I'm paranoid, that government agents are after me, so anyone who votes for me has a chance to be night-killed (so if Rodion, shield and drunk vote me in Side A, then they all have a 1/3 chance of dying but only one will die). \ also hinted two things, in my role PM with some rhetorical questions (these are paraphrased) 1) Is it possible for you to be cured in the head to stop killing randomly? 2) What special tricks do I have up my sleeve when evil knocks on my door?

I have had a think about these questions and these are the answers I indicated

1) If doc targets me, I might lose my ability, or become in control. I can't imagine a nutcase been cured in one night but who knows?
2) Looks like I could also have an intelligent PGO side to me, so only kill those who are trying to kill me.

WIFOM - but this sounds like only half of the description. In a game this intertwined, I'm having trouble believing that one of the role descriptions is (paraphrased) "your Side B (or A) role is an exact clone, and each side acts independently of the other".

[shieldgenerator7]

Maybe he has a clone in the other side because his alternate self died already, which would explain why he's paranoid about people out to get him, and also why there's only 1 kill by him each night, instead of 1 kill on each side (assuming his clone can't do anything, and might actually serve as a decoy, AKA 1-shot bulletproof)

Also, PCM was a therapist. WHy didn't that help jonty? I guess PCM would have had to target him?

[Victor Sullivan]

Well, this, this is, this is confusing. Currently, I'm leaning toward lynching jonty, to be honest. Things don't quite seem to add up...

-Sully

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Vote Count

Jonty: 4 votes; drunkmonkey, crazymilkshake5, Rodion, safariguy5

with 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch! Deadline Friday

[Some7hingCLEVER]

ya im gonna vote jonty
1.) his role seems wierd but that could be just the game
2.) it does seem like he may be town but
3.) whats the point in keeping him if the only thing he does is kill a random person with no control over it

it just seems like its not safe to him

[shieldgenerator7]

While Rodion leads the battle through the day, I have some responses:

Rodion said / would make it obvious the kill came from the other side, implying that the two Side A kills were from Side A. The last day scene said something about a flash of light, which probably means the kill came from Side B.

No one's died in this thread. I want to hear from Soundman. He seems to be very silent lately.

[soundman]

No one's died in this thread. I want to hear from Soundman. He seems to be very silent lately.

Sorry, been busy with Easter stuff since Friday. Haven't been able to do much until tonight.

I'm having a hard time believing that Jonty's role is beneficial to town. I believe most of the claim but think it's more likely to be Third Party than town. The killings don't seem to add up with the votes. But I'll wait for more info on that before diving deeper into it. There's one more thing that I think could be important, are you sure you have a PGO side Jonty?

[pancakemix]

I'm not ready to vote jonty just yet. His description versus the facts don't exactly stack up in his favor, but on the off chance he's telling the truth, wouldn't it be better to coordinate two jonty lynches at once? That way there's no chance he'd be able to kill someone as he'd be dead in both dimensions.

I'll agree I think something's fishy about the whole thing. I'm just suggesting a safe bet as opposed to potential death.

(If we do go the jonty route, I suggest we all vote him at least once before the lynch. That way, he'll have the lowest possible chance of killing any given player.)

[jonty125]

/ said, that the "pool" is all those who voted for me, throughout the day and I am roleblockable.

I'm not sure I'm PGO; but my role description hinted something like that.

I think each side has a kill, (my roles are exactly the same, they're just copy and pasted)

[Rodion]

Monkey, go ahead and claim my town A role if you really know it.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Monkey, go ahead and claim my town A role if you really know it.

did he say he knows it?
if so he better get it right cause i have a REALLY good idea of what your side a is.

[drunkmonkey]

Again, I don't see the point. Are you questioning my claim? I said jonty had 2 killing roles, and then jonty claimed 2 killing roles. If you're not questioning my claim, I can only assume you're once again trying to manipulate mafia into giving you information to be used against them.

[drunkmonkey]

/ said, that the "pool" is all those who voted for me, throughout the day and I am roleblockable.

So, one of the four who voted jonty is going to die tonight if we don't lynch him. In that pool, we have 4 claimed townies - watcher, role cop, doublevoter, and (temporarily) invincible. That's a 3/4 chance of losing something more important than an outed PGO, even in the case he is telling the truth.

[shieldgenerator7]

SO if we do lynch jonty today I suggest that Milkshake hammer because he's unkillable

I'm still in the air about jonty, originally suspect of him and then after his claim I thought he was "town-like" (only because his role hints at being able to be turned to town)

[Rodion]

Again, I don't see the point. Are you questioning my claim? I said jonty had 2 killing roles, and then jonty claimed 2 killing roles. If you're not questioning my claim, I can only assume you're once again trying to manipulate mafia into giving you information to be used against them.

I figure at this point I should claim. But why claim myself when I can further confirm your role by allowing you to prove your powers again?

Guessing Jonty's 2 roles doesn't 100% clear you in my eyes because:
a) you are a mafia cop in side A, so maybe your knowledge of Jonty A as a killing role derives from that
b) you could be mafia with Jonty in B, meaning your knowledge of Jonty B as a killing role is a direct consequence of knowing each other

If instead of letting me claim (which I inevitably will) you can go ahead and "prove" your B role to a more accurate degree by claiming for me, then why not? I still won't be 100% sure you are who you claim to be (you could again know my A role due to your A role), but you'll be less likely to be a liar from my point of view.

[crazymilkshake5]

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SO if we do lynch jonty today I suggest that Milkshake hammer because he's unkillable

I'm still in the air about jonty, originally suspect of him and then after his claim I thought he was "town-like" (only because his role hints at being able to be turned to town)

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[shieldgenerator7]

lshicastr milkshake what happened with your post?

Oh and thanks for quoting me I don't always check my post after I click Submit (or before for that matter), and I forgot to finish what I was saying:

After jonty claimed I thought he could be turned to town and his claim seemed believeable so I unvoted. Now there's talk about possible consequences of jonty's role and now I'm on the list of potential night victims so I'm thinking we should lynch jonty too. I still think his role could be useful (especially as a threat to mafia) but maybe he can still do his thing if he's still alive in Side A (afterall he is a dimension-traveling scientist, maybe we'll lynch his clone instead?)

SO I will again add my vote onto jonty. VOTE JONTY I fully belive his claim but I'm hoping that lynching his SIde B role will make his kill go to Side A, where I'm already dead, so it won't matter, and where town has pretty much beaten the mafia to a pulp (way to go town ). So to keep myself from being among the list of potential hit targets, my vote stands as is.

-SG7 ( )

[crazymilkshake5]

Wanted to see if you could put a color inside of a color, didnt work, no color ception for me nor spoiler ception

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Wanted to see if you could put a color inside of a color, didnt work, no color ception for me nor spoiler ception

like this

[jonty125]

lshicastr milkshake what happened with your post?

Oh and thanks for quoting me I don't always check my post after I click Submit (or before for that matter), and I forgot to finish what I was saying:

After jonty claimed I thought he could be turned to town and his claim seemed believeable so I unvoted. Now there's talk about possible consequences of jonty's role and now I'm on the list of potential night victims so I'm thinking we should lynch jonty too. I still think his role could be useful (especially as a threat to mafia) but maybe he can still do his thing if he's still alive in Side A (afterall he is a dimension-traveling scientist, maybe we'll lynch his clone instead?)

SO I will again add my vote onto jonty. VOTE JONTY I fully belive his claim but I'm hoping that lynching his SIde B role will make his kill go to Side A, where I'm already dead, so it won't matter, and where town has pretty much beaten the mafia to a pulp (way to go town ). So to keep myself from being among the list of potential hit targets, my vote stands as is.

-SG7 ( )

Anyone else think this post smells a lot like a survivor?

I am the Cowardly Town Commuter

WIFOM: Fakeclaim, for survivor? Suggesting, mafia don't kill me, you might miss

[crazymilkshake5]

Hold up... SG7 why do you want me to drop the hammer? Lets look at things...

You ask me to unvote so you can vote for jonty, Why? so it doesnt look that scummy so you can cover your mafia tracks?

please explain.

[shieldgenerator7]

Well jonty's role hinted that he might have a PGO ability. If we would have any townie hammer him, it'd be safest to have you hammer him milkshake because you have an unkillable ability.

And no I'm not a survivor I just don't want a townie to unnesecarily die because he hammered an unexpected PGO guy. And also there's the chance that a townie will unnecesarily die from jonty's random NK. So the logic today being that hopefully us townies will survive if we lynch the random killing for Side B.

Besides, even if I was a survivor (which I'm not), what's it to you? I don't have a killing role and I would be of no threat to town if I was a survivor. But the fact is I am what I said I am, Town Commuter

And yes I agree with Rodion: if he's going to claim anyways, it'd be best for DM to prove his ability by claiming Rodion's role first.

-SG7 ( )