HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[everywhere116]

I'm predicting this game will have a difficult time getting anyone lynched.

Indeed. I think that they are both scum, and would like to see them both lynched eventually, but we absolutely cannot split the vote. You must always be careful of that. Sparty was 1 vote away from being lynched, now the vote is split almost down the middle. We're not going to lynch anyone like this, folks. freezie said that if the deadline hits and there is no majority because of an impasse, we won't get a lynch at all. Thanks for letting them both off.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Meh...I don't like SPARTY or Hippo for their play, but they have been posting and making themselves marks. Mafia doesn't put that big of a target out there early on. However, here are some players that aren't actually doing a whole lot...

TAILS...I'm not even sure he has more than 5 posts. He's not adding anything to this game.
Drake...same here. Very unmemorable posts. He's not adding anything to this game.
Chap Crap...He's posted quite a bit...but all of it is meta, and who should be in and who's bad, and what 3rd parties could be here...which really adds nothing to this game, except to pull attention away from cases and speculate about who is in the game. I understand he may be a big HP junkie, but his speculation has actually taken away from gameplay and caused many diverting conversations about apparating and hogwarts...blah, blah, blah.

I'd feel much better about TAILS or Drake getting the rope today after reading through. Probably more TAILS as he is a veteran (?) and should know better...or he does know to lay low and let town kill itself.

Those are my thoughts. Am I off? Anyone concur?

[chapcrap]

Meh...I don't like SPARTY or Hippo for their play, but they have been posting and making themselves marks. Mafia doesn't put that big of a target out there early on. However, here are some players that aren't actually doing a whole lot...

TAILS...I'm not even sure he has more than 5 posts. He's not adding anything to this game.
Drake...same here. Very unmemorable posts. He's not adding anything to this game.
Chap Crap...He's posted quite a bit...but all of it is meta, and who should be in and who's bad, and what 3rd parties could be here...which really adds nothing to this game, except to pull attention away from cases and speculate about who is in the game. I understand he may be a big HP junkie, but his speculation has actually taken away from gameplay and caused many diverting conversations about apparating and hogwarts...blah, blah, blah.

I'd feel much better about TAILS or Drake getting the rope today after reading through. Probably more TAILS as he is a veteran (?) and should know better...or he does know to lay low and let town kill itself.

Those are my thoughts. Am I off? Anyone concur?

First off, it's more work to type my name incorrectly, like you did than to type it correctly.

Secondly, your wrong about my posts. While I am a big HP fan, any meta that I added was just a player list and answering questions and correcting people who are wrong. Seems to me that people who say things incorrectly, especially when claiming, probably are up to something. So, it should be pointed out.

Furthermore, I have more posts than just those posts anyway. AND you say that making a lot of posts draws attention, so they probably aren't scum. Haven't I done that? I'm pretty sure I've posted quite a lot. And it is super great and someone who has already been prodded twice on Day 1 says that activity isn't scummy...and then contradicts himself by accusing me in the same post.

Well done, you're even scummier now than you were before.

[freezie]

Vote Count

L-3Spartacus(7): Spiesr, Alt, safari, Everywhere, Strike, Dazza, Jonty

Strike(1): Drake

TheHippo8(4): McHammer, Spartacus, Iron, Leehar, Chapcrap


With 18 alives, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline in 24 hours. As Everywhere pointed out, this will definitly be considered an Impasse and there will be no lynch tonight if a concensus is not reached.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Meh...I don't like SPARTY or Hippo for their play, but they have been posting and making themselves marks. Mafia doesn't put that big of a target out there early on. However, here are some players that aren't actually doing a whole lot...

TAILS...I'm not even sure he has more than 5 posts. He's not adding anything to this game.
Drake...same here. Very unmemorable posts. He's not adding anything to this game.
Chap Crap...He's posted quite a bit...but all of it is meta, and who should be in and who's bad, and what 3rd parties could be here...which really adds nothing to this game, except to pull attention away from cases and speculate about who is in the game. I understand he may be a big HP junkie, but his speculation has actually taken away from gameplay and caused many diverting conversations about apparating and hogwarts...blah, blah, blah.

I'd feel much better about TAILS or Drake getting the rope today after reading through. Probably more TAILS as he is a veteran (?) and should know better...or he does know to lay low and let town kill itself.

Those are my thoughts. Am I off? Anyone concur?

First off, it's more work to type my name incorrectly, like you did than to type it correctly.

Secondly, your wrong about my posts. While I am a big HP fan, any meta that I added was just a player list and answering questions and correcting people who are wrong. Seems to me that people who say things incorrectly, especially when claiming, probably are up to something. So, it should be pointed out.

Furthermore, I have more posts than just those posts anyway. AND you say that making a lot of posts draws attention, so they probably aren't scum. Haven't I done that? I'm pretty sure I've posted quite a lot. And it is super great and someone who has already been prodded twice on Day 1 says that activity isn't scummy...and then contradicts himself by accusing me in the same post.

Well done, you're even scummier now than you were before.

I actually said you were rather active. It was the content of your posts that I was questioning. It's clear to me that mafia like to run interference with information and things that don't actually advance the game. While I found your summaries and word definitions informational, I realized that it caused everyone else to get side-tracked.

Again, you are trying to play the mod. The mod may interpret the roles differently than you. The fact that freezie thinks Tonks could be animorpha-expialadocious has nothing to do with what you think she should be.

Call me scummy, I don't care. I just feel that I have to put something out there for discussion as the deadline is approaching. You'll also notice that I put TAILS and drake as my possible votes...but it's nice to get a reaction from you...

(fastposted by Freezie with the vote count...I guess it may be too late to get a case on TAILS or Drake going today...ugh...what to do?)

[Bleed_Green]

I have to agree with everything that Neb has stated, I was given tails and drake the benefit of the doubt since a few of the senior players have mentioned that they are usually pretty quite but when the post,, the post a lot with details and things that they have observed but unfortunately we are now under 24 hours looking pretty close to a split vote and their game play is standing out as scummy and I am starting to think that they are using their play style to go unnoticed, but with under 24 hours it might be hard to get any pressure on them and verify their claim or even to get them prodded.

I am going to have to think tonight and post back tomorrow morning bout both cases between Spartacus and Hippo before I go snowboarding. Since both their game play has been way off, I am leaning more towards Hippo because Spartacus I can see his defense as being plausible but this also does not give Hippo really anytime to defend himself.

[SPARTACUS1974]

morning all i have a idea not sure if its a good 1 but what do you think .
as has been stated the only use i will be for town is for voting purpose my night action is of no real help .
because of the confusion with my role wording would it be worth lynching me just to show the rest of you that even though this game is HP that it may not be exactly like in the books or film and there may be some mistakes in some of roles?

but i also agree that some of the other players have been inactive and some just coming in agreeing with other posts ,voting but adding nothing themself.

[thehippo8]

Well since the basis of mthe vote against me is purely on the basis of me following the crowd rather than any real basis, I guess I'm my own worst enemy

But rather than sit on the fence, I'll go back to my original vote and if that causes offence then that's beyond my control.

So a flit and a flick and a bash of my stick I'll let the energy flow and say go to the foe ... vote sparticus

[Iron Butterfly]

Do we have a lack of a majority do to an impass or inactivity?

Im a little confused as to the rule set for reaching a majority. It is stated that the mod will consider it a no lynch if a majority is not reached BUT it is also stated that the one who has the most results will be lynched if it is due to inactivity and not an impass.

Am I wrong? We have 12 votes total...Drake and Tails have been invisible.

[safariguy5]

Do we have a lack of a majority do to an impass or inactivity?

Im a little confused as to the rule set for reaching a majority. It is stated that the mod will consider it a no lynch if a majority is not reached BUT it is also stated that the one who has the most results will be lynched if it is due to inactivity and not an impass.

Am I wrong? We have 12 votes total...Drake and Tails have been invisible.

Yeah, I think a clear majority have voted for sparticus, not sure what more freezie wants.

And yes, a prod on tails and drake would be good, I have seen tails post recently in other threads so he may have forgotten about this game. Drake is just all around less active.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Second, perhaps it is a little scummy, but if you look at my post, I said, "you know how it is jonty"

Why did I say that? Because I have been in multiple games with jonty and we each feel the same way about this and about day 1. Pressure, a lot of times random pressure, is necessary on Day 1 to force claims and look at voting patterns. If our positions in the vote count were switched, I am confident that jonty would have done the same to me. That is why he is hopping from one BW to the next, because he's trying to apply pressure. I don't see that as something that is inherently scummy, especially on Day 1.

The problem with blindly pressuring a random is that it takes all context out of the BW; it then becomes a defense. You can just say, "I was just doing my D1 duty." While it's unavoidable that we'll get random BWs started, we want to mitigate the amount of randomness and pure game mechanics in favor of human interaction; this is where real discussion is made.

So saying that you were just pressuring for pressure's sake, without actual regard for the scuminess of jonty's actions, is akin to General's NL D1 strategy.

UNVOTE JONTY

Based on a town claim I will back off as I got what I was looking for out of the deal. I must admit however that I do find Harry to be a bit underpowered for that role, granted I am now believing there are other powers out there but for the one who will fought he who shall not be named and survived, should have more power than the scar locator but then again who knows.

Well I have the power to endgame N1, so I say I am pretty well powered.

Overpowered if you ask me.

I'm sure there's some system of checks and balances in place.

will add more tomorrow, falling asleep trying to read up.

-tails

[freezie]

Im a little confused as to the rule set for reaching a majority. It is stated that the mod will consider it a no lynch if a majority is not reached BUT it is also stated that the one who has the most results will be lynched if it is due to inactivity and not an impass.

I'll try to make it clearer:

If your all reach a deadline without having the majority needed to lynch someone, there can be either of these 2 results:

-The deadline has been reached because too many people are inactive, yet there -would- be enough to lynch the guy: I will consider the guy lynched a deadline.

-The deadline has been reached and more than enough people were here to cover the lynch, yet you guys could not set your sigh on lynching someone: I will consider it a no lynch


Basicly, I've seen some games were this as a fixed rule ( always no lynch at deadline or always lynch the guy with most votes ) created some problems from either town or mafia.

If you guys want I can announce it earlier if there will be a no lynch at deadline or not.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Well that leaves it open for a judgment call...but at least mafia can't sit back and watch the guy with the most votes die without putting their vote in as well.

[spiesr]

Well that leaves it open for a judgment call...but at least mafia can't sit back and watch the guy with the most votes die without putting their vote in as well.

Too bad then, that the nature of a no lynch scenario and whatnot makes it impossible to distinguish between scum trying to make sure a townie gets lynched and townies trying to avoid a no lynch...

[jonty125]

Come on guys, unite on the case of the man who could not keep his claim straight.

FASTPOSTED by Neb

[jonty125]

Come on guys, unite on the case of the man who could not keep his claim straight.

FASTPOSTED by spiesr

[spiesr]

Come on guys, unite on the case of the man who could not keep his claim straight.
FASTPOSTED by spiesr

Why bother to make another post just to say that you were fast-posted by me? Nothing that my post contains would possibly have changed what you were going to say in any manner...

[jonty125]

Well when i said FASTPOSTED by Neb (I meant you) it meant you posted while I was making my post so I hadn't read it and my information may not make sense anymore. My second post was EBWOP.

[strike wolf]

So are we not lynching Sparta?

[spiesr]

Well when i said FASTPOSTED by Neb (I meant you) it meant you posted while I was making my post so I hadn't read it and my information may not make sense anymore. My second post was EBWOP.

My post was all of two lines long, so why not just read it first to see if it actually changes things in a way which would make an indication that you were fast-posted necessary?

[Iron Butterfly]

Meh...I don't like SPARTY or Hippo for their play, but they have been posting and making themselves marks. Mafia doesn't put that big of a target out there early on. However, here are some players that aren't actually doing a whole lot...

TAILS...I'm not even sure he has more than 5 posts. He's not adding anything to this game.
Drake...same here. Very unmemorable posts. He's not adding anything to this game.
Chap Crap...He's posted quite a bit...but all of it is meta, and who should be in and who's bad, and what 3rd parties could be here...which really adds nothing to this game, except to pull attention away from cases and speculate about who is in the game. I understand he may be a big HP junkie, but his speculation has actually taken away from gameplay and caused many diverting conversations about apparating and hogwarts...blah, blah, blah.

I'd feel much better about TAILS or Drake getting the rope today after reading through. Probably more TAILS as he is a veteran (?) and should know better...or he does know to lay low and let town kill itself.

Those are my thoughts. Am I off? Anyone concur?

I was going to comment earlier but got side tracked with the vote question.

I agree 100% with everything you say including the insight on Chap. I have noticed that as well, about posting all the lore. This of course does not make him guilty but it sure as heck is a safe road to take if he is scum.

With Hippo I am now leading toward town...to be mafia and to say you have soft claimed your role and to play the way he has would be silly. I have played with him one other game and we lynched him for just such behaivior and he turned town, though he was lynched for a good reason...my vote is still on him because i am not fully convinced.

I do beleive Sparticus innocent...I will be very pissed if he is lynched and flips scum.

[strike wolf]

Meh...I don't like SPARTY or Hippo for their play, but they have been posting and making themselves marks. Mafia doesn't put that big of a target out there early on. However, here are some players that aren't actually doing a whole lot...

TAILS...I'm not even sure he has more than 5 posts. He's not adding anything to this game.
Drake...same here. Very unmemorable posts. He's not adding anything to this game.
Chap Crap...He's posted quite a bit...but all of it is meta, and who should be in and who's bad, and what 3rd parties could be here...which really adds nothing to this game, except to pull attention away from cases and speculate about who is in the game. I understand he may be a big HP junkie, but his speculation has actually taken away from gameplay and caused many diverting conversations about apparating and hogwarts...blah, blah, blah.

I'd feel much better about TAILS or Drake getting the rope today after reading through. Probably more TAILS as he is a veteran (?) and should know better...or he does know to lay low and let town kill itself.

Those are my thoughts. Am I off? Anyone concur?

I was going to comment earlier but got side tracked with the vote question.

I agree 100% with everything you say including the insight on Chap. I have noticed that as well, about posting all the lore. This of course does not make him guilty but it sure as heck is a safe road to take if he is scum.

With Hippo I am now leading toward town...to be mafia and to say you have soft claimed your role and to play the way he has would be silly. I have played with him one other game and we lynched him for just such behaivior and he turned town, though he was lynched for a good reason...my vote is still on him because i am not fully convinced.

I do beleive Sparticus innocent...I will be very pissed if he is lynched and flips scum.

Eh. Safari was "soft claiming" in Hectic mafia and he turned out to be the mafia role blocker. I really need to go through Hippo's posts to see what I think but I haven't taken the time so far.

[jonty125]

Well when i said FASTPOSTED by Neb (I meant you) it meant you posted while I was making my post so I hadn't read it and my information may not make sense anymore. My second post was EBWOP.

My post was all of two lines long, so why not just read it first to see if it actually changes things in a way which would make an indication that you were fast-posted necessary?

Habit. If someone posts and I've taken time to construct a post I just hit submit then can read new infomation with a clear frame of mind. Also, if someone has said something important and I have to edit my post before I submit I can end up contradicting myself as I haven't been able to think it through properly.

[safariguy5]

I mean, I scan see the noob defense argument for sparticus, but I'm really not seeing the reason for voting hippo. Messing up and denying your roleclaim is pretty scummy in my book, and I'm not about to give sparticus a free pass on that one.

[spiesr]

With Hippo I am now leading toward town...to be mafia and to say you have soft claimed your role and to play the way he has would be silly. I have played with him one other game and we lynched him for just such behavior and he turned town, though he was lynched for a good reason...my vote is still on him because i am not fully convinced.

If he has a (either provided or came up with on his own) a good fake-claim then he can hint at it all he wants and it only helps him...