Yo Ho, A Pirate's Life! [2/16] Endgame: Pirates Win!

[soundman]

@soundman: the watcher/tracker should work based on targeting. If a player is targeting another player the result turns up. For instance, if a tracker had targeted the watcher, then he would still get results, right? It doesn't make sense to do it the other way. I will wait on your next batch of information before I set a vote.

My though was that since they don't really "interact" (like a vig, roleblocker, etc) with the players they're watching/tracking then they wouldn't show up. But I'll change it if that's not correct... And here I was hoping to have a perfect run through.

[Nebuchadnezer]

@Neb - It's ttaken me a while to understand both what you were actually saying (thanks for clarifying that) and why it is not a reasonable inference from the known facts. We know that there were two kills. We know the JOAT tried to save someone. What we don't know is whether the person that the JOAT tried to save was attacked. In any game powers are used without knowing for sure what the result would be. For instance, if person A saved person B and person A was busdriven by person C then person A would save person D. If person B was attacked then person A is no longer saving them. Similarly, if person A is saving person B but person B isn't attacked then all the JOAT would know is that they had saved person B. Person B wouldn't know whether they were attacked or not, or even that they weresaved unless person A told us what they did. So, that takes us back to a question of whther there werre actually only two kills, not three. Hope that makes sense, but I appreciate that it doesn't really help us. I still think the better question is not how many kills there were or weren't but rather why there is more than one night kill in the first place!

Okay, Hippo...this above does nothing to add anything to the game. It's a confusing diatribe of WIFOM. I don't like it all. Let me lay this out clearly, so there can be no guessing...

Ship's Log, July 19th, 1712

Two separate gunshots when off last night.

Please note...TWO SEPARATE GUNSHOTS.

This morn we found one of the local people we had pressed into service laying in a pool of blood. He was holding a knife in his hand and looked to have been on his way back from the crew's quarters.

The first person found shot, ALSO had a bloody knife in his hand. This is Jonty, the third party SK.

We found the other body by another crew member that looked to have taken a knife wound. The wound had been cleaned and bandaged,

This is the person that Jonty attacked. Note: "looked to have taken the knife wound." Also note: "The wound had been cleaned and bandaged," Somebody SAVED this person. It doesn't matter who this person is, as only Kiwi knows who she saved. But this is clearly a save by the JOAT. Unless there is another saving role on board, which I doubt. This also indicates that it was not a bus drive as I don't think the bus driver would "clean and bandage" a wound, rather just move the person out of harms way.

but the one who saved him was dead from a bullet in the back of the head.

This is the second bullet shot. Kiwi.

Jonty - Pirate Victim (Serial Killer) - Was killed
Kiwi - Boatswain (JOAT) - Was killed

It is now Day Three!

So, your whole long story of what person A or B did doesn't seem to hold water. Please tell me where I am wrong, or what assumptions of mine are wrong, because it seems very clear to me what happened. Mafia shot one. Vig shot one. SK stabbed one, who was saved.

[SPARTACUS1974]

i been reading back through the night kills and yes there were 3 attempted kills and 1 were saved .
most pirate films i have seen there were the
1.good pirates who are town.
2.bad pirates who are mafia .
3.the navy who kill both?
4.the press gang sailor jonty

i agree with neb i really cant see a bus drive last night it just does not work out in the night actions and killings .
i think what the hippo has been saying just does not add up with the bus drive .
we need to hear more from hippo and teegee

[Nebuchadnezer]

Hmm, I do not believe New Guy is the vig since he visited Sully. Neither do I believe him a mafia KILLER since Sully is obviously not dead. However, my guesses can be countered if the JOAT in fact saved Sully?

I agree newguy is not the Vig, or Isaiah would have seen more than just Newguy visit Sully. Someone would have had to busdrive Sully away. That clearly didn't happen. And how the heck can your guesses be countered by the JOAT? (S)he's dead!

As for Doom, he was blocked. He did not fire a round last night or knife anyone. So this alone makes him not 3rd party or vig. But he may be a non killing mafia?

Agreed. Doom did not do any killing. This clears him of nothing though.

TheHippo, well besides criticism, there is not much info good or bad about him, which in my eyes stand out that we either need him to squawk or walk the plank.

Agreed. He's hanging back, and throwing WIFOM posts about that are not advancing much of anything.

Out of these 3 options Neb gives, I'd be more willing to pressure Hippo at this moment than the rest (not saying I wouldn't pressure them at all, just he stands out more). Though Neb, you must see this from my prospective that you do not look innocent yourself. We do not know much about you though hopefully if you're town you can help us out over this day. We CANNOT afford to go another day without a lynch.

Agreed. That's why I made my list of possible suspects such as I did. I am not above suspicion from the rest of the town. The top three are my suspects. I think CLEVER and Sully are still suspects as well, as their "claims" do not clear them on their own merit.

There may be either 1-2 killers left out there (depends if the vig... if we have one... decides to kill). Also looking at the statistics, 2 mafia are left. We've only killed 2 and 1 SK is dead. Which means if there's 4 mafia it's a fair 4:1 ratio in favor of town.

Also quickpost Hippo... You're logic of bus driving is COMPLETELY off. Let me break it down to you since in my first game I was a bus driver.

In this example let person 'A' be the bus driver, let person 'B' be a VT, let person 'C' be another VT, and let person 'D' be a mafia killer, let person 'E' be a Doctor
If person A switches B and C and D attacks B or C the opposite dies. While if D attacks A, A dies.
If person A switches B or C with D and D attacks that switched person D dies. If D attacks A, A dies.
If person A switches B or C with E, while E protects the unswitched player and D attacks this unswitched player, they are safe because they were not changed.

Well to clarify the whole example up, If a joat is bus driven he does not protect someone else unless he is bus driven with the person he chose or his chosen target was bus driven. But if he himself is bus driven it does not effect what his action does. So your person D is totally impossible for this case since the JOAT died, if whoever he chosen was bus driven with him he would not have.

Mind you there are ways D can be affected but not by the way you're using it in your example Hippo. Unless you wish to begin claiming, major FoS on you.

I agree with your assessment on Hippo...He seems to just be trying to muddy up the possibilities with misdirection and a useless post. I also do not agree with Hippo on going after TeeGee. TeeGee has been very inactive. I doubt he's been on enough to collaborate anything. A useless townie is better than a dead townie. We have better information to go on at this point, and chasing an inactive doesn't make sense to me.

I would also like to know what newguy1 was doing visiting Sully last night? Perhaps mafia roleblocking? Perhaps mafia role cop? Cop investigation? Bus driving?

But for now...

VOTE HIPPO

[jak111]

I agree newguy is not the Vig, or Isaiah would have seen more than just Newguy visit Sully. Someone would have had to busdrive Sully away. That clearly didn't happen. And how the heck can your guesses be countered by the JOAT? (S)he's dead!"

See, saving someone happened last night from the JOAT, and we still do not know who it was that kiwi saved before she died. So it could have been Sully which would make New Guy not cleared. See what I'm saying?

Agreed. Doom did not do any killing. This clears him of nothing though.

Pretty much what I said, it proves he didn't do the killing while he still could be something other than the killer mafia.

Agreed. That's why I made my list of possible suspects such as I did. I am not above suspicion from the rest of the town. The top three are my suspects. I think CLEVER and Sully are still suspects as well, as their "claims" do not clear them on their own merit.

It is not the claims that I find clear anyone but the info we have gotten. CLEVER is near cleared by confirming that New Guy did visit Sully last night (he could be a mafia watcher, but mostly unlikely). So I'd trust him while not trusting his way of thinking about 85%.
Sully is near cleared by what Isaiah says, while not being perfectly cleared he did not go anywhere last night.
Isaiah, which everyone can agree with me was hinted at at being cleared by Soundman himself.

@soundman: the watcher/tracker should work based on targeting. If a player is targeting another player the result turns up. For instance, if a tracker had targeted the watcher, then he would still get results, right? It doesn't make sense to do it the other way. I will wait on your next batch of information before I set a vote.

My though was that since they don't really "interact" (like a vig, roleblocker, etc) with the players they're watching/tracking then they wouldn't show up. But I'll change it if that's not correct... And here I was hoping to have a perfect run through.

So, there are 3 possible clearances right there with what the MOD hinted at. Though I'd like Isaiah to watch Sully for one more night just in case he decided to lay low last night.

Now that being all said, until Hippo gives us some info, Vote Hippo

[thehippo8]

I agree with Neb's analysis. That seems the most logical explanation.

I have explained that I'm not scum, not sure if anything else I can say about my role would assist with that!! But should there be sufficient interest then I will happily claim. But I am one of the good guys!

[Nebuchadnezer]

I will admit, that any analysis might be completely different if we have a bus driver in the mix. But for now, I think I'm pretty on.

[kiwi3]

Neb, I told you I wasn't mafia! (that was a whine, lol)

Good luck and have fun everyone. I will continue to observe to see how everything pans out.

Looks like my death caused some action! Woohoo

[Nebuchadnezer]

Neb, I told you I wasn't mafia! (that was a whine, lol)

Good luck and have fun everyone. I will continue to observe to see how everything pans out.

Looks like my death caused some action! Woohoo

You did...unfortunately, I read your play wrong. But thanks for the save, and we'll bring this around to a town win.

[thehippo8]

Neb, I told you I wasn't mafia! (that was a whine, lol)

Good luck and have fun everyone. I will continue to observe to see how everything pans out.

Looks like my death caused some action! Woohoo

You did...unfortunately, I read your play wrong. But thanks for the save, and we'll bring this around to a town win.

As long as we stop attacking town, that is

[soundman]

Vote Count:

SPARTACUS1974
isaiah40 - Victor - (L5)
thehippo8 - Neb, Jak - (L4)
Victor Sullivan
Some7hingCLEVER
TeeGee
new guy1 - isaiah, hippo - (L4)
ghostly447
DoomYoshi - Doom - (L5)
jak111
Nebuchadnezer

With 11 alive it takes 6 to make someone walk the plank.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I agree newguy is not the Vig, or Isaiah would have seen more than just Newguy visit Sully. Someone would have had to busdrive Sully away. That clearly didn't happen. And how the heck can your guesses be countered by the JOAT? (S)he's dead!"

See, saving someone happened last night from the JOAT, and we still do not know who it was that kiwi saved before she died. So it could have been Sully which would make New Guy not cleared. See what I'm saying?

Agreed. Doom did not do any killing. This clears him of nothing though.

Pretty much what I said, it proves he didn't do the killing while he still could be something other than the killer mafia.

Agreed. That's why I made my list of possible suspects such as I did. I am not above suspicion from the rest of the town. The top three are my suspects. I think CLEVER and Sully are still suspects as well, as their "claims" do not clear them on their own merit.

It is not the claims that I find clear anyone but the info we have gotten. CLEVER is near cleared by confirming that New Guy did visit Sully last night (he could be a mafia watcher, but mostly unlikely). So I'd trust him while not trusting his way of thinking about 85%.
Sully is near cleared by what Isaiah says, while not being perfectly cleared he did not go anywhere last night.
Isaiah, which everyone can agree with me was hinted at at being cleared by Soundman himself.

@soundman: the watcher/tracker should work based on targeting. If a player is targeting another player the result turns up. For instance, if a tracker had targeted the watcher, then he would still get results, right? It doesn't make sense to do it the other way. I will wait on your next batch of information before I set a vote.

My though was that since they don't really "interact" (like a vig, roleblocker, etc) with the players they're watching/tracking then they wouldn't show up. But I'll change it if that's not correct... And here I was hoping to have a perfect run through.

So, there are 3 possible clearances right there with what the MOD hinted at. Though I'd like Isaiah to watch Sully for one more night just in case he decided to lay low last night.

Now that being all said, until Hippo gives us some info, Vote Hippo

Problem is, it would have been Sully who was STABBED by the SK...who is dead. Therefore newguy is not the SK.

[jak111]

Hmm, very true. Though the scene sort of throws me off everytime I look at it. Let me see if I can show you what I mean.

Ship's Log, July 19th, 1712

Two separate gunshots when off last night. This morn we found one of the local people we had pressed into service laying in a pool of blood. He was holding a knife in his hand and looked to have been on his way back from the crew's quarters. We found the other body by another crew member that looked to have taken a knife wound. The wound had been cleaned and bandaged, but the one who saved him was dead from a bullet in the back of the head.

Jonty - Pirate Victim (Serial Killer) - Was killed
Kiwi - Boatswain (JOAT) - Was killed

It is now Day Three!

There are two shots and one stab, okay got that.
Then if mentions Jonty laying in a pool of blood holding the knife.
Then the next thing seems like that was Jonty's target, but it mentions "The one who saved him..." So then whomever this guy was either SHOULD be dead or we should know him since we found his 'body'
Then of course it mentions Kiwi's body, "The one who saved him was dead from a bullet hole in the back of the head".

See my BIGGEST pet peeve is that it mentions 3 bodies in all yet there's only two kills. One of these "Bodies" Was saved by Kiwi before she died. So who was it? The scene speaks about them like they were one of the dead. So you see, my problem is is that the scene is NOT accurate. Otherwise it'd mention a 3rd blood spot and no body or something like that,but instead it picks to say there's a 3rd body..

[thehippo8]

Perceptive Jak! I didn't read it like that before. But, as they say, you can't unring a bell once it is rung. Now I can't read it any other way. Someone was stabbed but saved by Kiwi. Had Kiwi not done that then we'd have three bodies. It was a lucky save, particularly given thet Kiwi died in the process. So, we have - if I have this right - a mafia kill, an SK kill and a special power kill. Only one of the kills didn't happen. Who failed? And who was to have died but lieved. Do they know? If they know then are they Mafia and that's why they are not telling us. As a crime scene it's pretty interesting. Where's Miss Marples when you need her!

[TeeGee]

Thanks for that Jak, well picked up. I missed it also.. so someone is walking around wounded.. hmmm

Parrots are small, maybe there blood would go unnoticed? Or am I offtrack again?

Sully, let us know you are uninjured.

[DoomYoshi]

I highly doubt that Sully would know whether or not he was injured. It is always possible, but I don't think so.

So, the final story makes sense. 3 deaths, 1 saved by a doctor. Whoever jonty targetted is still alive. Now, it is ALSO who kiwi targetted, so I doubt it was Victor, as kiwi was saying at the end of the day that Sully was scummy.

[ghostly447]

I haven't read this massive amount if posts quite yet but I would just like to say our mod made a correction and Isaiah did also visit sully. Now time to read all of this.

[ghostly447]

Okay why are we still on the scene? Regarding the parrot possibly being stabbed I watched the parrot. My thoughts were off on proving ng guilty but if there is going to be an assumption. That the parrot was stabbed then I can clear Isaiah and we know who that leaves. As for it all being true there is some truth to it. The parrot could not be stabbed because our claimed tracker visited him and therefore that means ng wasn't a shooter.

Regarding everything else I will go back and grab more stuff when I get home. Hopefully we can put 2 and 2 together because right now I see a lot of confusion and a lot of people I could see getting killed by Mafia tonight. Too many power role claims and too little defense to save them all is what I mean.

Be back with that tonight then!

[isaiah40]

Hmm, very true. Though the scene sort of throws me off everytime I look at it. Let me see if I can show you what I mean.

Ship's Log, July 19th, 1712

Two separate gunshots when off last night. This morn we found one of the local people we had pressed into service laying in a pool of blood. He was holding a knife in his hand and looked to have been on his way back from the crew's quarters. We found the other body by another crew member that looked to have taken a knife wound. The wound had been cleaned and bandaged, but the one who saved him was dead from a bullet in the back of the head.

Jonty - Pirate Victim (Serial Killer) - Was killed
Kiwi - Boatswain (JOAT) - Was killed

It is now Day Three!

There are two shots and one stab, okay got that.
Then if mentions Jonty laying in a pool of blood holding the knife.
Then the next thing seems like that was Jonty's target, but it mentions "The one who saved him..." So then whomever this guy was either SHOULD be dead or we should know him since we found his 'body'
Then of course it mentions Kiwi's body, "The one who saved him was dead from a bullet hole in the back of the head".

See my BIGGEST pet peeve is that it mentions 3 bodies in all yet there's only two kills. One of these "Bodies" Was saved by Kiwi before she died. So who was it? The scene speaks about them like they were one of the dead. So you see, my problem is is that the scene is NOT accurate. Otherwise it'd mention a 3rd blood spot and no body or something like that,but instead it picks to say there's a 3rd body..

This does not mean that the 3rd body is dead. it could be that the 3rd body just sustained a wound that is not life threatening. The 3rd body could been found unconscious, or that 3rd body could have just woke up. There a number of possibilities of why there wasn't a 3rd dead body.

I haven't read this massive amount if posts quite yet but I would just like to say our mod made a correction and Isaiah did also visit sully. Now time to read all of this.

Um back here on page 41...

I tracked Sully, and boy was it a boring night he didn't go anywhere or visit anyone!

and Sully's confirmation on page 43:

While isaiah was correct when he said I didn't go anywhere

The parrot could not be stabbed because our claimed tracker visited him and therefore that means ng wasn't a shooter.

The parrot was not stabbed because BOTH myself and ghostly were watching sully.

[jak111]

Oh f*ck... please. Everyone shut up for a moment please and thank you. To reply on comments to my observation, it says BODY, not anything else, so should we not know who it is at least? But before I get side tracked here's a comment to both Ghostly's and Isaiah's comments.

To start off, ghostly, either add something useful or stay quiet you constantly say you will add useful info later on and yet I don't ever see it. So either your 'info' is the WIFOM that you pull out of your *ss or you don't bother. (Sorry for putting the swear words boys and girls, for anyone not finds them offensive, and it's not like no one's heard them before).

To Isiah, I respect what you're trying to say to my observation, but I don't think you worded it in a way I can comprehend. It's a bit sketchy.

Now then, for your feature presentation...

If we can take everything we have for 'info' fact wise on everyone let me put this out there. (As in info I mean from actions, not WIFOM posts).

These are the people we have left, so let me post them and what happened to each one that we know of.

SPARTACUS1974
isaiah40 - Tracked Sully, says Sully didn't go anywhere.
thehippo8
Victor Sullivan - Was visited by 3 people, still alive.
Some7hingCLEVER - Blocked Doom
TeeGee
new guy1 - Visited Sully, Sully is still alive.
ghostly447 - Watched Sully, says that ONLY New Guy1 visited.
DoomYoshi - Was blocked by CLEVER
jak111 - (Since I'm a mason I can't do anything and no one did anything to me last night... I hope <.< >.>)
Nebuchadnezer

People I have in Blue are either cleared or close, everyone else is not really at anything at the moment, now let me explain why I cleared who I have.
- All actions are confirmed by other people, Isaiah said he was roleblocked N1, CLEVER said he roleblocked him.
- Ghostly watched Sully, who was visited by New Guy, and Isaiah (Which the MOD said watcher would not see tracker).
- Isaiah tracked Sully, who did not go anywhere last night.
- Isaiah, Ghostly, and New Guy are pretty much cleared because Sully is still alive after being targeted by all of them.
- Sully did not visit anyone last night, while there was a kill attempt on the mafia killer which Kiwi protected, then the killer killed Kiwi (after she saved them). This means Sully didn't visit anyone so it couldn't have been him.
- I cleared myself because I claimed mason, I was masoned with CMS, no one has counter claimed me, and if they try they are mafia.

So, let's see who is left.

SPARTACUS1974
thehippo8 - Had quarrels about Jonty but changed in the end when the town gave up bothering with him. Of course, these were the day before the night of Jonty's death.
TeeGee
DoomYoshi - Was blocked by CLEVER (He's still on this list because he could have been blocked from doing something else, or there's two mafia and he wasn't the one to preform the night action kill).
Nebuchadnezer - Had a brief but somewhat a bit of a fight with my partner, the Doc, CMS the day before the night he died. Also had a brief fight with Kiwi the day before the night that she died.

This is all I have for now, but both Nebuch and Hippo seem scummiest to me, there are more examples but I find it interesting the night the people I mentioned died they had a fight with them. So I am willing to bet one or both of them are mafia. So I am going ahead and I'm going to put an FoS on the both of you.

Here's the feedback I'm looking for.
1.) Who should we vote for.
2.) Other cases that I missed?
3.) Claims from them.
4.) A plan to set up for today, tonight and tomorrow.

Here's my plan, if we decide to lynch either of them, which I'll need both Ghostly and Isaiah to work with me here.
1.) We lynch one of them.
2.) Tonight Isaiah tracks the remaining one, and Ghostly watches Isaiah.
3.) Whether the remaining one goes anywhere or attacks one of them the other can tell us what happened.
4.) We lynch the other tomorrow if it does show up that it happened.

Mind you I am not dead locked on this plan, but it's one I feel we can find much out about ^^. Who else after reading what I've said feels that these two are scumtaculous?

[isaiah40]

I agree with jak on this, and on the plan. So for now I will unvote, vote hippo. Let's apply some pressure here and see where it goes, unless hippo you want to claim now!?

[ghostly447]

I guess the only thing I can say is that your evidence doesnt completely clear anyone, but it is a decent case and I am willing to see where it goes. The only other thing I can add is my questioning of if our plan of watching and tracking changes to whatever we want should neither prove guilty? Then we are 2 more down to mafia and thats not something I like the sound of.

[thehippo8]

Actually, I'm happy to claim whenever. I can see jak's point and I'd probably say the same thing. I've brought it on myself! But I'm proud of who I am so bring it on.

Given that this day would get rediculously long if I played coy and simply waited for sensible people to vote me, I will save you the grief. I have nothing to hide anyway!

So ... following the rules: My name is Captain of the Queen's Bounty. My role is Captain the crew by means of me two pistols, if ye catch me drift! My abilities include night protection and two bullets to use for my guns at night.

I picked out Leehar on night one as scum for sure and had no problem losing some lead his way.

In day two, everyone was fractionated and it was hard to get a pick on who was scum and who was not. Kiwi acted too scummy for my liking and I figured that I was to be any use to town then I had to go with my gut. After all, y'all got suckered in by Leehar on day one. Kiwi acted too much like Leehar for my liking and I made a huge mistake.

But I'm no threat to anyone at night any more and my lot is definitely with town. Don't let's be killing me off just because I killed the doctor!

[isaiah40]

Hmmm ... is that so hippo??

[thehippo8]

Hmmm ... is that so hippo??

You may want to go back to Day two where I hinted at being involved in a night action when I asked if people would be upset if soemone said nothing after Night one's activities. This was why!