Maisel002, CivProBlows,Quintarious[Cleared]TFO

[jbudnick2001]

Accused:

Maisel002
CivProBlows
Quintarious



The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy




Game number(s):

Game 10568298
Game 10535301
Game 10421212
Game 10065986
Game 10377215
Game 10048888
Game 9930011
Game 9910145
Game 9825549
Game 9767546
Game 9612324
Game 9527873
Game 9462549
Game 9459992
Game 9391463
Game 9388103

Comments:

I believe there is at least quite a bit of secret diplomacy going on here. All these games are from about half of their recent game list. i didnt even wanna go through all of them. Now i dont know if they are multis are not but seeing that one of them wins almost everyone i wouldnt rule it out. But i would not know for sure but there is ABSOLUTELY secret diplomacy going on. A few players in game chats have called them out if you look through the games.

But as i can see they play almost EVERY singles game together if not all three of them then at least 2 of them and they win a considerable amount of them.

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The accused are suspected of:

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Comments:

[jbudnick2001]

accidently hit enter to submit it before i was done. sorry man it is filled out now with just a few of the games in question. there are plenty more in their recent games list.

[jbudnick2001]

sonatherun: The rest of you should be aware that maise1002, CivProBlows, Quintarious, and maise1002 play a lot of games together, with some curious self sacrifice that tends to benefit another of them. Do a game finder search with their names.

one of the members that noticed something weird about them.

[jbudnick2001]

Not to mention that Maisel002 Joined May 11 2010, and Quintarious joined May 17 2010. So they joined within a week of each other, ALL three of them live in alabama, and they play in EVERY game together basically. Seems kinda shady to me.

[jbudnick2001]

They also just joined yet another game together Maisel002 and civproblows...Game number 10641567 Standard singles

[TheForgivenOne]

They are Cleared of being Multi's. Looking into the SD part of the claim.

[CivProBlows]

Jbudnick2001, you should avoid using absolute terms in your accusations because it makes you appear less credible. I don't play "almost EVERY singles game" with Quintarious and Masel002, as is obvious from my game list (most of the games I play are 1v1). I'm sure most of Quintarious's games are with us, as he refuses to get premium, thus can only play 4 games at a time. But if friends playing lots of singles games together is a crime in and of itself, YOU (Jbudnick2001) should be found guilty following your own reasoning. I'll make my own thread, as to not get off topic, but (mods) take a look at the accuser and Ares88. They're in 40 games together and Jbudnick2001 has only completed 49 games!

As for the three of us, we usually attack each other in the games that we do play together (except for team games), so I don't understand how you can honestly assert a secret diplomacy claim. A perfect example of this is game 10568298, which is going on right now. I tried to eliminate Quintarious from the game, and got him all the way down to one troop! He turned-in and instead eliminated me from the game on his next turn. Now why would I take him all the way down to 1, and then why would he turn-in and go after me, if we had a secret diplomacy? Wouldn't it be more beneficial to attack, say, other players in the game?

Sonatherun came up with multiple conspiracy theories on why he lost game 10535301, but I assume he didn't follow-up on them after doing a little research. He did spam some games that the three of us are in together, to spew his rants. The simple fact is that he and Jbudnick2001 fall into the category of sore losers that can't explain a loss. I hope the mods will clear this one up quickly.

[jbudnick2001]

You should look up past c&a posts before you try one genius

[CivProBlows]

Oh jbudnick2001, you're right! Someone already reported you two, and you were BUSTED (http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=164470&start=0)! They must be looking into something further with you two, because it currently says "Pending." I do find it hilarious that you (jbudnick2001) would accuse anyone of anything, after you've been BUSTED for cheating, lol.

Now my question for the mods is: why are these two still on the site/allowed to join games together?

[Evolution299]

Because they appealed the decision and were found not guilty.

[CivProBlows]

Because they appealed the decision and were found not guilty.

Yeah, but there's really no way to know that, simply from viewing the thread. It still says "BUSTED" in the subject line, and there is no retraction in the thread. I probably would have made a new thread even if I had found the old one, just to inquire as to why these two are still on the site and/or allowed to play together. However, the new thread still says Cleared/Pending, so I guess the MHs are giving it a third look.

[jbudnick2001]

its not going to matter. king achilles, you know the guy that posted the rules and guidelines for C&A reports was the one who cleared me. So if someone tries to "bust" us again then ill just have him fix it like he did last time because obviously he found we werent multis. But again not going to argue you can try anything you want.

[jbudnick2001]

p.s. cleared/cleared just saying

[TheForgivenOne]

Alright, I looked through the games list. Of the singles games, that are public games, one of them won 22 out of 33 games. Does this seem suspicious? A bit. However, I have been looking through the logs, and from what I can tell, they attack each other quite a bit. Even times, one of them will hit another, and they will go back and forth for a few turns hitting the same territories from each other. From looking at the logs, I don't see enough evidence to warn/Block them, and I don't even see enough evidence to Note this. So they are Cleared

Just because they win quite a few games, doesn't mean it is SD. They may just be better players then their opponents. And, on a side note, for future reports. You may want to show some evidence from the logs, besides "They played x amount of games together, and won Y of them. IT MUST BE SD!"

[CivProBlows]

Just because they win quite a few games, doesn't mean it is SD. They may just be better players then their opponents. And, on a side note, for future reports. You may want to show some evidence from the logs, besides "They played x amount of games together, and won Y of them. IT MUST BE SD!"

Yeah, that's the problem: some people can't handle a loss. I'm sorry that Jb wasted your time. Thanks for clearing us TFO!