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jefjef wrote:Denise wrote:Chariot's report brings new evidence against GLG with written testimony that he is breaking this unwritten rule: Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden.
If it is obvious that any gross abuse of the game is forbidden, and it is obvious to most of us that GLG is abusing the game, then why hasn't something been done about it? Admin's have given themselves the power to stop this sort of thing on a case by case basis. Why do they not take advantage of it? If nothing is done, GLG will continue to drive away business in the form of both new inexperienced players, and experienced disillusioned players. He will continue to promote and flaunt his methods, which cause other players to adopt them.
I hope the C&A mods and the admins will stop this now, by applying the above rule to this case. They have every right to do so, and by doing so would demonstrate their unwillingness to support GLG's methods.
Well I think it's a stretch to claim GLG is driving away any amount of business...
Since CC has repeatedly declared what he is doing as within the rules and there by telling him it is all ok it would be wrong for them to take any kind of disciplinary action in re of this WITHOUT a specific rule change and a friendly request to GLG to follow a specific guideline that they would need to specify so that he may remain within the rules.
In other words tell him to stop the cheap underhanded points harvesting, give him a new guideline, a conquerors rule, to follow and a fair chance for him to follow it - whether we like it or not he has adhered to the rules by not targeting new recruits and has mostly stayed away from cooks and cadets too.
DiM wrote:happy2seeyou wrote:I never got an invite, this is BS
yeah, me neither.
no to mention he's been using MY map for farming and i never got my cut.
GLG i expect a few hundred points by tomorrow or else i'm taking down that map and you'll be forced to farm your points differently.
Chariot of Fire wrote:The best solution may be to do away with the Conqueror title altogether, thereby removing the prestige associated with it (or, more accurately, that should be associated with it) and which has been one of the greatest elements that has encouraged farming & ranching to the detriment of this site.
Regrettably GLG's methods have spawned a host of copycat ranchers, using private 1v1 games via invite to boost their own status (see ViperOverLord for example). Thus a warning to one player doesn't necessarily suffice. A rule change is needed that stipulates anything that is considered unfair or unsporting conduct in the opinion of a panel of moderators shall cease forthwith with a written warning, and that any subsequent infringement will result in a points reset. Simple as that. And if the mods ever have any doubt as to what constitutes improper conduct then they only need listen to the voices of the multitude.
Bruceswar wrote:Freestyle player are far more than 5% I would gander 30% of CC plays freestyle quite often. I am not saying 30% of CC is good at though.
Bruceswar wrote:Just a quick thought... The majority do not give a shit or have never posted about it. The Hardcore people of CC care way more than most.
D00MandD3A7H wrote:ljex 3206 10220 5351 (52%)
King_Herpes 2720 8592 6675 (78%)
demonfork 2044 7283 4928 (68%)
KraphtOne wrote:Bruceswar wrote:Freestyle player are far more than 5% I would gander 30% of CC plays freestyle quite often. I am not saying 30% of CC is good at though.
I'd say less than 1% of cc is "good" at freestyle... and i wouldn't put GLG down as being a 1%er... he just plays settings that are COMPLETELY alien to someone new to the game...
As much as he lives on this site i'm sure he's decent at other settings...
I do think it is unfair that freestyle and sequential are bunched together as the same conqueror. All i'd have to do is foe the 10 people that would have even a chance at beating me at speed mogul and bide my time... so boring though... i end up just playing random or classic so people will actually join my games... can't understand the fun in playing 1 or 2 games a day and being online for 8 hours for the right opponent... but it has been done by at least 3 of the conquerors i saw on the "people that did it without farming" list...
Uncle Death wrote:jefjef wrote:Denise wrote:Chariot's report brings new evidence against GLG with written testimony that he is breaking this unwritten rule: Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden.
If it is obvious that any gross abuse of the game is forbidden, and it is obvious to most of us that GLG is abusing the game, then why hasn't something been done about it? Admin's have given themselves the power to stop this sort of thing on a case by case basis. Why do they not take advantage of it? If nothing is done, GLG will continue to drive away business in the form of both new inexperienced players, and experienced disillusioned players. He will continue to promote and flaunt his methods, which cause other players to adopt them.
I hope the C&A mods and the admins will stop this now, by applying the above rule to this case. They have every right to do so, and by doing so would demonstrate their unwillingness to support GLG's methods.
Well I think it's a stretch to claim GLG is driving away any amount of business...
Since CC has repeatedly declared what he is doing as within the rules and there by telling him it is all ok it would be wrong for them to take any kind of disciplinary action in re of this WITHOUT a specific rule change and a friendly request to GLG to follow a specific guideline that they would need to specify so that he may remain within the rules.
In other words tell him to stop the cheap underhanded points harvesting, give him a new guideline, a conquerors rule, to follow and a fair chance for him to follow it - whether we like it or not he has adhered to the rules by not targeting new recruits and has mostly stayed away from cooks and cadets too.
Well said and a great idea. A Conqueror's rule or set of guidelines is a great idea. We should have a conduct code or a honor system of some sort for the champion that represents us all. Or is that just some idealistic dream? I like to dream.
Jdsizzleslice wrote:Because if no actions is taken, it is showing that any farming/ranching for anyone is LEGAL, there is nothing wrong with it (which there is), and that the MODs will do nothing to stop you in any way.
Chariot of Fire wrote:. . . A rule change is needed that stipulates anything that is considered unfair or unsporting conduct in the opinion of a panel of moderators . . . And if the mods ever have any doubt as to what constitutes improper conduct then they only need listen to the voices of the multitude.
Night Strike wrote:Jdsizzleslice wrote:Because if no actions is taken, it is showing that any farming/ranching for anyone is LEGAL, there is nothing wrong with it (which there is), and that the MODs will do nothing to stop you in any way.
Let's just clear up the fact that it's not the MODs who do nothing on this subject. I'm guessing that if you took a poll of all the mods on this subject, the large majority would be in favor of better rules. And there might even be a majority for a punishment for GLG as the rules currently stand. Since this has to do with the rules of gamplay, only the ADMINs can change those rules. We MODs are ultimately powerless if the admins don't change or clarify the rules.
KraphtOne wrote:D00MandD3A7H wrote:ljex 3206 10220 5351 (52%)
King_Herpes 2720 8592 6675 (78%)
demonfork 2044 7283 4928 (68%)
Let's check out the settings these guys were using for the 100s of games leading up to their title as conqueror...
City Mogul 1vs1 freestyle stats (all have relative rank of noob farmer btw)
Demonfork - 398 from 435(91%) +1765 longest winning streak 86 games
Ljex - 348 from 441(79%) +2077 longest winning streak 41 games
King_Herpes - 2294 from 2372(97%) +6801 longest winning streak 146 games
even I myself was impressed at KH's numbers there... so insane ya find yourself more impressed than mad...
Bruceswar wrote:Freestyle player are far more than 5% I would gander 30% of CC plays freestyle quite often. I am not saying 30% of CC is good at though. There is a difference. With Seq, you can lose before you even move. That never happens in freestyle because you always play at the same time or have the chance to. With that said mistakes show up more in freestyle by far thus giving players who can do it well and mistake free way better odds of winning.
P.S. When CC started all there was, was freestyle.
Bruceswar wrote:Just a quick thought... The majority do not give a shit or have never posted about it. The Hardcore people of CC care way more than most.
Chuuuuck wrote:I hate the fact that for years we have had to have these conversations about nearly every conqueror who has worked his way up the stupid scoreboard. It amazes me that no one on the admin side of things has been smart enough to figure out a way to stop these conqueror's once and for all.
Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:Chariot of Fire wrote:. . . A rule change is needed that stipulates anything that is considered unfair or unsporting conduct in the opinion of a panel of moderators . . . And if the mods ever have any doubt as to what constitutes improper conduct then they only need listen to the voices of the multitude.
ah, a "panel of moderators" and "the multitude":
-created the Salem Witch Trials
-in the deep south of the US would have legalized lynchings of minorities
The problem is "opinion of what is fair and unsporting conduct". Many of you would say bunting/base stealing is unfair/unsporting in US baseball -- only home runs count. Jeeeeeeeez
Gen.LeeGettinhed wrote:Chariot of Fire wrote:. . . A rule change is needed that stipulates anything that is considered unfair or unsporting conduct in the opinion of a panel of moderators . . . And if the mods ever have any doubt as to what constitutes improper conduct then they only need listen to the voices of the multitude.
ah, a "panel of moderators" and "the multitude":
-created the Salem Witch Trials
-in the deep south of the US would have legalized lynchings of minorities
The problem is "opinion of what is fair and unsporting conduct". Many of you would say bunting/base stealing is unfair/unsporting in US baseball -- only home runs count. Jeeeeeeeez
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