HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[dazza2008]

I am not trying to act like I know the lore. I also do not hide behind it as some seem to be doing.

Sparticus is playing a game.

He is good right now. He says he must be killed if and win he turns. He says he can use his ability every other turn. We have at minimum four nights before he may turn, which would be evening 6. By evening 6 if no Mafia have been caught the game would be over by then....so its not like he is NOT a good guy.

The game could well be over before evening 6 So for all practical purposes he is Town.

I saw the movie. Snapes was the reason for Voldamorts downfall at the end.

Yeah but it all depends if he is even telling the truth. He could be scum now could he not? It all sounds a bit fake claimy to me.

[Bleed_Green]

I am not trying to act like I know the lore. I also do not hide behind it as some seem to be doing.

Sparticus is playing a game.

He is good right now. He says he must be killed if and win he turns. He says he can use his ability every other turn. We have at minimum four nights before he may turn, which would be evening 6. By evening 6 if no Mafia have been caught the game would be over by then....so its not like he is NOT a good guy.

The game could well be over before evening 6 So for all practical purposes he is Town.

I saw the movie. Snapes was the reason for Voldamorts downfall at the end.

Yeah but it all depends if he is even telling the truth. He could be scum now could he not? It all sounds a bit fake claimy to me.

I doubt that he is already scum but it could be very true... it is not like he is going to come out and say hey town I have now changed since his WC would have changed also at that point

[dazza2008]

I am not trying to act like I know the lore. I also do not hide behind it as some seem to be doing.

Sparticus is playing a game.

He is good right now. He says he must be killed if and win he turns. He says he can use his ability every other turn. We have at minimum four nights before he may turn, which would be evening 6. By evening 6 if no Mafia have been caught the game would be over by then....so its not like he is NOT a good guy.

The game could well be over before evening 6 So for all practical purposes he is Town.

I saw the movie. Snapes was the reason for Voldamorts downfall at the end.

Yeah but it all depends if he is even telling the truth. He could be scum now could he not? It all sounds a bit fake claimy to me.

I doubt that he is already scum but it could be very true... it is not like he is going to come out and say hey town I have now changed since his WC would have changed also at that point

I never meant that he may have changed already I meant he could have been scum from the start and the whole thing could be fake. It doess seem unlikely though the more I think.

Should we leave him for a few days? How long do we leave him if we do? He even does not know how many nights it takes till he changes so how the hell do we know?

[Iron Butterfly]

When Sparticus was lynched the first time he was lynched because he couldnt keep his role of commuter straight, in essence a vanilla townie, who cant be targeted at night.

Now he is a big liar who has made an elaborate claim?

The way he played while being bandwagoned the first time is completely different between how has made Leehars complete role claim. Sparticus was not given alot of time to learn his role. In my eyes he has been forthcoming.

Again for all you lovers of lore....if the end justifies the means...who ended up helping destroy the deatheaters the most outside of Harry?

[everywhere116]

Again for all you lovers of lore....if the end justifies the means...who ended up helping destroy the deatheaters the most outside of Harry?

Irrelevant. Sparty said he would join them, an judging from his comments, on about day 4 or 5.

[Iron Butterfly]

Again for all you lovers of lore....if the end justifies the means...who ended up helping destroy the deatheaters the most outside of Harry?

Irrelevant. Sparty said he would join them, an judging from his comments, on about day 4 or 5.

We have till day 4 or till perhaps day 6...we do have two more days after tonight.

If he were mafia at heart, and wanted to win as mafia, he would not come out and say he would turn into mafia and must be killed..

Mafia would try and pull the wool over our eyes by with holding that crucial information.

Either you beleive he is telling the truth in his claim or you beleive he is Mafia and that he is lieing. The way he has presented the role claim has convinced me he is telling the truth.

[everywhere116]

I think he is telling the truth....but he's also a threat to the town. His lynch is warranted even if he isn't lying.

[Iron Butterfly]

I think he is telling the truth....but he's also a threat to the town. His lynch is warranted even if he isn't lying.

He is NOT a threat to Town for two more days at minimum. He has warned us he may turn after day 4...if he were a threat he would not say that. The only way one thinks he is a threat is if they think he has Mafias best interest at heart, which by his actions he does not.

The only way one can argue he is a threat tonight is if one beleives he is Mafia from the start and his actions completely suggest otherwise.

[chapcrap]

Again for all you lovers of lore....if the end justifies the means...who ended up helping destroy the deatheaters the most outside of Harry?

Irrelevant. Sparty said he would join them, an judging from his comments, on about day 4 or 5.

We have till day 4 or till perhaps day 6...we do have two more days after tonight.

If he were mafia at heart, and wanted to win as mafia, he would not come out and say he would turn into mafia and must be killed..

Mafia would try and pull the wool over our eyes by with holding that crucial information.

This statement is WIFOM. He could play that either way if he was mafia.

I think he is telling the truth....but he's also a threat to the town. His lynch is warranted even if he isn't lying.

He is NOT a threat to Town for two more days at minimum. He has warned us he may turn after day 4...if he were a threat he would not say that. The only way one thinks he is a threat is if they think he has Mafias best interest at heart, which by his actions he does not.

The only way one can argue he is a threat tonight is if one beleives he is Mafia from the start and his actions completely suggest otherwise.

He may not be a threat to town now, but if he is a day or two, then why wait? He's not going to get more townish later on. We'll just have to lynch him later. I don't see what you don't understand about that...


It's crossed my mind that he could be a jester... Snape died in the series, but that's his WC.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

The thing with Spartacus is that even though he may be town now, he will be mafia later, and therefore has little incentive to help town. He would have to pretty much make sure that mafia is killed off completely before he can win as town, and that is a difficult task (let's say we assume...D5-D6? or so). So we'd have to have a better lynch success rate than normally goes on, and we'd have to have some decent vig kills (if there are any) That is, if he wanted to win as town.

-Tails

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Also, I had some stuff to say for some earlier discussion, before the spartacus wagon here, but I'm at work and don't have my notes. I'll elaborate later, assuming there's no lynch before I'm done working.

-Tails

[spiesr]

The thing with Spartacus is that even though he may be town now, he will be mafia later, and therefore has little incentive to help town. He would have to pretty much make sure that mafia is killed off completely before he can win as town, and that is a difficult task (let's say we assume...D5-D6? or so). So we'd have to have a better lynch success rate than normally goes on, and we'd have to have some decent vig kills (if there are any) That is, if he wanted to win as town.

The alternative option is that he could request to be vigged or something on like night 3 or whenever before he turns so that he can die while still having the town win condition.

[Nebuchadnezer]

UNVOTE leehar/SPARTICUS

[thehippo8]

Why can't he tell us what he did on night one and what he knows? If he can't do that now, or at least explain himself properly, then what's the point in waiting?

FASTPOSTED

[TA1LGUNN3R]

The thing with Spartacus is that even though he may be town now, he will be mafia later, and therefore has little incentive to help town. He would have to pretty much make sure that mafia is killed off completely before he can win as town, and that is a difficult task (let's say we assume...D5-D6? or so). So we'd have to have a better lynch success rate than normally goes on, and we'd have to have some decent vig kills (if there are any) That is, if he wanted to win as town.

The alternative option is that he could request to be vigged or something on like night 3 or whenever before he turns so that he can die while still having the town win condition.

Yeah, if he hadn't claimed already then he could've chosen which side he wanted to win with, depending on how each side had fared up till then. As it stands now, he won't make it to endgame either way.

-Tails

[Iron Butterfly]

The thing with Spartacus is that even though he may be town now, he will be mafia later, and therefore has little incentive to help town. He would have to pretty much make sure that mafia is killed off completely before he can win as town, and that is a difficult task (let's say we assume...D5-D6? or so). So we'd have to have a better lynch success rate than normally goes on, and we'd have to have some decent vig kills (if there are any) That is, if he wanted to win as town.

-Tails

You can still be killed and have Towns best interests. Why would you assume because he ends up turning Deatheater he does not have Wizards best interest until that point?

He has already instructed us to kill him when his Town time is up. If he were Mafia he would have left his transformation out. Chap seems to think that is WIFOM, I look at it as common sense.

Why is everyone scared of day 5 when we are in day 2 going into night 2?

OK I have argued on his usefulness enough...He can give us heeps of info. There are a least 5 Deatheaters who have a vested interest in him being killed.

[thehippo8]

The thing with Spartacus is that even though he may be town now, he will be mafia later, and therefore has little incentive to help town. He would have to pretty much make sure that mafia is killed off completely before he can win as town, and that is a difficult task (let's say we assume...D5-D6? or so). So we'd have to have a better lynch success rate than normally goes on, and we'd have to have some decent vig kills (if there are any) That is, if he wanted to win as town.

-Tails

You can still be killed and have Towns best interests. Why would you assume because he ends up turning Deatheater he does not have Wizards best interest until that point?

He has already instructed us to kill him when his Town time is up. If he were Mafia he would have left his transformation out. Chap seems to think that is WIFOM, I look at it as common sense.

Why is everyone scared of day 5 when we are in day 2 going into night 2?

OK I have argued on his usefulness enough...He can give us heeps of info. There are a least 5 Deatheaters who have a vested interest in him being killed.

And my broken recordstill keeps shouting "we've had one night already ... where's his info?"!!

[everywhere116]

Spartihar is essentially a tritium reaction. His role is unstable, unpredictable, uncontrollable, and if we let him go he will bite us in the ass. This game will not be over by the time he flips, and he will have flipped long before Day 6 comes around (you keep counting his days as town starting from now instead of from the beginning of the game, the logical choice, for some reason.) You also keep saying that only the Death Eaters would have a vested interest in killing him, when he is a powerful investigative role and the Death Eaters would probably want to keep him around to join their ranks. You also assume that he's going to be a good little townie until he flips. Why would he do this if he can anticipate his conversion? He knows he's going to finish the game as scum if he lives that long, he has no reason to help us.

[spiesr]

And my broken recordstill keeps shouting "we've had one night already ... where's his info?"!!

His claim appears to say that he only gets info every other night.

[freezie]

Vote Count:


Nebuchadnezer(2): Dazza, Sparta#2

(l-3)Sparta#2(6): Safari, Thehippo8, Alt, Stike wolf, Chapcrap, everywhere

Everywhere(1): Djfireside

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

[everywhere116]

I revoted Spartihar.

[chapcrap]

I don't feel like the votes should reset anyway. They haven't in other games that I've been in when a player is replaced.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I don't feel like the votes should reset anyway. They haven't in other games that I've been in when a player is replaced.

I agree with Iron on this one. It seems like SPARTICUS could be useful here. I would at least like to give him a night to get an action in, and have him report back to us. The big question here is, did Leehar use his action on N1?

SPARTICUS, please request all actions from the Mod that Leehar performed. If he did not have any, we should expect information tomorrow.

The risk of keeping Snape around is minimal at this point. Who cares, if we'll kill him later...we should use him while we can. If we're lucky, he'll help us catch some mafia before he flips. Also, note that he does not know WHEN he will flip. So, it's in his best interest to help us out now. His clock is ticking, and he wants town to win before we turn on him.

[SPARTACUS1974]

Why can't he tell us what he did on night one and what he knows? If he can't do that now, or at least explain himself properly, then what's the point in waiting?

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again hippo are you still skimming ?
i have said that my actions are everyother night so that means everyOTHER night .not every night .
and i have no power of who i get the info on.
also i cant reveal my wc but turning to a deatheater does not help me

[strike wolf]

The thing with Spartacus is that even though he may be town now, he will be mafia later, and therefore has little incentive to help town. He would have to pretty much make sure that mafia is killed off completely before he can win as town, and that is a difficult task (let's say we assume...D5-D6? or so). So we'd have to have a better lynch success rate than normally goes on, and we'd have to have some decent vig kills (if there are any) That is, if he wanted to win as town.

-Tails

You can still be killed and have Towns best interests. Why would you assume because he ends up turning Deatheater he does not have Wizards best interest until that point?

He has already instructed us to kill him when his Town time is up. If he were Mafia he would have left his transformation out. Chap seems to think that is WIFOM, I look at it as common sense.

Why is everyone scared of day 5 when we are in day 2 going into night 2?

OK I have argued on his usefulness enough...He can give us heeps of info. There are a least 5 Deatheaters who have a vested interest in him being killed.

because he's going to tell us when he flips mafia so we can lynch him then. The whole thing seems like a fake claim to me. I mean it sounds like something someone who skimmed over the wikipedia article might come up with as his fake claim.

Accurate information his role would represent without details.

1. Snape was originally a death eater.
2. He switched sides and joined Dumbledore and The Order of THe Phoenix.
3. He once again became a death eater.

How that information falls apart.

1. Snape was a Death Eater until Voldemort killed the woman he loved and he realized that he was on the wrong side.
2. At this point he joined Dumbledore and promised to protect Harry.
3. He rejoined the Death Eater but was actually a spy for Dumbledore the entire time (Helping Harry find and destroy some of the Horcruxes)

Snape did not just turn evil nor does using Dark Magic turn you evil in the series. Dark Magic is a sign that someone is a Death Eater but not tell all.

Perhaps a vig kill would be more viable but I don't want Mafia potentially messing with who is actually targeted.