HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[mc05025]

Either way, it's a stupid play at best.

Vote MC05025

Neb

Hey you can not call me stupid lol. I was the conqueror

I said I beleive he is Harry, just you are not forced to remove all the votes in order if the real harry is someone else to be able to hide his identity. But I do not care abot that anymore because I am sure he is the real Harry so no point...

[Nebuchadnezer]

Either way, it's a stupid play at best.

Vote MC05025

Neb

Hey you can not call me stupid lol. I was the conqueror

I said I beleive he is Harry, just you are not forced to remove all the votes in order if the real harry is someone else to be able to hide his identity. But I do not care abot that anymore because I am sure he is the real Harry so no point...

I'm not even sure what "I was the conqueror" means. Some joke I'm sure...and off-topic. It seems my vote was not official, so...

UNVOTE VOTE mc05025

[mc05025]

Everything we are saying at that chat should have to do with the game?
If so sorry, It's my first-second game I am not very familiar with the official and the unofficial rules

[spiesr]

mc52093029345094875 has me confused as heck here. He says that people took their votes off of Jonty too quickly on the off chance that the "real" Harry would vote for him? Great idea MC12345! Let's keep the votes on Jonty, "just in case" there is a counterclaim from the "real" Harry Potter. Nevermind that mafia could come in an speedhammer perhaps our best and most vital role. Either mc54321 has no concept of the worth of Jonty's claim, or he's mafia trying to cast doubt on Jonty. Either way, it's a stupid play at best.

Depending on exactly how vital his role actually is, if the scum were stupid enough to speed lynch Jonty after his claim then it would probably be worth it to catch them.

[alt1978]

I'm flattered. People are getting pressured for "following me".

so are you gonna help to apply some presure?
and what about you mc05? now is a chance for you to help, you said you have been reading and waiting for something interesting

The death-eaters in Harry Potter all carried a sign or mark on their arms...and all in all they were a very tight knit group. In everyday society they knew who each other were as they mingled with the rest of the cast. It seems likely to me in a mafia game that from the outset...the death-eaters would know who each other are. Therefore I think you have to look at who is pushing for blood to find the scum. If in the randomness of band-wagoning on to one character or another...the pin-point of pressure falls on someone a death-eater knows is not a death-eater...then at the moment they are going to pile on and drive the show. I don't think spartacus knew that jonty was harry...but i think he knew he wasn't one of them.

Once the target falls on another...the process is then repeated.

There is also the baseline that spartacus laid on page 14 or so when he talks of bandwagoning as a necessary evil...and then his fos at mc also stands out.

I don't have an opinion yet on day one band-wagoning...but this to me looks less like band-wagoning and pressure and a lot more like active hunting with an agenda.

Unvote/ Vote Spartacus

[thehippo8]

Okay, joke vote and bandwagoning at an end - unvote cause ned's back on the trend.

Gather round and listen up! MC's actions don't tally up!

Softclaims a deatheater:

lol guys. mc05025 is my old student code. I was using it to random sites that asked me for a user name so that I will forget it . But it can also be a secret code written on a death note that I can not say what means because otherwise I will have to kill you

Softclaims detheater again:

LoL. thats right
A great Japanese series . Its also a manga I think. The concept is that everything works with pure logic. Almost no emotions are involved which is funny.

PS my role is Kira. If I learn your real name I can kill you when ever I want and by the way I want

maybe we should kill chap to start the game?

Excuses for skimming and/or not caring:

Yes, and people vote and unvote so quickly that I have no clue about who has vote whom

Contradicting himself and more softclaiming deatheater:

Secondly, I am reading the posts daily, I just have not a lot of things to say. Its day one and I know nothing. You people are talking a lot but you say nothing interesting and as I can understand we pretty much kill someone randomly at first day.

Skimming so much he even forgot he voted:

Sorry, thought I had not vote.

It 's difficult to to follow you is voting whom without a vote count at all FREEZIE
But in my case I do not even remember I did had voted you. I remember suspected you but not actually voted you

Sheer nonsense:

Hmmmm. You guys very easily believed him.

On the other hand as soon as its a Harry Potter story there should be a Harry Potter character. So if jonty125 is lying about being Harry Potter then the real Harry should have at least voted him. But it seems like there is none who still suspected him so I have to beleive him too. But the way anyone unvoted him very quickly seams suspicious to me.

More nonsense:

when you unvote it was L-3.

You could have waited a little. The real Harry Potter might do not want to give his identity. If he is a strong but vulnerable character he might should not give his identity to deatheaters when the wizard people are between 2 people. But Harry Potter could have voted him (but not if he is alone because that way deatheaters will might kill him either way at night). Anyway its complicated but everyone unvote so quickly seems strange to me

Pointless twaddle:

Hey you can not call me stupid lol. I was the conqueror

I said I beleive he is Harry, just you are not forced to remove all the votes in order if the real harry is someone else to be able to hide his identity. But I do not care abot that anymore because I am sure he is the real Harry so no point...

A deeply superficial notation:

Everything we are saying at that chat should have to do with the game?
If so sorry, It's my first-second game I am not very familiar with the official and the unofficial rules

All in all, I can't stand the gall of the unrepentent deceiver. He slithers from place to place without any grace and appears to me an unbeliever. So with a swish and a sway it's time to flutter my wand up high and under your skin so ugly and thin I do enure to pry. That you are a foe of all that is right is no surprise to townfolk. Your words show you up as a deatheating scup so take this final poke ... Vote MC!



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[thehippo8]

I'm flattered. People are getting pressured for "following me".

so are you gonna help to apply some presure?
and what about you mc05? now is a chance for you to help, you said you have been reading and waiting for something interesting

The death-eaters in Harry Potter all carried a sign or mark on their arms...and all in all they were a very tight knit group. In everyday society they knew who each other were as they mingled with the rest of the cast. It seems likely to me in a mafia game that from the outset...the death-eaters would know who each other are. Therefore I think you have to look at who is pushing for blood to find the scum. If in the randomness of band-wagoning on to one character or another...the pin-point of pressure falls on someone a death-eater knows is not a death-eater...then at the moment they are going to pile on and drive the show. I don't think spartacus knew that jonty was harry...but i think he knew he wasn't one of them.

Once the target falls on another...the process is then repeated.

There is also the baseline that spartacus laid on page 14 or so when he talks of bandwagoning as a necessary evil...and then his fos at mc also stands out.

I don't have an opinion yet on day one band-wagoning...but this to me looks less like band-wagoning and pressure and a lot more like active hunting with an agenda.

Unvote/ Vote Spartacus

Interesting theory, but unprovable and tautologous. What's that on your arm?

[alt1978]

Interesting theory, but unprovable and tautologous. What's that on your arm?

Hippo

My apologies for the tautologousness of my first "theory". I had wanted to snap back some kind of handy witticism...but then reread my post and found it grammatically babbling and a bit repetitious (thank you dictionary.com for your help deciphering tauto-whats-it). Point taken...so let me try again with the main point.

Spartacus feels like he's hunting in his approach so far. That much I think is provable. Whether or not he is hunting for death-eaters or wizards is left to be debated...but in my reading of how he has approached things so far...it rang the death-eater bell in my ear. I'm sticking with Spartacus and my case. Your case hippo against mc is based largely on small talk and joke stuff. I think MC being smart...was tautologously using irony and wit to get the conversation started. I can see where out of context that stuff may make a case...but I'm just not buying it.

If spartacus does flip deatheater...i think hippo has to be remembered for this redirection.

[SPARTACUS1974]

I'm sticking to my spartacus vote for now. Neb's case is fairly strong for day 1. made the comment where it seemed he would be wary of submariners and now has submarined twice already. Sparticus seemed to jump on MC after misreading when Mc's last post was and then jumped on Jonty semi-OMGusly for making a misstep. I would have thought that would make Spartacus at least a bit more empathetic to making missteps but instead he was more critical than anyone on Jonty's case.

i voted for jonty not just for misreading votes but for following safs 2 votes within 30 mins

[everywhere116]

Interesting theory, but unprovable and tautologous. What's that on your arm?

Hippo

My apologies for the tautologousness of my first "theory". I had wanted to snap back some kind of handy witticism...but then reread my post and found it grammatically babbling and a bit repetitious (thank you dictionary.com for your help deciphering tauto-whats-it). Point taken...so let me try again with the main point.

Spartacus feels like he's hunting in his approach so far. That much I think is provable. Whether or not he is hunting for death-eaters or wizards is left to be debated...but in my reading of how he has approached things so far...it rang the death-eater bell in my ear. I'm sticking with Spartacus and my case. Your case hippo against mc is based largely on small talk and joke stuff. I think MC being smart...was tautologously using irony and wit to get the conversation started. I can see where out of context that stuff may make a case...but I'm just not buying it.

If spartacus does flip deatheater...i think hippo has to be remembered for this redirection.

I have to agree. A lot of what mc said was either a joke or a reference to the anime his avatar is from (hippo's examples of deatheater softclaims fall under this category) while we were still in the joke phase, much like how I'll inevitably make some reference to the Elder Scrolls or Halo in this thread.

Not that I'm terribly convinced Sparticus is a death-eater; a lot of people seem to think so, so I'll look it over, but I don't think the case on mc is that strong.

I was thinking we would vote our way out of this one. Mix things up a little bit.



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DAMMIT!

[SPARTACUS1974]

look if you make me claim it will make it a really bad day1 for wizards so just slow down and think before you make me claim

[safariguy5]

mc52093029345094875 has me confused as heck here. He says that people took their votes off of Jonty too quickly on the off chance that the "real" Harry would vote for him? Great idea MC12345! Let's keep the votes on Jonty, "just in case" there is a counterclaim from the "real" Harry Potter. Nevermind that mafia could come in an speedhammer perhaps our best and most vital role. Either mc54321 has no concept of the worth of Jonty's claim, or he's mafia trying to cast doubt on Jonty. Either way, it's a stupid play at best.

Depending on exactly how vital his role actually is, if the scum were stupid enough to speed lynch Jonty after his claim then it would probably be worth it to catch them.

Yeah. Seriously, people make a big deal about mafia speedlynching someone, but do people realize how much heat the hammerer would take for speedlynching someone? A speedlynch is really realistically going to happen in a RT game or at LYLO. And even at LYLO, attempting a speedlynch is an all or nothing proposition because mafia will sacrifice one player immediately should the sync not be accurate.

look if you make me claim it will make it a really bad day1 for wizards so just slow down and think before you make me claim

Really, how bad can it be exactly? If you're town, claiming is something that has to happen eventually.

unvote vote sparticus

[SPARTACUS1974]

ok im off to work and dont want to be lynched so here goes


You are Nymphadora Tonks ( Wizard Commuter )

Wife of the werewolf Remus Lupin, you were born with the ability to change your apearance
at will. You are the cousin of the annoying kid Drago Malfoy, and nephew of Bellatrix Lestrange.
However, you entered the Aurors department and will not hold back on your aunt or any
other deatheaters.
the green part of my pm

[thehippo8]

ok im off to work and dont want to be lynched so here goes


You are Nymphadora Tonks ( Wizard Commuter )

Wife of the werewolf Remus Lupin, you were born with the ability to change your apearance
at will. You are the cousin of the annoying kid Drago Malfoy, and nephew of Bellatrix Lestrange.
However, you entered the Aurors department and will not hold back on your aunt or any
other deatheaters.
the green part of my pm

There you go alt - what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You are looking mighty silly right now! I can only put that down to a collossal oops on your part. Moving on then. As weak as my case on MC is, it's still the only case that makes any sense for now!

[strike wolf]

I'm sticking to my spartacus vote for now. Neb's case is fairly strong for day 1. made the comment where it seemed he would be wary of submariners and now has submarined twice already. Sparticus seemed to jump on MC after misreading when Mc's last post was and then jumped on Jonty semi-OMGusly for making a misstep. I would have thought that would make Spartacus at least a bit more empathetic to making missteps but instead he was more critical than anyone on Jonty's case.

i voted for jonty not just for misreading votes but for following safs 2 votes within 30 mins

The 30 minutes part is blatantly false. Trying to artificially strengthen your case?

As for the claim. I'm not sure. WHat are the specific abilities of your role?

[SPARTACUS1974]

I'm sticking to my spartacus vote for now. Neb's case is fairly strong for day 1. made the comment where it seemed he would be wary of submariners and now has submarined twice already. Sparticus seemed to jump on MC after misreading when Mc's last post was and then jumped on Jonty semi-OMGusly for making a misstep. I would have thought that would make Spartacus at least a bit more empathetic to making missteps but instead he was more critical than anyone on Jonty's case.

i voted for jonty not just for misreading votes but for following safs 2 votes within 30 mins

The 30 minutes part is blatantly false. Trying to artificially strengthen your case?

As for the claim. I'm not sure. WHat are the specific abilities of your role?

i have already said i made a boob voting for jonty and if you look at the timelines between safs vote and jonty following its around 30 mins , but none of this matters now we know who jonty is .
as for me i think i have said enough i quoted the part of my pm that we are allowed to and if you read that it give a clue to my abbilities why should i give the deatheaters any more help?

[Djfireside]

Strike it is pretty straight-forward what their power is. I tend to believe them but should be kept as reservations and now that they are outed should be able to prove it in further days.

[alt1978]

There are 18 players in this game. On the death eater side there would have to be worm-tail, voldermort, belletrix...possibly malfoy...possibly malfoy's dad...I would guess at least 4...maybe 5.
Rita Skeetah and Fudge (minister of magic exist as possible third party folks...along with the other third party members mentioned as possibilities.

I would guess at most we are talking 12 on the good side of the wizards as an absolute max...and quite likely fewer than that.

Harry, Hermione, and Ron are must have wizards
Mcgonnel, Snape, Hagrid, are must haves.
The two weasely brothers are close to must haves.
Neville, Luna, and Ginny would all be likely to be included (at least some fraction of these...particularly neville and Ginny)
Reamus, moody, and the weasely dad (possibly even mom) are likely suspects

Dumbledore's brother stands as a likely candidate to be present.

Do folks believe that Tonk's wife makes the cut before any of the above??...and that's if you look at 12 being the number of good guys. Myabe someone with a better sense of how games are balanced could testify on this front. I don't remember Tonk's wife from the books being prominent...but maybe someone more recently familiar with the story could fill in here. Also...maybe someone who has seen the film could fill us in if she had a larger role in the film than what she did in the book???

Also...why would it be so bad for the "town" or wizard side of things to out Tonk's wife...a marginal fringe character. It would be way worse for the town if another major role was revealed.

I'm not saying its a fake claim...but for now
My vote on spartacus stands.

[jonty125]

Also...why would it be so bad for the "town" or wizard side of things to out Tonk's wife...a marginal fringe character. It would be way worse for the town if another major role was revealed.

I'm not saying its a fake claim...but for now
My vote on spartacus stands.

Tonk's, is female. She is Lupin's wife.

unvote spartacus has claimed and I can't see any reason to not believe it

lot of major to semi-major characters within the Harry Potter universe who would make good fake claims.

Yeah, but because it there are so many major/semi-major characted, you can't always be safe in your fakeclaim, so it'll still be a risk for the Mafia whenever they claim since there's no way to know who Freezie picked or didn't![/quote]

FOS Leehar, he seems to have information about mafia's fakeclaims. Then again I've never played as mafia without a fakeclaim.

[strike wolf]

I'm sticking to my spartacus vote for now. Neb's case is fairly strong for day 1. made the comment where it seemed he would be wary of submariners and now has submarined twice already. Sparticus seemed to jump on MC after misreading when Mc's last post was and then jumped on Jonty semi-OMGusly for making a misstep. I would have thought that would make Spartacus at least a bit more empathetic to making missteps but instead he was more critical than anyone on Jonty's case.

i voted for jonty not just for misreading votes but for following safs 2 votes within 30 mins

The 30 minutes part is blatantly false. Trying to artificially strengthen your case?

As for the claim. I'm not sure. WHat are the specific abilities of your role?

i have already said i made a boob voting for jonty and if you look at the timelines between safs vote and jonty following its around 30 mins , but none of this matters now we know who jonty is .
as for me i think i have said enough i quoted the part of my pm that we are allowed to and if you read that it give a clue to my abbilities why should i give the deatheaters any more help?

Ah ok. Sorry I misunderstood the 30 minute comment. I thought you were saying Jonty's votes were 30 minutes apart.

I want more on your claim because I am not sure I believe your claim. Tonks falls into the semi-major character category that could be used by mafia (more prominent in the latter books but never played a central role at any point).

[mc05025]

ok im off to work and dont want to be lynched so here goes


You are Nymphadora Tonks ( Wizard Commuter )

Wife of the werewolf Remus Lupin, you were born with the ability to change your apearance
at will. You are the cousin of the annoying kid Drago Malfoy, and nephew of Bellatrix Lestrange.
However, you entered the Aurors department and will not hold back on your aunt or any
other deatheaters.
the green part of my pm

Have you read the books??

The only reason I beleive you is that the informations about Tonks are correct. In order to know those you either search at the internet or you have read the books. But she couldn't change her apearance, only her hair style and colour.

Now about your characters alt. It is not easy to say which character is more important. You did not include many characters and someone can say at Ron's dad is less important than Tonks.

Anyway I do not entirely beleive him but I will prefer someone else die

unvote

Hippo your case is stupid and your post was stupid too. Almost every line was a lie.

SO now you trust Neb? I thought you were suspected him...

Just answer if you think Neb is still suspicios or not

[spiesr]

look if you make me claim it will make it a really bad day1 for wizards so just slow down and think before you make me claim

For future reference, this line almost never helps. It usually just makes you look scummy.

as for me i think i have said enough i quoted the part of my pm that we are allowed to and if you read that it give a clue to my abilities why should i give the deatheaters any more help?

Generally when you claim it is expected that you were give your role (powers). Character only claims may occasionally be requested, but unless called for only there are only a few circumstances where not giving your powers would be reasonable. That said, you did say you were a commuter. If you are a standard commuter then I guess we know what you are. If you aren't then maybe you should tell us?

Do folks believe that Tonk's wife makes the cut before any of the above??...and that's if you look at 12 being the number of good guys. Myabe someone with a better sense of how games are balanced could testify on this front. I don't remember Tonk's wife from the books being prominent...but maybe someone more recently familiar with the story could fill in here. Also...maybe someone who has seen the film could fill us in if she had a larger role in the film than what she did in the book???

I suppose this likely comes down to how freezie handled fake-claims and whatnot. If he gave the scums a list of some characters not in the game to use for fake-claiming then he likely left holes at several tiers of importance. Meaning that some of town may have gotten characters which wouldn't make the top 12 or whatever of importance. Or freezie may have simply picked characters based on who he liked rather than who was the most important.

[spiesr]

You are Nymphadora Tonks ( Wizard Commuter )

Wife of the werewolf Remus Lupin, you were born with the ability to change your apearance
at will. You are the cousin of the annoying kid Drago Malfoy, and nephew of Bellatrix Lestrange.
However, you entered the Aurors department and will not hold back on your aunt or any
other deatheaters.
the green part of my pm

The only reason I believe you is that the informations about Tonks are correct. In order to know those you either search at the internet or you have read the books. But she couldn't change her appearance, only her hair style and colour.

In his claim he says that the information there is a direct copy from section of his pm that he is allowed to copy and paste. This seems to indicate that he either actually has this as his role or got this as fake-claim material from freezie. Upon contemplation, I think that the presence of quoteable pm sections written by freezie must mean that the scum got fake-claims with similar sections.

[mc05025]

I didn't know that the mod might actually can give informations for a fake claim. I thought he was giving only roles and manages the game.

[chapcrap]

I just had a whole list typed up. Very long. Took me a while.

Tried to submit it and I had logged out of the site...awesome.

I might try again later.