HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Well, at least we got some voting history started here.

From 2:58 to 6:14, I racked up 8 quick votes. Strike wolf had the best reason, as I was inactive. The rest of you simply couldn't resist a good pile on. In just over 3 hours you put me right on the chopping block. Half of you couldn't grasp my first post, which admittedly, I was acting just like what I said I would be wary of...but half of you didn't even understand that.

So, now that we're done discussing writing names in books, etc. Let's get on with the game, shall we?

I did not vote you. You're thinking of Safariguy.

As far as picking out the bandwagoners. I'd be much more interested in one of the following:

DJfireside-last one to attempt to join the bandwagon (Bleed would technically be the last one who was on it but he tried to vote earlier) did not contribute any reasoning just built the bandwagon.

Leehar-would have been 3rd to last on bandwagon if he had not misvoted.

Bleed-should have been 2nd to last on the bandwagon. Misrepresented what Neb said early in the thread.

Out of the three...Leehar is pretty much just on their due to the time in the bandwagon I don't consider him a serious lead...between DJfireside and Bleed. I lean towards pressuring Bleed as DJ is newer to mafia.

Unvote vote bleed

The whole talk about the book might have made me a bit hasty even with the deadline 7 days away but there was no other movement in actually trying to get somewhere. After seeing Saf's post and going back to see is activity I did not take Neb post in a context that he tried to portray it as. The way I interpreted is exactly how I posted it.. that was taking 3 classes.. going to be skimming and only post a minimum amount when he felt he had some relevant information.. So I thought to myself, I am working full time, learning C++ and doing labs to go and write some of Microsoft Cert's plus my family life on top of that yes 3 classes are a fair amount but I did not see that as a valid excuse.

I am still keeping my vote where it stands because it was spiesr who interpreted a different way then myself followed by Neb confirming that is exactly how he meant it to be taking. If Neb's action in the coming days change with his activity I have no problem unvoting.

As for the FOS I was not coming out of left field, I have been jumping into this forum very actively to see if anything has changed but for the most part it has been about the death book which unfortunately I am not familiar with at all so I could not contribute in anyway

Okay, I have to call you out Bleed Green. Your reasons are complete crap. You vote ME for being inactive? Really? Let's take a look at your so-called "activity" shall we?

confirm

Oh, goodie, you confirmed. 1 post.

Vote Safariguy5 Riddick is bad ass

Yay! A joke vote...the activity is really picking up now. 2 posts.

Nebuchadnezer wrote:Oh, a deadline! I haven't had one of those yet. Doesn't that just make it easier for the mafia to get by with hiding? "Oh, sorry guys, school is so tough right now...I like have 3 classes a day, and just can't find time to post...but I'm here reading everything. I'll post if I have anything to add." I will be extra wary about anyone with lame excuses for not adding to the conversation.

Vote Neb to apply the pressure since Leehar did not put it into bold. I am interested to see what he has to say since he stated that he would be submarining the entire time but will post if he has anything to add.. but advises that he would be wary about anyone with lame excuses for not adding to the conversation... a complete contradiction in his statement and actions... best lead we have so far...

Oh, look! Your third post total! And it's just to pile a vote on me. Your activity has been just as poor as if not worse than mine. But let's not forget this line in your last post...

As for the FOS I was not coming out of left field, I have been jumping into this forum very actively to see if anything has changed but for the most part it has been about the death book which unfortunately I am not familiar with at all so I could not contribute in anyway

You've been "jumping into this forum very actively"...what? That's the classic description of submarining. You're always in here reading, yet adding nothing.

Anyway, the point is, if we were to vote on activity, you should be the #1 candidate, don't you think?

Honestly, now that I actually looked at this, I'll take my OMGUS off of Hippo, because Bleed Green is a bit ridiculous in his judgement of my activity, when he's done nothing but bandwagon on me. That is not pro-town to me.

UNVOTE VOTE BLEED GREEN

[thehippo8]

Well, at least we got some voting history started here.

From 2:58 to 6:14, I racked up 8 quick votes. Strike wolf had the best reason, as I was inactive. The rest of you simply couldn't resist a good pile on. In just over 3 hours you put me right on the chopping block. Half of you couldn't grasp my first post, which admittedly, I was acting just like what I said I would be wary of...but half of you didn't even understand that.

So, now that we're done discussing writing names in books, etc. Let's get on with the game, shall we?

Funnily enough that was what my rhyme was about (reason and ryhme ). But you are back now and whatever the others may say about you being away you're here now and I hope you'll stay. So, let's go for those in need, the silent ones ... I unvote: vote bleed!!



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[thehippo8]

Just a quick note, the inactivity of Green goes beyond no posts but rather, as neb says, posts that amount to submarining by way of drabness and at page 12 I'd expect more. SO my vote on Green stays.

[Leehar]

You aren't bandwagon hopping again are you Hippo?

[SPARTACUS1974]

ok i thinking along the same lines as neb the only posts bleed green has made 1 line posts then jumping on the bandwagon with votes .
hippo who you gonna vote next ?

and after mc0505 telling us about a cartoon where is he now ,looks like he made a few posts then slipped away again FoS mc05.
not gonna vote yet but would like to hear from bleed and mc05

[thehippo8]

ok i thinking along the same lines as neb the only posts bleed green has made 1 line posts then jumping on the bandwagon with votes .
hippo who you gonna vote next ?

and after mc0505 telling us about a cartoon where is he now ,looks like he made a few posts then slipped away again FoS mc05.
not gonna vote yet but would like to hear from bleed and mc05

Hmm, my theory is that it is better to be true and clear rather than waffly - I am rethinking that. Perhaps the diplomatic route would be better. As Leehar says, bandwagoning ain't a great title. Having said that, the purpose of day one is to put pressure. I'm happy to switch my vote to achieve that if it obtains some useful information for town and a few scum tells along the way is helpful too! But if bleed were to come back then, in all probablility, I'd look to see who else is worth pressuring. There is, after all, an immense difference between pressuring (which Leehar now calls bandwagoning) and voting without reason. IMHO, it is scummy to point fingers of blame and derision without backing that up. Nay, I'd call it cowardice. And it ain't far from cowardice to slithering scumsville. So, Leehar, are you gonna keep pointing fingers or are you going to do something? FoS Leehar! At least sparticus is saying something useful here - and frankly I agree. But if time passed and bleed continued to act scummy or worse just disappear then I'd be expecting sparticus to follow up on his post. If, on the other hand, green came back and said something explanatory and believable and preferably pointed to another line of inquiry and I agreed with that then I'd probably point my pressure there. In the meantime my vote is where it is for good reason!

[alt1978]

I concur with a lot the reasoning there hippo...especially the part about generating pressure. I am not trying to split the vote...but following your line of reasoning of voting no reason=cowerdice=scum (an equation i too believe in)...djfireside fits the bill stronger than leehar or any other player i've seen to this point. One bandwagon vote with no explanation (trying to run up neb) and then back into the abyss.

Unvote...Vote djfireside

[SPARTACUS1974]

I concur with a lot the reasoning there hippo...especially the part about generating pressure. I am not trying to split the vote...but following your line of reasoning of voting no reason=cowerdice=scum (an equation i too believe in)...djfireside fits the bill stronger than leehar or any other player i've seen to this point. One bandwagon vote with no explanation (trying to run up neb) and then back into the abyss.

Unvote...Vote djfireside

ok hippo and alt i concur.we do need to apply pressure and at the moment there are a few who we could try im gonna go with you alt he came in voted with no reason at all then no more posts scummy to me .
still want to hear from mc05 to see where he has been hiding and just to get his thoughts on the other players .

unvote vote djfire

[Bleed_Green]

My vote on you Neb was not about the activity but your statement that you were going to be blatantly submarining due to a few classes and did not help that you never returned... to me I seen that as a ploy to misdirect people away from you to slide under the radar... especially since this is my first game with you so I cannot base anything on your character or previous games just on your word. And from your words as I have stated above put up a red flag for me.

As it seems that I have misplaced what you were trying to get across I will see if you continue to post and unvote.

As for me coming and not posting it was simple I could not contribute to what ever they were talking about for pages 9,10 and first post on 11

[Leehar]

ok i thinking along the same lines as neb the only posts bleed green has made 1 line posts then jumping on the bandwagon with votes .
hippo who you gonna vote next ?

and after mc0505 telling us about a cartoon where is he now ,looks like he made a few posts then slipped away again FoS mc05.
not gonna vote yet but would like to hear from bleed and mc05

Hmm, my theory is that it is better to be true and clear rather than waffly - I am rethinking that. Perhaps the diplomatic route would be better. As Leehar says, bandwagoning ain't a great title. Having said that, the purpose of day one is to put pressure. I'm happy to switch my vote to achieve that if it obtains some useful information for town and a few scum tells along the way is helpful too! But if bleed were to come back then, in all probablility, I'd look to see who else is worth pressuring. There is, after all, an immense difference between pressuring (which Leehar now calls bandwagoning) and voting without reason. IMHO, it is scummy to point fingers of blame and derision without backing that up. Nay, I'd call it cowardice. And it ain't far from cowardice to slithering scumsville. So, Leehar, are you gonna keep pointing fingers or are you going to do something? FoS Leehar! At least sparticus is saying something useful here - and frankly I agree. But if time passed and bleed continued to act scummy or worse just disappear then I'd be expecting sparticus to follow up on his post. If, on the other hand, green came back and said something explanatory and believable and preferably pointed to another line of inquiry and I agreed with that then I'd probably point my pressure there. In the meantime my vote is where it is for good reason!

It's just that you have a history of jumping from person to person and it cost you dearly in the other game where you ended up being a doc. So while pressuring is ok, just going around voting left, right and centre just on the basis of whoever you think will be most popular, seems scummy to me and just presents you in a worse light because inevitably it seems you'll jump to target someone else all the time based on what others do rather than any solidness of commitment in yourself to actually vote for someone you actually think is scummy.

[jonty125]

ok hippo and alt i concur

If one of these guys flip scum might be link between at least one of them (WIFOM)

Anyhow, my vote stays on Neb as the other cases are pretty similar and I want to make sure Neb doesn't sink under the radar again.

[strike wolf]

Well for now I think bleed answered the questions I had for voting him well enough. Unvote

As of now I will not jump on another case. I don't know if there is much to review at this point but I want to take some time just to see where the game is going. I think Hippo misinterpreted Leehar's attention. I read as more of a "same thing you did last game hippo?" comment directed at how Hippo often bandwagons freely as town than an accusation. It may have even been a slight warning to hippo..."Careful you don't want this to go the way it did last time". To which I feel hippo reacted fairly sharply. Notable but nothing voteworthy on either side.

[Djfireside]

There were a few points against me for joining up on the bandwagon but it seemed the joke vote was over and we had appeared it was pressure time to see if we could push someone one way or the other. I should have noted my intentions and just blindly bandwagoning I can see the FOS. Pressure leads to remarks so I was adding to the pot to get neb up and about

[safariguy5]

My position on bandwagoning is that it's a necessary evil on Day 1. None of the cases are going to be really strong ones, and to advance pressure to claims, some bandwagonning is going to have to happen. I usually don't really count bandwagonning as scummy Day 1 unless it carries over into future days or there are an unusually large number of cases and someone has bandwagonned onto all of them.

ok i thinking along the same lines as neb the only posts bleed green has made 1 line posts then jumping on the bandwagon with votes .
hippo who you gonna vote next ?

and after mc0505 telling us about a cartoon where is he now ,looks like he made a few posts then slipped away again FoS mc05.
not gonna vote yet but would like to hear from bleed and mc05

Here's the thing Spartacus, you're getting on mc for activity, but the amount of time that has passed since mc's last vote is not as long as the time between Neb's posts. So I think you're trying to shoehorn mc's activity into a criteria that doesn't fit. You're preemptively jumping on mc without allowing him enough time to really lapse into submarining.
unvote vote spartacus

[thehippo8]

unvote

Let me have a think about Sparticus for a moment, going to go back and re-read the log.

[jonty125]

When spartacus made his vote it was less than 72 hours within mc's last post. unvote vote mc025025. I think the number is right

[Bleed_Green]

I am wondering where a couple of key players have gone in the three and half... we have seemed to be missing that are more inactive then the current cases that we have...

Sully Feb.27th

vote mc0520520552052505

What's up with that?



-Sully

Tails Feb 27th

Thanks for the attention safari...

Vote leehar...for confusing pasta and paste in a mafia game.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/copypasta
Memebase Mafia ftw

You mean like how you lost?

BURN!

-Tails

Drake: Feb 27th

vote VS because i said i would

It's a bandwagon!

oh yeah, first vote on him as all the others unvoted = bandwagon

unvote vote SW for skimming

I know a few of you have played many games with these guys does there activity standout as normal or something outside of the ordinary for day 1?

[strike wolf]

When spartacus made his vote it was less than 72 hours within mc's last post. unvote vote mc025025. I think the number is right

Ok I'm not really following your line of logic here...

[SPARTACUS1974]

My position on bandwagoning is that it's a necessary evil on Day 1. None of the cases are going to be really strong ones, and to advance pressure to claims, some bandwagonning is going to have to happen. I usually don't really count bandwagonning as scummy Day 1 unless it carries over into future days or there are an unusually large number of cases and someone has bandwagonned onto all of them.

ok i thinking along the same lines as neb the only posts bleed green has made 1 line posts then jumping on the bandwagon with votes .
hippo who you gonna vote next ?

and after mc0505 telling us about a cartoon where is he now ,looks like he made a few posts then slipped away again FoS mc05.
not gonna vote yet but would like to hear from bleed and mc05

Here's the thing Spartacus, you're getting on mc for activity, but the amount of time that has passed since mc's last vote is not as long as the time between Neb's posts. So I think you're trying to shoehorn mc's activity into a criteria that doesn't fit. You're preemptively jumping on mc without allowing him enough time to really lapse into submarining.
unvote vote spartacus

so first you say that voting on day 1 with no real evidence is a necessary evil as you put it .
then you moan at me for getting on mc05 between his posts, it has been 3 days now how long should i wait before i accuse him of submarining .
looks like your trying to protect him ?

[Leehar]

unvote

Let me have a think about Sparticus for a moment, going to go back and re-read the log.

(y)
Much better. Saf made a good point about bw, but I feel that jumping around from case to case won't build concerted effort either. Thats why it doesn't hurt to just observe the lie a bit better to see how the flow is going, and who's the largest worry while still making sure to be active yourself in commenting on current events. But hey, I'm only a couple of months into mafia myself so it's not like I have this sure-foot strat on what works best, just what I feel isn't helpful.
And yeah, I think you hit my thoughts better than I could say them myself strike

And nice mention Bleed, I haven't actually played with tail and drake that much, but they seem like experienced campaigner

[spiesr]

I know a few of you have played many games with these guys does there activity standout as normal or something outside of the ordinary for day 1?

I would characterize this is not being too unusual for those particular players...

[strike wolf]

My position on bandwagoning is that it's a necessary evil on Day 1. None of the cases are going to be really strong ones, and to advance pressure to claims, some bandwagonning is going to have to happen. I usually don't really count bandwagonning as scummy Day 1 unless it carries over into future days or there are an unusually large number of cases and someone has bandwagonned onto all of them.

ok i thinking along the same lines as neb the only posts bleed green has made 1 line posts then jumping on the bandwagon with votes .
hippo who you gonna vote next ?

and after mc0505 telling us about a cartoon where is he now ,looks like he made a few posts then slipped away again FoS mc05.
not gonna vote yet but would like to hear from bleed and mc05

Here's the thing Spartacus, you're getting on mc for activity, but the amount of time that has passed since mc's last vote is not as long as the time between Neb's posts. So I think you're trying to shoehorn mc's activity into a criteria that doesn't fit. You're preemptively jumping on mc without allowing him enough time to really lapse into submarining.
unvote vote spartacus

so first you say that voting on day 1 with no real evidence is a necessary evil as you put it .
then you moan at me for getting on mc05 between his posts, it has been 3 days now how long should i wait before i accuse him of submarining .
looks like your trying to protect him ?

Actually it's been less than 3 days and it was under 2 days when you called him out.

@safari: bandwagoning is a necessary evil just as picking someone from the bandwagon tends to be a necessary progression of the day. So I just try to be careful about who I pick out from the bandwagon.

[strike wolf]

I know a few of you have played many games with these guys does there activity standout as normal or something outside of the ordinary for day 1?

I would characterize this is not being too unusual for those particular players...

It's very true of Tails and drake. Tails especially seems to prefer posting once every few days but trying to add a lot when he does. Sully...Sully can be inactive or active...Doesn't seem to matter too much what his role is in these scenarios.

[SPARTACUS1974]

My position on bandwagoning is that it's a necessary evil on Day 1. None of the cases are going to be really strong ones, and to advance pressure to claims, some bandwagonning is going to have to happen. I usually don't really count bandwagonning as scummy Day 1 unless it carries over into future days or there are an unusually large number of cases and someone has bandwagonned onto all of them.

ok i thinking along the same lines as neb the only posts bleed green has made 1 line posts then jumping on the bandwagon with votes .
hippo who you gonna vote next ?

and after mc0505 telling us about a cartoon where is he now ,looks like he made a few posts then slipped away again FoS mc05.
not gonna vote yet but would like to hear from bleed and mc05

Here's the thing Spartacus, you're getting on mc for activity, but the amount of time that has passed since mc's last vote is not as long as the time between Neb's posts. So I think you're trying to shoehorn mc's activity into a criteria that doesn't fit. You're preemptively jumping on mc without allowing him enough time to really lapse into submarining.
unvote vote spartacus

so first you say that voting on day 1 with no real evidence is a necessary evil as you put it .
then you moan at me for getting on mc05 between his posts, it has been 3 days now how long should i wait before i accuse him of submarining .
looks like your trying to protect him ?

Actually it's been less than 3 days and it was under 2 days when you called him out.

@safari: bandwagoning is a necessary evil just as picking someone from the bandwagon tends to be a necessary progression of the day. So I just try to be careful about who I pick out from the bandwagon.

yep your right just under 2 days but i still would like to hear from him

[spiesr]

yep your right just under 2 days but i still would like to hear from him

Okay, my question for you then is what is the reason behind your vote. Do you believe that he is scum and is purposefully posting in this manner in order to further his agenda and therefor should be lynched, or are you simply using your vote as a prod to make him post?