HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[safariguy5]

There is a sixth possible scenario (and I'm delving into flavor again, my apologies) that Harry will be revived after a set period of time.

But back to the possible scenarios, I'm willing to take the fall for this one if nobody believes me. I have to believe we have other protective roles anyways, and assuming we don't out any other town power roles today, I'm probably going to be high on the mafia kill list anyways. Not necessarily saying that two wrongs make a right, but I understand how Harry dying makes me look bad.

[thehippo8]

There is a sixth possible scenario (and I'm delving into flavor again, my apologies) that Harry will be revived after a set period of time.

But back to the possible scenarios, I'm willing to take the fall for this one if nobody believes me. I have to believe we have other protective roles anyways, and assuming we don't out any other town power roles today, I'm probably going to be high on the mafia kill list anyways. Not necessarily saying that two wrongs make a right, but I understand how Harry dying makes me look bad.

I'm not prepared to loose you just yet.

I repeat my suggestion in case y'all didn't get it first time. Consider this. A roleblocks B. C protects Harry. Someone switches C with B. Therefore A blocks C and Harry looses his protection. Mafia go for the kill on Harry knowing that Harry has lost his protection. That makes the busdriver mafia. A more likely scenario IMHO. Assuming Safari is C, then it's not his fault. The questions worth asking is what was B doing, if B wasn't busy killing Harry? The second question is who is A and why did they block B. One key to uunravelling this is finding out more info from Saf. If we had a town watcher/investigator then some informaiton from there would be helpful also. But I'm not keen on loosing Safari just yet, certainly not without more information.

[dazza2008]

Busdriver seems the most likely to me as i would expect more than just Saf to have protected Jonty.

The only other thing I can think of is some kind of scum role that can kill even if his target is protected.

That seems unlikely so to me there must have been busdriver involved.

[Iron Butterfly]

I would think that with Harry Potter exposed and the body guard claimed and stating his night actions both of them had to be targeted with protective and investigative roles. Someone has got additional information. The thing is it would be foolish to expose thermselves right away so they cant just say, "such and such visited such and such." A bus driver would complicate it as well.

I am not a reader of the books BUT a busdriver makes completes sense considering the role of a Bus in the movies.

I have no doubt other town players have a piece of the puzzle.

[Leehar]

I'll concede that I might have been a bit hasty in trying to get the driver to tell us who he switched. I will admit, I was a little shocked and frustrated that a driver would switch jonty when he knew that he was going to be protected anyway. The only thing it did was to put jonty in danger, and we got the worst case scenario.

But I assure you, he must have been driven.

The only reason I think Bus-driving is unlikely, is because it would mess with the killers targeting as well? So if they were aiming for harry, a mafia roleblocking saf could have done it if there wasn't any protection, and I suppose Mafia could also have driven Jonty and some other person they targeted in order to get the kill on him, but I think that may have made things a bit more convoluted that I doubt they'd go with it?

[chapcrap]

I am agreeing with Leehar and with strike about a busdriver being unlikely.

The only that works is to have a mafia busdriver, which can easily happen, but doesn't really fit the flavor much and gives a lot of advantage to the Death Eaters, IMO.

To expand on saf's flavor filled 6th scenario, Harry could have given himself up, knowing that it is the only was to kill Voldemort. You have to kill the horcruxes first and Harry was one of the horcruxes. The problem with this scenario is how it fits into a mafia game. It doesn't seem like it it would. And it seems like if that were the case, Harry should have waited until other horcruxes were dead, ie Nagini.

[Djfireside]

I tend to go against the busdriving but cant rule it out because there could be someone who thought they were helping and messed it up somehow.

Myself I tend to go for roleblock but that leaves a few questions. I never liked the bodyguard role because moreover its turned up as a fakeclaim. However lets go through the point of what could have happened and since I would have assumed there was a doc. Did the doc try to protect Safari to try for a chain? With Harry exposed I dont know how all powers werent on it and I can believe safari was roleblocked because he was known so there must have been a breakdown.

The only other point that could happen is safari is a deatheater and claimed bodyguard to keep town in false sense and have everyone else back off with a easy kill.

Im leaning more towards doc just didnt play along rather than the other two but popping out with the bodyguard claim shortly afterwards leaves me a bit uneasy.

[mc05025]

Too many scenarios and too many guesses.

Maybe someone innocent have informations from the night that benefit more the wizards than the deatheaters. Think a lot before reveal informations but do that if you think it worth it, because we have no concrete evidence for someone.

I beleive we have no evidence from the night. We should select someone to Lynch considering Tonks death.

I think that 10 people voting someone are too much. Maybe the Hippo is a scum and so deatheaters voted the other part to save him?

[spiesr]

I'm not prepared to loose you just yet.

I repeat my suggestion in case y'all didn't get it first time. Consider this. A roleblocks B. C protects Harry. Someone switches C with B. Therefore A blocks C and Harry looses his protection. Mafia go for the kill on Harry knowing that Harry has lost his protection. That makes the busdriver mafia. A more likely scenario IMHO. Assuming Safari is C, then it's not his fault. The questions worth asking is what was B doing, if B wasn't busy killing Harry? The second question is who is A and why did they block B. One key to uunravelling this is finding out more info from Saf. If we had a town watcher/investigator then some informaiton from there would be helpful also. But I'm not keen on loosing Safari just yet, certainly not without more information.

Your suggestion doesn't make any sense. It assumes that the mafia had both a bus-driver and role-blocker and then proceeded to use them in one of the least efficient ways I can think of. Also, why are you asking what B was up to, when is this scenario B is literally any player/role in the game, and his actions are irrelevant to anything else in the scenario.

[Bleed_Green]

Assuming that Saf. is a bodyguard and did what he said and protected Jonty that gives us an idea of possible roles that mafia has. I am hoping that Jonty was able to guess who "the one that shall not be named" and that is the reason for his death to only come back and kill him.. slightly far fetched for a mafia game but happens in HP.

Saf stating that lynch him to prove himself is hard to decipher since he claimed bodyguard and HP was killed this could be possible ploys to keep people off of his tail but very hard to prove.

But MC now you have my suspicion perked, with a 14 day deadline you come straight in saying there is no concrete evidence lets just find someone to lynch for the sake of lynching them cause then state that 10 people to make a lynch is to much. Why are you looking for a quick lynch? What information is it that you might be holding that you want to get back to night so quickly?

Your remarks stand out to be completely scummy FOS MC05025

Too many scenarios and too many guesses.

Maybe someone innocent have informations from the night that benefit more the wizards than the deatheaters. Think a lot before reveal informations but do that if you think it worth it, because we have no concrete evidence for someone.

I beleive we have no evidence from the night. We should select someone to Lynch considering Tonks death.

I think that 10 people voting someone are too much. Maybe the Hippo is a scum and so deatheaters voted the other part to save him?

[mc05025]

Assuming that Saf. is a bodyguard and did what he said and protected Jonty that gives us an idea of possible roles that mafia has. I am hoping that Jonty was able to guess who "the one that shall not be named" and that is the reason for his death to only come back and kill him.. slightly far fetched for a mafia game but happens in HP.

Saf stating that lynch him to prove himself is hard to decipher since he claimed bodyguard and HP was killed this could be possible ploys to keep people off of his tail but very hard to prove.

But MC now you have my suspicion perked, with a 14 day deadline you come straight in saying there is no concrete evidence lets just find someone to lynch for the sake of lynching them cause then state that 10 people to make a lynch is to much. Why are you looking for a quick lynch? What information is it that you might be holding that you want to get back to night so quickly?

Your remarks stand out to be completely scummy FOS MC05025

1) I was the one defending Spartacus when people voted for him. I am the least suspicious from all players at that game.
2) Search for a quick Lynch??? not at all. I did not voted, I did not say to go for a quick lynch. Actually, exactly the opposite. I said if someone have something from N1 to think if he should tell it. I just said we should base our voted at evidence from the D1 and not from N1 because we have nothing concrete from N1
3) My role is not strong, but I can prove I am wizard during the day if needed. Do not make me do that
4) I beleive scums voted spartacus or they did not vote at all. You did not vote at all which is suspicious. Are you afraid or something? You did not have opinion?

Because of 2 your post is totally wrong. Why posting something like that?

[Bleed_Green]

Because of 2 your post is totally wrong. Why posting something like that?

I beleive we have no evidence from the night. We should select someone to Lynch considering Tonks death.
him?

Because of the above. You are completely dismissing what happened at night stating that there is no evidence but there is. Harry Potter died, Safaria claimed bodyguard and stated that he protected HP but he still died. The evidence would point to some possibilities, a fake claim from Saf, possible Bus Driver, possible role blocker.

If you would have stated that you could not come to a conclusion from the nights events and that maybe someone seen something on Day 1 that they would like to bring forward, but you did none of this just right away said lets look for a lynch.

4) I beleive scums voted spartacus or they did not vote at all. You did not vote at all which is suspicious. Are you afraid or something? You did not have opinion?

I FOS'd to bring to the front what you had said give you a chance to clarify what you said and what others seen from that comment and D1 actions so definitely do not start claiming anything to much information has been leaked already. I am treading for carefully before I jump to conclusions because of what happened on D1. I misinterpreted what Neb said and I did not want to do it again and I thought I had a solid case against Jonty which totally F'd things up especially from this I am being extremely careful with all the evidence that I find. I did not vote for Spartacus as I had stated I believed is claim to be plausible but by the time I got back from snowboarding/hospital he was already lynched.

[safariguy5]

Assuming that Saf. is a bodyguard and did what he said and protected Jonty that gives us an idea of possible roles that mafia has. I am hoping that Jonty was able to guess who "the one that shall not be named" and that is the reason for his death to only come back and kill him.. slightly far fetched for a mafia game but happens in HP.

Saf stating that lynch him to prove himself is hard to decipher since he claimed bodyguard and HP was killed this could be possible ploys to keep people off of his tail but very hard to prove.

But MC now you have my suspicion perked, with a 14 day deadline you come straight in saying there is no concrete evidence lets just find someone to lynch for the sake of lynching them cause then state that 10 people to make a lynch is to much. Why are you looking for a quick lynch? What information is it that you might be holding that you want to get back to night so quickly?

Your remarks stand out to be completely scummy FOS MC05025

1) I was the one defending Spartacus when people voted for him. I am the least suspicious from all players at that game.
2) Search for a quick Lynch??? not at all. I did not voted, I did not say to go for a quick lynch. Actually, exactly the opposite. I said if someone have something from N1 to think if he should tell it. I just said we should base our voted at evidence from the D1 and not from N1 because we have nothing concrete from N1
3) My role is not strong, but I can prove I am wizard during the day if needed. Do not make me do that
4) I beleive scums voted spartacus or they did not vote at all. You did not vote at all which is suspicious. Are you afraid or something? You did not have opinion?

Because of 2 your post is totally wrong. Why posting something like that?

That's a WIFOM statement. So is number 4. Scum will defend town members to appear townish because scum know who is guilty and who isn't. We don't know who mafia is, so it's just as likely that some scum voted for Sparticus and some didn't.

Also, just because you can prove you're a wizard doesn't say much. Death Eaters are wizards too. If you can prove you're NOT a wizard, that might be something.

[jonty125]

I died heroically and am now talking to Dumbledore at Kings Cross Station

[mc05025]

Assuming that Saf. is a bodyguard and did what he said and protected Jonty that gives us an idea of possible roles that mafia has. I am hoping that Jonty was able to guess who "the one that shall not be named" and that is the reason for his death to only come back and kill him.. slightly far fetched for a mafia game but happens in HP.

Saf stating that lynch him to prove himself is hard to decipher since he claimed bodyguard and HP was killed this could be possible ploys to keep people off of his tail but very hard to prove.

But MC now you have my suspicion perked, with a 14 day deadline you come straight in saying there is no concrete evidence lets just find someone to lynch for the sake of lynching them cause then state that 10 people to make a lynch is to much. Why are you looking for a quick lynch? What information is it that you might be holding that you want to get back to night so quickly?

Your remarks stand out to be completely scummy FOS MC05025

1) I was the one defending Spartacus when people voted for him. I am the least suspicious from all players at that game.
2) Search for a quick Lynch??? not at all. I did not voted, I did not say to go for a quick lynch. Actually, exactly the opposite. I said if someone have something from N1 to think if he should tell it. I just said we should base our voted at evidence from the D1 and not from N1 because we have nothing concrete from N1
3) My role is not strong, but I can prove I am wizard during the day if needed. Do not make me do that
4) I beleive scums voted spartacus or they did not vote at all. You did not vote at all which is suspicious. Are you afraid or something? You did not have opinion?

Because of 2 your post is totally wrong. Why posting something like that?

That's a WIFOM statement. So is number 4. Scum will defend town members to appear townish because scum know who is guilty and who isn't. We don't know who mafia is, so it's just as likely that some scum voted for Sparticus and some didn't.

Also, just because you can prove you're a wizard doesn't say much. Death Eaters are wizards too. If you can prove you're NOT a wizard, that might be something.

Obviously you are right. Otherwise I would have already voted. But if Hippo is a scum then I think deatheaters will most likely not voted for him.

When saying wizard I mean townie. Sorry for that mistake, I forgot deatheaters are wizards too

[safariguy5]

I died heroically and am now talking to Dumbledore at Kings Cross Station

Come back! Don't follow the light!

[Iron Butterfly]

What I find funny is that I was under the impression that if Harry targeted a player and it was Voldemort, Voldemort would be killed. Harry /Jonty also said his ability was able to trigger end game.

One would also think that the same would hold true if Voldemort kills Harry. I was under the impression that only Voldemort could kill Harry, at least that is the lore?

So either Voldamort killed Harry and we did not hit end game or someone else killed harry and like Sadari suggested he may rise again.

[mc05025]

What I find funny is that I was under the impression that if Harry targeted a player and it was Voldemort, Voldemort would be killed. Harry /Jonty also said his ability was able to trigger end game.

One would also think that the same would hold true if Voldemort kills Harry. I was under the impression that only Voldemort could kill Harry, at least that is the lore?

So either Voldamort killed Harry and we did not hit end game or someone else killed harry and like Sadari suggested he may rise again.

Yes, that is a possibility. To rise again. Like the books...
But it does not really make any difference to the game play of D2

[chapcrap]

What I find funny is that I was under the impression that if Harry targeted a player and it was Voldemort, Voldemort would be killed. Harry /Jonty also said his ability was able to trigger end game.

One would also think that the same would hold true if Voldemort kills Harry. I was under the impression that only Voldemort could kill Harry, at least that is the lore?

So either Voldamort killed Harry and we did not hit end game or someone else killed harry and like Sadari suggested he may rise again.

Yeah, because someone who wasn't a Death Eater or Voldemort would kill Harry.

Also, Voldemort is the one who "killed" Harry when he came back to life.

I died heroically and am now talking to Dumbledore at Kings Cross Station

I'm not sure if this is just talking from the grave or if he is coming back. That is what happens in the book and movie. Harry gets killed, has a dream like thing where he talks to Dumbledore at King's Cross and then decides to come back and fight Voldemort instead of dying.

[thehippo8]

What I find funny is that I was under the impression that if Harry targeted a player and it was Voldemort, Voldemort would be killed. Harry /Jonty also said his ability was able to trigger end game.

One would also think that the same would hold true if Voldemort kills Harry. I was under the impression that only Voldemort could kill Harry, at least that is the lore?

So either Voldamort killed Harry and we did not hit end game or someone else killed harry and like Sadari suggested he may rise again.

What he actually said was ...

OK guys, sorry I haven't posted in a bit my sis' birthday party & my internet connection has caused me to miss 48 hours but I am Harry Potter (Wizard Hero) . Every night I may "investigate" someone if they are Voldemort, they die, we win. Going to have another read of the pages since m...

That means that he had to investigate and find Voldemort. Assuming he investigated, he didn't find Voldemort. Had he found Voldemort then we win! We havn't won yet, so it's simple logic. I assume that you are right that only Voldemort can kill Harry, and we can take it from that Voldemort killed Harry. I think your statement is incredibly scummy therefore ... unvote vote Iron Butterfly

[Iron Butterfly]

What I find funny is that I was under the impression that if Harry targeted a player and it was Voldemort, Voldemort would be killed. Harry /Jonty also said his ability was able to trigger end game.

One would also think that the same would hold true if Voldemort kills Harry. I was under the impression that only Voldemort could kill Harry, at least that is the lore?

So either Voldamort killed Harry and we did not hit end game or someone else killed harry and like Sadari suggested he may rise again.

What he actually said was ...

OK guys, sorry I haven't posted in a bit my sis' birthday party & my internet connection has caused me to miss 48 hours but I am Harry Potter (Wizard Hero) . Every night I may "investigate" someone if they are Voldemort, they die, we win. Going to have another read of the pages since m...

That means that he had to investigate and find Voldemort. Assuming he investigated, he didn't find Voldemort. Had he found Voldemort then we win! We havn't won yet, so it's simple logic. I assume that you are right that only Voldemort can kill Harry, and we can take it from that Voldemort killed Harry. I think your statement is incredibly scummy therefore ... unvote vote Iron Butterfly

The point I was trying to make was that Harry is dead and the game still continues while Harry said that if he finds and kills Voldamort the game would be over. If Voldamort killed Harry why is the game still going? Its WIFO... we do not know Voldamorts win condition but one would assume its the same as Harries.

I guess you need somthing to take tye focus off your irratic behavior from yesterday. I would like you to explain why my statement is scummy.

[Nebuchadnezer]

While Harry was the ultimate quick win player, beyond that, he didn't have much in the way of power. So, we need to get past his loss and move on with the rest of the town here.

The best option to me is to go for our "body guard." He really does no good without knowing the power roles to protect anyway. He'd just be flailing around in the dark protecting on hunches. If he did succeed in protecting anyone, it wouldn't matter anyway, as that gives us no clue as to who he protected, and therefore doesn't clear anyone. I will agree that it is a good mafia claim, as even if a tracker (watcher) targeted him, he could still target Harry and we'd be no wiser to if he was mafia targeting him, mafia busdriver targeting him, or an actual body guard protecting him. Rather fool proof.

Given that he didn't protect Harry last night, I'm willing to test his claim.

VOTE SAFARIGUY

[spiesr]

The best option to me is to go for our "body guard." He really does no good without knowing the power roles to protect anyway. He'd just be flailing around in the dark protecting on hunches. If he did succeed in protecting anyone, it wouldn't matter anyway, as that gives us no clue as to who he protected, and therefore doesn't clear anyone.

Well, the point of a bodyguard role isn't to clear anyone. Rather it is to act as a meat-shield to buy fellow town players (particularly power roles) an extra day of life. At this exact moment he may not know who to protect, but if a town power role is forced to claim then he can protect that person to either buy them another day, or scare the scum away from killing that person.

I will agree that it is a good mafia claim, as even if a tracker (watcher) targeted him, he could still target Harry and we'd be no wiser to if he was mafia targeting him, mafia busdriver targeting him, or an actual body guard protecting him. Rather fool proof.

If a tracker tracks a bodyguard to a target, and then the target turns up dead and the bodyguard doesn't, then it is clear that the bodyguard was not actually a bodyguard. If a tracker tracks a bodyguard to someone who doesn't die then we don't know anything beyond that the bodyguard didn't (successfully) kill the target.

[everywhere116]

While Harry was the ultimate quick win player, beyond that, he didn't have much in the way of power. So, we need to get past his loss and move on with the rest of the town here.

The best option to me is to go for our "body guard." He really does no good without knowing the power roles to protect anyway. He'd just be flailing around in the dark protecting on hunches. If he did succeed in protecting anyone, it wouldn't matter anyway, as that gives us no clue as to who he protected, and therefore doesn't clear anyone. I will agree that it is a good mafia claim, as even if a tracker (watcher) targeted him, he could still target Harry and we'd be no wiser to if he was mafia targeting him, mafia busdriver targeting him, or an actual body guard protecting him. Rather fool proof.

Given that he didn't protect Harry last night, I'm willing to test his claim.

VOTE SAFARIGUY

I don't like this. At all.

[safariguy5]

While Harry was the ultimate quick win player, beyond that, he didn't have much in the way of power. So, we need to get past his loss and move on with the rest of the town here.

The best option to me is to go for our "body guard." He really does no good without knowing the power roles to protect anyway. He'd just be flailing around in the dark protecting on hunches. If he did succeed in protecting anyone, it wouldn't matter anyway, as that gives us no clue as to who he protected, and therefore doesn't clear anyone. I will agree that it is a good mafia claim, as even if a tracker (watcher) targeted him, he could still target Harry and we'd be no wiser to if he was mafia targeting him, mafia busdriver targeting him, or an actual body guard protecting him. Rather fool proof.

Given that he didn't protect Harry last night, I'm willing to test his claim.

VOTE SAFARIGUY

Again, like I said, two wrongs don't make a right. All I can say is that I did target jonty to protect, but again, it's not like mafia didn't know who I was because I claimed. Honestly, all you have on me is that jonty died, and there are several possible reasons why that happened. While me "flailing around in the dark" is all well and good, you also realize I do have a small chance of saving the mafia NK right? Considering we probably have other protective and investigative roles, my death could be a lot more useful than a lazy town lynch on Day 2.