HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[spiesr]

Leehar, where are you? At this point it seems that we can't go anywhere without you giving us your claim so we can decide what to do there one way or another. So I would appreciate it if you can back to us sooner rather than later.

[Leehar]

Sorry about that, forgot you needed my claim
I'm Severus Snape and even my role name doesn't seem nice either but it's Wizard Hunter I think.
I can hunt up the description as well if you need it

[dazza2008]

Sorry about that, forgot you needed my claim
I'm Severus Snape and even my role name doesn't seem nice either but it's Wizard Hunter I think.
I can hunt up the description as well if you need it

What can you do? I have never heard of that role. Also what do you mean by "you think"? Surely you know your role. No?

[Djfireside]

I agree, I am unsure what it is you are trying to say you do? You could be called a wizard hunter as the title but what is there is nothing that states what your role is.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Sorry about that, forgot you needed my claim
I'm Severus Snape and even my role name doesn't seem nice either but it's Wizard Hunter I think.
I can hunt up the description as well if you need it

You ' think' you can get that for us? You're at l-2, and you ' think' you can get us all the necessary information we need? Come on Leehar, at least put a little effort into this...

This' claim' does nothing too ease my suspicions...

[Bleed_Green]

I am at a crossroad right now, with the case that was presented against Leehar has been a decent case but with my rereading there are still a few who stood out a scummier then him. But with that weak claim and is wording to me sounds like either I do not care or oops I have been caught here you go but if you want I can go a dig up some more info if you guys wish.

By far this is the worst claim I have ever seen but still with a couple days left to go and I am waiting to see his reply before either moving towards what I have found or voting but I would hurry back with some useful information.

[chapcrap]

It's only a weak claim because he didn't really tell us his full role and capabilities. I would find it really hard to believe that Snape was not in the game. With no counter claim, I don't see how you can lynch Snape, an obvious good guy.

[alt1978]

I would agree with chap...snape would almost certainly have to be in the game. It's worth it to me to wait a day to make sure there are no counter claims. Is this an appropriate point for a mass prod? It seems like a critical moment to me.

Unvote Leehar
(for now...at least until if and when he is counter claimed)

Just to be clear...I UNVOTE

[Iron Butterfly]

Can someone please explain to me why this claim is OK?

Your at L2 and your life is on the line and you know you have to claim, what exactly do you need to dig up? My role PM is in my mailbox titled Harry Potter Role. I click on inbox and click Harry Potter Role...and there it is.

The discription should tell you everything you need to know about your role. This "I dont care"..."Im bored"...whatever it is is silly.

How can you not know what a Wizard Hunter is? GEEZ....

[strike wolf]

I'd have to agree that name claim alone Snape is up there with the strongest claims. He's not only present but significant in each book especially the last three books.

[thehippo8]

What a wearisome weave of curly temperment does't befoul our very souls
when one amongst us doesn't hide the cursed ghouls
but what can we do or say other than dispair
when that very one amongst us turns out true and fair
so reluctantly we turn away from misery and strife
and hold back what would be the bloodiest knife
It seems that we have uncovered our JOAT
so quickly I pull my wand away and doth verrily unvote!

[Nebuchadnezer]

Can someone please explain to me why this claim is OK?

Your at L2 and your life is on the line and you know you have to claim, what exactly do you need to dig up? My role PM is in my mailbox titled Harry Potter Role. I click on inbox and click Harry Potter Role...and there it is.

The discription should tell you everything you need to know about your role. This "I dont care"..."Im bored"...whatever it is is silly.

How can you not know what a Wizard Hunter is? GEEZ....

Agree. The nonchalant attitude is what gets me. Yes....Snape will be in this game...up until the last book you would have said he was death eater...but I would believe he is good. It's the crappy way the claim was laid out that bothers me. And really, which player here doesn't know their role, even without looking at their message?

[Nebuchadnezer]

What a wearisome weave of curly temperment does't befoul our very souls
when one amongst us doesn't hide the cursed ghouls
but what can we do or say other than dispair
when that very one amongst us turns out true and fair
so reluctantly we turn away from misery and strife
and hold back what would be the bloodiest knife
It seems that we have uncovered our JOAT
so quickly I pull my wand away and doth verrily unvote!

Did I miss the joat claim?

[chapcrap]

I agree that the claim was very non chalant and the fact that he doesn't remember his role is odd. However, you can't ignore the claim. Almost certainly in the game and a good guy.

I don't understand why thehippo thinks he is claiming JOAT though. I don't see that claim at all and find it hard to believe from Snape.

[Iron Butterfly]

I agree that the claim was very non chalant and the fact that he doesn't remember his role is odd. However, you can't ignore the claim. Almost certainly in the game and a good guy.

I don't understand why thehippo thinks he is claiming JOAT though. I don't see that claim at all and find it hard to believe from Snape.

ODD??

Click the inbox for Gods sake and look at your PM.

And I would also like to know how Hippo knows Leehar is a JOAT and why?

[everywhere116]

I agree that the claim was very non chalant and the fact that he doesn't remember his role is odd. However, you can't ignore the claim. Almost certainly in the game and a good guy.

I don't understand why thehippo thinks he is claiming JOAT though. I don't see that claim at all and find it hard to believe from Snape.

ODD??

Click the inbox for Gods sake and look at your PM.

And I would also like to know how Hippo knows Leehar is a JOAT and why?

hippo probably just needed something that would rhyme with "vote"

There is no way in hell I'm unvoting after watching Leehar fumble around like that. C'mon...you don't know your role?

[dazza2008]

I always worry about letting a strong character claim off with no questions asked. He has acted very scummy and isn't sure what his role is exactly. Looks like a fakeclaim to me.

Do we know if the scum were given fakeclaims?

[pancakemix]

What little I know of Harry Potter, I know than Snape is important. Hoever, I'm still very disconcerted with the apathy of Leehar and his seeming inability to remember his role (which should be a fairly simple matter).

[spiesr]

One thing that we should probably consider when evaluating Leehar's claim is the possibility of the mafia being given fake claims. Given the detail that players have a section in their pm dealing with their character which they are allowed to quote (and therefor the town will likely demand anyone claiming to do so) I conclude that the scum most likely have been provided with fake characters and the appropriate matching green sections so they won't be screwed should the town ask for theirs.
Since many of the people now backing away from the movement against Leehar appear to be doing so primarily based on the assumption that his character is so important that he must be in the game, I ask that they first consider the following. How can we determine which characters are actually town roles in the game and which fairly important characters have been deliberately left out in order to be used for scum fake-claims? At least think about the possibility of basing your judgement on what to do with Leehar, or anyone who claims, on something more than just what character he claimed.

[thehippo8]

EBWOP Potions master not motions master ... lol.

[thehippo8]

Wow ... talk about FASTPOSTED ... there were four interventions there! Fair point Speisr ... but what do we do? Fakeclaiming would suit the flavour of the game. Hmmm, what do the other's think?

[thehippo8]

I went to quote my previous article and accidentally deleted it by editing (clicked wrong button) ... sorry all.

I'll try and replicate what I said (if I can remember it correctly).

My thoughts were that Snape was potions master and headmaster and master of the dark arts and had other powers, it makes sense he would be a joat on that basis. But if you don't agree then fine. And now of course there is the fakeclaim issuue!

[spiesr]

My thoughts were that Snape was potions master and headmaster and master of the dark arts and had other powers, it makes sense he would be a joat on that basis. But if you don't agree then fine. And now of course there is the fakeclaim issuue!

If you read his post though, he claims to be a "Hunter." While he does not elaborate on what this is and I don't know either, guessing that he is a JOAT make zero amount of sense.
So, did you pay attention to where he claimed enough to see that he claimed a specific role or not?

[chapcrap]

I do agree that the the scum probably have fake claims. I just don't think that Snape would be a fake. I could be wrong.

I also don't know what a hunter is. I would like to know.

[thehippo8]

@ Spiesr & Chap ... I did read "Hunter" but thought that was a flavour claim and not a role claim. Perhaps I was wrong there too! But my point remains that if he is really Snape then he is important, hence my unvote. But the more we chat and the less he responds, the bigger the hole he digs for himself!