HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[Iron Butterfly]

and like i said i made mistakes and so has the mod he gave me the animorphagus role but you are that blind you cant even contemplate that he has fooked up with this .
and you also think that you know what characters the mod has chosen well apart from the mod no one does i really do hope that after im dead you stop and think hard before lynching another wizard just because you are sure on what characters should be in this game

This is a Mafia game. You make a mistake or slip up and Mafia will exploit that weakness. They would be stupid not to as that is the way the game is played.

And while I aknowlegde that lore and flavor is part of this game it by no means it should dictate it. Thats my opinion. I am not a fan of Harry Potter in the sense that I live and breath for it. Ive seen the movies.

Now wolf is nitpicking about the animorhphagus role. Its his right and judgement call but in my opinion we have already seen mistakes on the mods part that have affected game play. I am not knocking the mod as Im sure its hard to juggle everything BUT mistakes do happen and we have seen a few.

Someone asked "why are you playing a Harry Potter Game if I dont take Flavor into accounr?" I play because I enjoy Mafia. When the game starts being dictated by flavor it opens the door for all sorts of WIFO arguiments that steer us away from the reality of mafia logic.

The reality is there is a major bandwagon brought on by his own mistakes. I have choosen to beleive him others have not. That is how mafia is played. Its a reality that day 1 lynches are usually mis lynches. SO your cries do not fall on deaf ears sparticus as there is a record of who voted.

Dazza looks real scummy and Hippos over confidence combined with quoting Dazza with the pre hammer really sets the alrm bells off for me.

[thehippo8]

So am I to understand that we are using flavor to decide weather to hang someone? It seems that several folks are judging claims on weather they fit into Harry Potter lore. This is first and foremost a Mafia game NOT a Harry Potter game.

People are talking about teleporting and shape shifting like that some how will determime somthing. Who cares if Dobledoer or Dobby can teleport? Why is that important?

Our mod has made several simple mistakes so far with spelling and color and many have pointed the finger of doom at those on the receiving end.

Personally I dont beleive that the Mod has gone over his game with a fine tooth comb to make sure the lore al connects with each others roles to everyones hearts content.

With Sparticus I tend to beleive him...mistakes and all. I cant beleive people want to hang him because he said animorph instead of somthing else or that shapeshifting take practice or is hereditary? I played a recent game where I made a huge mistake with my role due to human error. I missread my Role and took the color for granted. I got hung for it. There was no defense for it but I was completely innocent.

We are not playing a Harry Potter game with Mafia lore people. The over anylizing to get roles to fit the universe is getting annoying and will work into the favor of Mafia if allowed to continue.

While I agree with Iron that over analyzing this game and the setup and what word was misspelled can lead to a lynch for the wrong reasons, I just can't overlook the evidence against SPARTICUS. His initial role claim was only partial. Then when he tries to describe what he can do, it took him multiple posts. Then he forgets what he is. It just doesn't add up. If he's in fact town, maybe he'll learn from this, but town needs to be up front and truthful in their interactions. He seems to be shielding himself with some cloud of ambiguity, so that nobody is quite sure what's going on. My vote stays.

Hippo is also a good case. That dude jumps all over the place. Perhaps tomorrow we can address him...with pressure.

(fastposted by SPART)

Sorry Iron, but what's the point in having flavour if it means nothing?? If you're not a fan of Harry Potter why did you join this game?? Your comments seems to be attacking the mod rather then considering the game. I am a bit concerned at allt hat and kinda wonder whether that sort of talk is counter-productive to the fun of this game. As an example, you seem to think that animorphagus is synonimous with metamorphagus. That is linguistically inaccurate and kinda misses the point of the theme. So whether you want to take simple logic or you want to look at the flavour - the result all points the same way. Ie, that Spart's claim doesn't add up.

As to me jumping about, I do that - it's day one. What at one point looks promising ends up flitting away. It's hard to grasp onto anything solid on day one - unless someone does something really stupid. I acknowledge that my misreading the vote count was really stupid but not gameplay stupid so irrelevant. Iron call me overconfident, all I can say is thanks because in truth I am always nervous on day one and its interesting to get that feedback!!

Anyway, my vote stands.

[SPARTACUS1974]

i will learn from this and not have a beer while posting lol .
oh and just 1 more thing why i asked the mod if i could ask dazza his role colour was to see if he was fake claiming as i new what colour the wizards were.
like i said before i just quoted my role and got mixed up with commuter and changing apperance i wont do that again

[SPARTACUS1974]

sorry for double post but iron we both know im gonna die whether its by the lynch or i have most votes so do me a favor and bring the hammer down i know you dont want to vote for me but it will take it to night and not drag for 2 more days .
and hippo you are wrong it is a linguistically inaccurate but mods are not perfect

[thehippo8]

sorry for double post but iron we both know im gonna die whether its by the lynch or i have most votes so do me a favor and bring the hammer down i know you dont want to vote for me but it will take it to night and not drag for 2 more days .
and hippo you are wrong it is a linguistically inaccurate but mods are not perfect

Remember the rules - play the game not the mod!

[Iron Butterfly]

So am I to understand that we are using flavor to decide weather to hang someone? It seems that several folks are judging claims on weather they fit into Harry Potter lore. This is first and foremost a Mafia game NOT a Harry Potter game.

People are talking about teleporting and shape shifting like that some how will determime somthing. Who cares if Dobledoer or Dobby can teleport? Why is that important?

Our mod has made several simple mistakes so far with spelling and color and many have pointed the finger of doom at those on the receiving end.

Personally I dont beleive that the Mod has gone over his game with a fine tooth comb to make sure the lore al connects with each others roles to everyones hearts content.

With Sparticus I tend to beleive him...mistakes and all. I cant beleive people want to hang him because he said animorph instead of somthing else or that shapeshifting take practice or is hereditary? I played a recent game where I made a huge mistake with my role due to human error. I missread my Role and took the color for granted. I got hung for it. There was no defense for it but I was completely innocent.

We are not playing a Harry Potter game with Mafia lore people. The over anylizing to get roles to fit the universe is getting annoying and will work into the favor of Mafia if allowed to continue.

While I agree with Iron that over analyzing this game and the setup and what word was misspelled can lead to a lynch for the wrong reasons, I just can't overlook the evidence against SPARTICUS. His initial role claim was only partial. Then when he tries to describe what he can do, it took him multiple posts. Then he forgets what he is. It just doesn't add up. If he's in fact town, maybe he'll learn from this, but town needs to be up front and truthful in their interactions. He seems to be shielding himself with some cloud of ambiguity, so that nobody is quite sure what's going on. My vote stays.

Hippo is also a good case. That dude jumps all over the place. Perhaps tomorrow we can address him...with pressure.

(fastposted by SPART)

Sorry Iron, but what's the point in having flavour if it means nothing?? If you're not a fan of Harry Potter why did you join this game?? Your comments seems to be attacking the mod rather then considering the game. I am a bit concerned at allt hat and kinda wonder whether that sort of talk is counter-productive to the fun of this game. As an example, you seem to think that animorphagus is synonimous with metamorphagus. That is linguistically inaccurate and kinda misses the point of the theme. So whether you want to take simple logic or you want to look at the flavour - the result all points the same way. Ie, that Spart's claim doesn't add up.

As to me jumping about, I do that - it's day one. What at one point looks promising ends up flitting away. It's hard to grasp onto anything solid on day one - unless someone does something really stupid. I acknowledge that my misreading the vote count was really stupid but not gameplay stupid so irrelevant. Iron call me overconfident, all I can say is thanks because in truth I am always nervous on day one and its interesting to get that feedback!!

Anyway, my vote stands.

Please do not distort my position. I have never implied that flavor means nothing. But You ask any vetren mafia player about how flavor will get you killed or lulled into false assumptions and they will most likely agree. THAT is my point. I will not let you turn this into somthing it is not. I like playing Mafia that is why I am playing. You have your opinion and I have mine.

I truly appreciate the time and effort that goes into modding a game and the time Freezie has put into it. However take away Harry Potter flavor and you still have a mafia game that needs balance. I have asked reasonable questions. I have NOT attacked the mod he just took offense to what I said. So I refuse to play nto the "IB is spoiling the fun and being mean to the mod"

Seems to me your trying to demonize me for pointing out behavior I find very scummy regardless of Harry Potter lore.

[SPARTACUS1974]

i played the game so what do i do change what the mod wrote in my role pm just to make it work for you ?
you just cant see that what i quoted was the truth and it seems you dont want to listen i just hope after this lynch you see that if someone get given a role and is told what it is they have to follow it and if it is slightly incorect its not there fault

[thehippo8]

Okay Iron, let's get back to the game, wasn't intended to be personal! Sorry if I got off topic.

[safariguy5]

The way I see it, flavor can help to determine whether a claim is believable. It's a way to either strengthen or weaken a claim. For instance, would it make sense for Mad-Eye Moody (just an example) to be a Wizard Doctor? Or would it make more sense for Madam Pomfrey to be the Wizard Doctor? Conversely, Moody might make a very good vigilante or perhaps bulletproof role. Might even make a good watcher with the eye thing.

So of course we would say that any flavor that doesn't fit a claim would definitely raise a red flag. In Sparticus's case, this flavor spec is secondary to the confusion with the commuter claim. Are mods going to make mistakes? Sure they are. But the player should be clear with his claims as well.

[dazza2008]

oh and just 1 more thing why i asked the mod if i could ask dazza his role colour was to see if he was fake claiming as i new what colour the wizards were.

When did I claim?

[Leehar]

Vote hippo
For good or ill, I sincerely believe Spartacus is town, so I have to go with hippo as the worst of the others.

[chapcrap]

The only animorphagus I am aware of is Sirius Black and he was killed in book five so I don't believe the claim.

I'm still reading the last few pages, but it has been addressed that it is Animagus.

Also, there were obviously others:

Minerva McGonagall: cat
James Potter: large stag
Peter Pettigrew: rat
Rita Skeeter: beetle

I'll continue my reading now.

[chapcrap]

Conversely, Moody might make a very good vigilante or perhaps bulletproof role.

Except for he died...

I think there is too much that doesn't add up with SPART's claim. His actions before the claim were scummy enough, but Tonks was definitely not an Animagus. She could change her hair color. Could she be a commuter role? Maybe, but not with the described information.

[safariguy5]

Conversely, Moody might make a very good vigilante or perhaps bulletproof role.

Except for he died...

I think there is too much that doesn't add up with SPART's claim. His actions before the claim were scummy enough, but Tonks was definitely not an Animagus. She could change her hair color. Could she be a commuter role? Maybe, but not with the described information.

Of course, I was using him as an example to use flavor spec for. Just making a point that flavor spec tends to either strengthen or weaken a claim and can't be discounted, but it shouldn't be used as the sole reason for pushing a case. In this case, it's being used as it should be (Supporting evidence).

[thehippo8]

The only animorphagus I am aware of is Sirius Black and he was killed in book five so I don't believe the claim.

I'm still reading the last few pages, but it has been addressed that it is Animagus.

Also, there were obviously others:

Minerva McGonagall: cat
James Potter: large stag
Peter Pettigrew: rat
Rita Skeeter: beetle

I'll continue my reading now.

Ah, there is a difference between an animagus (effectively a spirit animal) and animorphagus (the ability to change into an animal as in Sirius Black) and a metamorphagus (the ability to turn into anything - supposedly Tonks).

So back tot he game, can we have a head count please mod?

[Nebuchadnezer]

UNVOTE SPARTACUS

[thehippo8]

Yes, agreed ...unvote sparticus

[freezie]

Personally I dont beleive that the Mod has gone over his game with a fine tooth comb to make sure the lore al connects with each others roles to everyones hearts content.

I am going to take offense in that. But I have said enough at this point. So go on with the game.

We are not psychic here. So now we are all to assume that all the charachter roles should fit nice and neat? If we find any discrepencies we can now be safe to lynch? So everyones heart will now be content with the way everything should fall into place?

I wasnt trying to offend or insult I was just trying to state the obvious. Now that you have revealed that you take offense at my comment you have now put bias into the game.

Why would you even say that? Geez...

There is no bias. All I took offense is your finger pointed at me.

[Iron Butterfly]

I have never said you have done a bad job. In fact considering the amount of people involved, the lore involved and the knowlege base of some of the players regarding the HP world youve done a bang up job.

All I did was speak my mind in regards to gameplay. Mistakes are to be expected and you were never faulted for that.

In actuality I have found the game so far very entertaining and interesting as there are those who know the lore inside and out and people such as myself who have only watched the movies and know very little.

I think it would be counter productive to your game to continue your exchange with me in public. If you would like to vent or discuss feel free to PM me as I think that would be best for all amd more productive to the game play.

[Iron Butterfly]

Yes, agreed ...unvote sparticus

Im curious for your reasons for unvoting.

[chapcrap]

The only animorphagus I am aware of is Sirius Black and he was killed in book five so I don't believe the claim.

I'm still reading the last few pages, but it has been addressed that it is Animagus.

Also, there were obviously others:

Minerva McGonagall: cat
James Potter: large stag
Peter Pettigrew: rat
Rita Skeeter: beetle

I'll continue my reading now.

Ah, there is a difference between an animagus (effectively a spirit animal) and animorphagus (the ability to change into an animal as in Sirius Black) and a metamorphagus (the ability to turn into anything - supposedly Tonks).

So back tot he game, can we have a head count please mod?

You're wrong about this. The people I listed are refered to as animagus and they change into animals.

Yes, agreed ...unvote sparticus

Im curious for your reasons for unvoting.

Agreed.

UNVOTE SPARTACUS

Same with you...

@freezie: I don't think you need to be offended. He's just trying to say that flavor should not be fully relied on. And it is clear that there have already been a few discepancies. No big deal.

[Nebuchadnezer]

UNVOTE SPARTACUS

Same with you...

Well, after considering SPARTY's newness to the game, and his arguments and posts, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here. He's been playing like crap for sure, but if his power is what I think it is, then he may be nice to keep around. Plus Hippo has been all over the board, jumping on and off, and he makes me a bit more nervous, right now. I'm not ready to vote Hippo, but it's getting close.

Neb

[spiesr]

Well, after considering SPARTY's newness to the game, and his arguments and posts, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here. He's been playing like crap for sure, but if his power is what I think it is, then he may be nice to keep around.

Assuming that his role is the standard commuter, (has he actually confirmed this?) then the only advantage that his power brings to the town is being harder to kill. By being exposed the usefulness of this power is rather diminished.

[everywhere116]

Well, after considering SPARTY's newness to the game, and his arguments and posts, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here. He's been playing like crap for sure, but if his power is what I think it is, then he may be nice to keep around.

Assuming that his role is the standard commuter, (has he actually confirmed this?) then the only advantage that his power brings to the town is being harder to kill. By being exposed the usefulness of this power is rather diminished.

A very good point. That explanation doesn't really hold up.

I would be willing to vote for hippo under two conditions: We can get enough support to make splitting the vote a non issue (Sparty has 7 and hippo has 3 so far) or it's day two and sparty's already been lynched.

[thehippo8]

Yes, agreed ...unvote sparticus

Im curious for your reasons for unvoting.

General lack of interest in the sparticus case. Also the inceased pressure on me. I thought it easier I keep out of the sparticus case (for now at least) and see whether there becomes a more suitable case. I understand people not liking my jumping between things and hippos have a degree of impatience so its a deeply ingrained character trait For what its worth I've been softclaiming for ages but it's dawned on me that the majority aren't that up with the character in the Deathly Hallows enough for that so I'm going a softly softly for a while. It's against my personal character but maybe its time I listened rather than spoke for a while!!