HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[strike wolf]

So Spartacus now I referring straight to you so that I can prove your story is craps without reviling my power.

Based to what you learnt about my character my power is only during night. Right? Is there any possibility that I have powers during the day too?
Did you learn all my powers or when I reveal my truth power you will say that you might did not know that I had that power too?

(because if needed to revile my power during that day I do not want to read any more stories from you. So if you have to say more things about me and prove yourself guilty without my help you are free to do so)

have to sleep. The rest tomorrow

Ahh I think I see what you're getting at here.

[spiesr]

But the innocent people unvote quickly so that deatheaters can not quickly vote me and lynch me.

Unless we are at LYLO, it would be stupid for the scum to try to speed lynch you. So we don't have to worry about that happening.

[mc05025]

But the innocent people unvote quickly so that deatheaters can not quickly vote me and lynch me.

Unless we are at LYLO, it would be stupid for the scum to try to speed lynch you. So we don't have to worry about that happening.

I hope so

Strike what do you mean?

[everywhere116]

So Spartacus now I referring straight to you so that I can prove your story is craps without reviling my power.

Based to what you learnt about my character my power is only during night. Right? Is there any possibility that I have powers during the day too?
Did you learn all my powers or when I reveal my truth power you will say that you might did not know that I had that power too?

(because if needed to revile my power during that day I do not want to read any more stories from you. So if you have to say more things about me and prove yourself guilty without my help you are free to do so)

have to sleep. The rest tomorrow

Ahh I think I see what you're getting at here.

I don't. I have some ideas, but I think it is more prudent to keep silent about it.

While your "unvote me now or you're scum" line isn't appealing, you are right about Sparticus's lackadaisical attempts at clarity. Unvote

[mc05025]

While your "unvote me now or you're scum" line isn't appealing, you are right about Sparticus's lackadaisical attempts at clarity. Unvote

I did not say scum. I said suspicious to me. I think there is a deference.

Now that I am L-4 I am not afraid anymore about a quick lynch so I do not care that much about unvoting but still reasonable innocent people should do so I think

[spiesr]

Now that I am L-4 I am not afraid anymore about a quick lynch so I do not care that much about unvoting but still reasonable innocent people should do so I think

You haven't really provided anything that would really justify people needing to unvote. You basically said "I am not what Spartacus said," but you haven't yet given people a reason to necessarily believe you over him. You say that you can prove it, but until you do so it doesn't count for a lot.
Also if Sparatcus is actually scum, then I would not count on his scum mates being the ones who don't unvote you. They would know if what he is saying could be disprove or not, so they likely wouldn't try themselves to it too strongly...

[mc05025]

Now that I am L-4 I am not afraid anymore about a quick lynch so I do not care that much about unvoting but still reasonable innocent people should do so I think

You haven't really provided anything that would really justify people needing to unvote. You basically said "I am not what Spartacus said," but you haven't yet given people a reason to necessarily believe you over him. You say that you can prove it, but until you do so it doesn't count for a lot.
Also if Sparatcus is actually scum, then I would not count on his scum mates being the ones who don't unvote you. They would know if what he is saying could be disprove or not, so they likely wouldn't try themselves to it too strongly...

Obviously I did not say we will know 3-4 scums at the end of the story. But we can have some informations

I know I haven't prove anything yet but I have give the information that I have the ability to prove I am innocent during the day. That is why Spartacus is unlucky, because many innocent people do not have powers during the day.

So, before revealing information helpful for deatheaters I want to make a small investigation. Be patient. The proof (if needed) will come most likely tomorrow

[Nebuchadnezer]

This all seems like a bunch of stalling from MC#s. I'll give him credit that he talked his way off the ledge waaaaaay to easy.

A few tings to note:

1. He said his is innocent "during the day." Does that strike anyone as odd?
2. This would be the first character that is actually named, that is evil. So far, all of our targets have had names of people aligned with good...and turned up town.
3. Note that MC hasn't denied that he is Fenrir.
4. I would ask to see his proof, but what if his "proof" is a day kill? Unlikely, as he is a werewolf...

I'd like to hear a full claim from MC#s. He can either bring it forward freely, or I'll pile my vote on...no matter. But I'm willing to play his game, and wait, while he comes up with a story...

[chapcrap]

Now that I am L-4 I am not afraid anymore about a quick lynch so I do not care that much about unvoting but still reasonable innocent people should do so I think

You haven't really provided anything that would really justify people needing to unvote. You basically said "I am not what Spartacus said," but you haven't yet given people a reason to necessarily believe you over him. You say that you can prove it, but until you do so it doesn't count for a lot.
Also if Sparatcus is actually scum, then I would not count on his scum mates being the ones who don't unvote you. They would know if what he is saying could be disprove or not, so they likely wouldn't try themselves to it too strongly...

This.

You expect me to unvote you because you said you're innocent? Please. It's obvious why I voted. I voted because someone revealed you as Fenrir Greyback. He's scummy. No matter what. So, either, you need to be lynched or SPART is lying. My vote stays.

[mc05025]

This all seems like a bunch of stalling from MC#s. I'll give him credit that he talked his way off the ledge waaaaaay to easy.

A few tings to note:

1. He said his is innocent "during the day." Does that strike anyone as odd?
2. This would be the first character that is actually named, that is evil. So far, all of our targets have had names of people aligned with good...and turned up town.
3. Note that MC hasn't denied that he is Fenrir.
4. I would ask to see his proof, but what if his "proof" is a day kill? Unlikely, as he is a werewolf...

I'd like to hear a full claim from MC#s. He can either bring it forward freely, or I'll pile my vote on...no matter. But I'm willing to play his game, and wait, while he comes up with a story...

LOL Neb

I am not Fenrih who by the way is a completly bad person during day and night too
I am innocent during day and night (LOL). I said I can prove I am innocent and I can do that during the day (sorry if my english are not good enough to make that statement clear)
My proof is not a day kill and I am not going to give all the information about my character because that will help the deatheaters and it is not necessary

Chapcrap I was expecting you to unvote because killing someone without giving him the opportunity to defend himself is not a good play from innocent.
I was at L-2.... very close to Lynch and you had voted me without hearing my defense. You are suspicious to me. And alt too who I saw him browsing that forum without posting

[spiesr]

Chapcrap I was expecting you to unvote because killing someone without giving him the opportunity to defend himself is not a good play from innocent.
I was at L-2.... very close to Lynch and you had voted me without hearing my defense. You are suspicious to me. And alt too who I saw him browsing that forum without posting

A person voting for someone is not quite the same as suggesting that they should immediately be lynched. If nobody was voting for you then your defense would not be needed, so people voting for you before you make your defense is reasonable. L-2 is close to a lynch, but as long as people are aware of it and aren't stupid, then there is a pretty big jump from that point to the actual lynch. It has commonly been accepted as a stopping point for bandwagons where the voting will hold a that point until all necessary arguments/defenses/claims have been heard and people are okay with advancing. While there may be players in this game who are unfamiliar with this custom, I think we had managed to make things clear enough that we should wait before going farther that nobody would have jumped on and lynched unless them were majorly skimming.
Anyhow, your defense to this point hasn't exactly been fleshed out enough that you can justifiably expect everybody to take their votes off you. You aren't in any danger of a speed-lynch right now, so they can leave their votes there if they want, pending you providing something convincing to turn the lynch towards Spartacus (or something).

[Iron Butterfly]

Wow...alot happened today. I just logged and saw the several pages.

In a nutshell. Sparticas has presented his findings and come up with a presumed deatheater. People have piled on rather quickly and the voice of reason has slowed things down. While I have been one to rally to the defense of Sparticas I also realize that it would be silly to have a quick lynch. There is alot to be learned in the ensuing debate and how people respond.

If Sparticas is correct how is MC to defend himself against a lynch? There are only two ways...attack and try to discredit the messenger and/or stall for time with appeals to emotion.

If Sparticas is lieing the only way we can judge that is by MC fully claiming and explaining how his role works. Waiting till tommorrow is silly and only helps mafia get another night kill if he is indeed mafia. The argument that "I can prove it but its better if you dont make me" is bogus.

So regardless if MC is Town or Mafia the first order of bussiness is to make a full claim and let the group weigh its merits.

[strike wolf]

This is getting a bit tedious with MC's (lack of) claim. Though I do want to ask. How many were aware of what the vote count was actually at? It developed very quickly. Easy to lose count of votes.

[alt1978]

I was browsing and I'm unconvinced. With sparticus's info...the burden of proof rests on you. I was all in on sparticus being useful yesterday. If you skimmed over that...I believe that snape is too vital and central of a role to be a fake claim. I believe that since no one counter claimed...sparticus is snape. I said I was going to follow his information if the target seemed skummy. Your disappearance for a large part of yesterday seemed scummy. You have flown on and off the radar. Saying what you are not while you bide time to come up with what you are is not helping your case any.

I'll sit back and enjoy the show. if it's mind blowing i'll unvote. Otherwise...my vote stays the same. on you Mc.

[chapcrap]

This is getting a bit tedious with MC's (lack of) claim. Though I do want to ask. How many were aware of what the vote count was actually at? It developed very quickly. Easy to lose count of votes.

Lack of a claim is right. I don't know how many votes there were. I know that it takes 8 to vote and I was vote 3-5, so he wasn't in any trouble when I voted. I also know that we've had 2 unvotes since then.

mc, everyone understands what you are saying. We just can't believe you. Just because you say so, doesn't make it truth.

[thehippo8]

Hmmm ... seems to be a bit of skimming going on.

MC said ...

So, before revealing information helpful for deatheaters I want to make a small investigation. Be patient. The proof (if needed) will come most likely tomorrow

Whilst I'm prepared to give MC some rope, it is perhaps prudent for MC to explain himself a bit more. I appreciate he doesn't want to say whatever he doesn't want to say but he needs to get on with the investigation clearly and swiftly or else it's zip!

[thehippo8]

In fairness, I should add that MC also said:

Based to what you learnt about my character my power is only during night. Right? Is there any possibility that I have powers during the day too?
Did you learn all my powers or when I reveal my truth power you will say that you might did not know that I had that power too?

(because if needed to revile my power during that day I do not want to read any more stories from you. So if you have to say more things about me and prove yourself guilty without my help you are free to do so)

have to sleep. The rest tomorrow

[strike wolf]

Hmmm ... seems to be a bit of skimming going on.

MC said ...

So, before revealing information helpful for deatheaters I want to make a small investigation. Be patient. The proof (if needed) will come most likely tomorrow

Whilst I'm prepared to give MC some rope, it is perhaps prudent for MC to explain himself a bit more. I appreciate he doesn't want to say whatever he doesn't want to say but he needs to get on with the investigation clearly and swiftly or else it's zip!

So who's skimming?

[spiesr]

If Sparticas is lieing the only way we can judge that is by MC fully claiming and explaining how his role works. Waiting till tommorrow is silly and only helps mafia get another night kill if he is indeed mafia. The argument that "I can prove it but its better if you dont make me" is bogus.

I personally think he meant tomorrow as in April 4, 2012 not Day 4...

[thehippo8]

Ah, perceptive again Spiesr, that seemed the only way to read it but IB may have thought day 4! Maybe he can tell us?

[freezie]

Vote Count:

McHammer(4): Spartacus, Chapcrap, Dj, Alt

Spartacus(1): McHammer

With 15 alive, takes 8 to lynch. Mass prod going tomorow.

[Iron Butterfly]

Ah, perceptive again Spiesr, that seemed the only way to read it but IB may have thought day 4! Maybe he can tell us?

I did beleive tommorow as in day 4 game time not tommorow real time.

[SPARTACUS1974]

i was told in my pm when i recieved the info that no more info will be given about last night.

That seems like a strange and oddly specific thing to have been included in the message giving you your results. As such, you saying this increases my suspicion that you may be lying about all of this.
Also, it seems I must now repeat myself:

Can you please individually answer every one of my specific questions to the best of your ability/knowledge?

And now add to that list of questions my new demand that you explain why you have not done so yet.

it may be strange to you but you should not play the mod .
i also do not know if he had any actions n1 ,like i said on day2 i will just find out about that night and on n4 i will not have any info on previous days or nights .

to mc05 i was given no info about any daytime actions you have .
now you have had enough hrs to post something useful or are you just gonna keep stalling while you make up a nice role ?

[Nebuchadnezer]

Okay.he had time. Did he give us something useful? Not really. He just deflected questions, and have us a lot of vagaries. I don't want him lynched, yet...but I need more than he's given us.
VOTE MC25052

[pancakemix]

Okay.he had time. Did he give us something useful? Not really. He just deflected questions, and have us a lot of vagaries. I don't want him lynched, yet...but I need more than he's given us.
VOTE MC25052

Did you not read the above posts? He said "tomorrow". As in Wednesday, April 4th tomorrow. So today. No need to get anxious.