Dazza's 1st Mafia - Mafia Win

[codierose]

cool im up for that lets see if he even notices he's been lynched
unvote clever

[Iron Butterfly]

we need a vote count

[soundman]

cool im up for that lets see if he even notices he's been lynched
unvote clever

I think you forgot to vote...

[Iron Butterfly]

cool im up for that lets see if he even notices he's been lynched
unvote clever

I think you forgot to vote...

You must have had a long ass dinner.

[codierose]

vote clever

[pershy]

Well I'm not sure about anything any more but I like the way this is going.
If others are willing to give IB the benefit of the doubt then so am I.
On the other hand a silent submariner is either scummy or of no help to the town anyway
unvote
I will give Clever some time to check in, otherwise I will vote him too.

[dazza2008]

Vote Count

Iron Butterfly(1) - MoB Deadly
pershy(1) - tenbar
Some7hingCLEVER(2) Nebuchadnezer, codierose

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

hey sorry guys im here just getting way in over my head with school work and these games ill read up on the cases and get back in the next hour

[codierose]

you have been spending plenty of time in the other games clearly a submarining scummmmmmmmm

[Some7hingCLEVER]

where is soundman and clever dazz can we have a prod please

unvote
i want the two MIA to add something to this case or im going to vote for one of them

mob clever or soundman
my votes with soundman right now

Sorry. It's been a super busy week for me and when I finally had time there was nothing to add since we needed to wait for IB's claim.

I don't think we should lynch IB just yet. There is a chance that the framer got him. If later down the line we run out of leads then we can come back. Out of all the players I think Mob and Pershy are the scummiest. Mob has rarely posted and that's just not like him at all. That to me is scummy. Vote Mob

i have to agree with soundman on this one
if there is a chance the framer got him i dont wanna risk another town
and about mob rarely posting but being way more active in other games ...i havent really played with him before so i dont think i can vote for him
so therefore i wont vote for him yet(if he starts actiing scummy)

[Some7hingCLEVER]

fastposted by codi

[MoB Deadly]

Will post today, Making a post now, dont know if I can finish it. But pulling the inactivity card on me is BULL, especially from Clever who has barely said anything and then just piggy backs off soundmans post.

[MoB Deadly]

I will start with my activity. Yes my activity has dropped since January on this forum. I have made that as publicly clear as possible. I posted in the vacation thread. I stopped signing up for games, and I have apologized and stayed on top of them as much as possible. I really dont think I have submarined for more than a day or two when a real case has been brought up, or any case involving me has been brought up. I admit I have not taken the lead as much as I should in games and my D1 activity has been below par.

However I will take IB's advice and "put my money where my mouth is." If you guys think I am not contributing enough and really DO find me scummy. I will take the fall if IB is not scum. Although I do not think that setting these bets will be the best strategy for town, if that's what it takes to possibly clear me I will take that gamble.

I said that if Cat turned mafia I would let town lynch me..I was so sure. So if you think my claim of Town is bs then step up and put your moany where your mouth is. If I turn Town will you be willing to be lynched. I mean you are so sure Im lieing right. Fummy how you only seem to offer comments when someone is being bandwagoned.

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I don't think we should lynch IB just yet. There is a chance that the framer got him. If later down the line we run out of leads then we can come back. Out of all the players I think Mob and Pershy are the scummiest. Mob has rarely posted and that's just not like him at all. That to me is scummy. Vote Mob

So we accuse someone for submarining, you apologize and just deflect the attention to someone else you think is posting less.


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i have to agree with soundman on this one
if there is a chance the framer got him i dont wanna risk another town
and about mob rarely posting but being way more active in other games ...i havent really played with him before so i dont think i can vote for him
so therefore i wont vote for him yet(if he starts actiing scummy)

Something Clever does the same thing. Accused for submarining, attempts to deflect the attention to someone else again.



Okay... The whole IB mess.
1) Who did Rage Frame? We need to figure out the possibilities. If IB was really the obvious pick, then maybe we dont lynch him today.

Benefit of Lynching IB
1) Low risk Lynch. He is claiming VT, so either way if we are wrong, we haven't lost all THAT much.
2) We also have a chance to verify our cops sanity. If IB flibs scum, its a double victory, because we can rest easy knowing our Cop isnt insane.

Cons of Lynching IB
1) IB is a good contributer, one of the biggest in this game, it would suck to lose him if he is town.
2) The aftershock. If IB flips town, I am obviously going to be taking a lot of heat among others. I know I am town and it will take a whole nother day to clear that fog up.


This is what I have for now..... If its in the general consensus, I will risk my life for an IB lynch, although I think it will be detrimental to town, because without doing any major research, IB is looking like the prime suspect to Frame.

[MoB Deadly]

The only upside I really have is that I am now modding a game. So I promise not to drop the ball on that game, so I have to at least be on the forum once or twice a day.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Uhh im not deflecting the attention to anyone I said I wouldnt do anything about you unless you acted more scummy ...i dont believe this is deflecting...correct me if im wrong

[codierose]

so whos your vote going with

[soundman]

Unvote You have a good reason for being a little on the inactive side. Though I think you could have put in a little more contribution that you have.
Now this is what I find scummy though:

where is soundman and clever dazz can we have a prod please

unvote
i want the two MIA to add something to this case or im going to vote for one of them

mob clever or soundman
my votes with soundman right now

Sorry. It's been a super busy week for me and when I finally had time there was nothing to add since we needed to wait for IB's claim.

I don't think we should lynch IB just yet. There is a chance that the framer got him. If later down the line we run out of leads then we can come back. Out of all the players I think Mob and Pershy are the scummiest. Mob has rarely posted and that's just not like him at all. That to me is scummy. Vote Mob

i have to agree with soundman on this one
if there is a chance the framer got him i dont wanna risk another town
and about mob rarely posting but being way more active in other games ...i havent really played with him before so i dont think i can vote for him
so therefore i wont vote for him yet(if he starts actiing scummy)

He basically repeats what I've said and what everyone else has said. Adds nothing to the discussion. Like Mob said he's just piggy backing off of my post to look like he's doing something helpful. I'm playing in another game with him and he has been much more active there than here. So I think Neb is on the right track. And since I don't think IB is the best choice for now I'll Vote Clever.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Don't have a vote yet
1.)I believe Cody is not scum
2.)the only people I can see as scum is
1.) iron butterfly
2.) mob deadly
3.) and pershy
But I dont know who I would wanna vote so right now im not gonna vote I'll look into it later and decide
fastposted by soundman

[Iron Butterfly]

Iron, I still suspect you're guilty. Codie's investigation says so.

However, you benefit from the fact that CLEVER has said absolutely nothing in this game.

I'm tired of his not contribution anything to this game. He's plenty active in all his other games...yet not one post here.

Iron gets the benefit of the 1% of doubt that I have about the framers chance of targeting him (well, actually its about 10%...)

UNVOTE VOTE SOME7HING CLEVER

I have already proven that I could easily have been targeted by Ragion as Cod specificly said he was going to target me for investigation. I would think that playing a framer is hard as there is no garuntee your target will be targeted by the cop. The cop said he was going to target me.

Explain to all of us why there is only a 10% chance? There would be 10% IF it were a completely random for the Framer to be sucessfull, which is definatley not the case.

We are dealing with human beings trying to win a game. A smart player would target the person they beleive has the highest probobility of being investigated. He targeted Cat. Edocil put her in the hotseat befor being NKd, which is a perfect setup for a framer.

Your saying there is only a 10% chance is extremly misleading? What I also find odd is the fact that we try and figure who would be scummy and try and put pressure on Mob and you comealong and try to redirect the investigation.

You also told Cod NOT to investigate you, by your own words. But then again we all know your town so why should Cod waste an investigation on you right?

[Iron Butterfly]

Because if Cat actually is town, then his investigation was crap. Plus, I'm an easy target for a lynch the next day, so the investigation won't matter, will it? Somewhere, we need to find people we can trust, that won't be killed. I'm the easy target for the investigation and if there is a framer out there, guess who he's framing? So, don't waste the investigation on me...pick someone else at random...or he should use his own theories. I'm too obvious.

Seems like Neb has a very short memory. For someone who thinks there is only a 10% chance of being framed he sure has strong opinions on it.

[codierose]

ib don't think i said i would target you i thought i gave a list whom i would target thats the reason why i investigated you in the first place hoping that you would not get framed. I was looking for a good result my thoughts where you would not get framed.
Also you say neb is confirmed town i don't recall this or is that just a jest.
why also does he think he's the easy target because he hammered hmm is his case just scum miss direction
fos neb

[Iron Butterfly]

ib don't think i said i would target you i thought i gave a list whom i would target thats the reason why i investigated you in the first place hoping that you would not get framed.[ quoted you directly on page 26. You specificly said you would definately target me/color]

I was looking for a good result my thoughts where you would not get framed.[color=#FF0000]Intentions and reality differ alot of times in mafia. I beleive your a cop now if that is any help to you lol.

Also you say neb is confirmed town i don't recall this or is that just a jest.
I was being sarcastic

why also does he think he's the easy target because he hammered hmm is his case just scum miss direction
fos neb

there seems to be alot of misdirection on Nebs part lately. That statement about me haveing a low percentage chance of being framed after you publicly stating you would investigete me struck me as scummy. Especially after the fact that he asked you not to investigate him because he was worried he would be framed.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Iron Butterfly...how am I being misdirecting?

My first vote was Ragian. While it was admittedly a weak case, I must have been picking up on something, eh?

My first case was Pershy. I stated quite clearly and factually why he stood out to me. I'm not sold he is town yet, but other cases have presented themselves that were a bit more weighty. I took my own stance, created my own case and made my own vote. Even though, I believe, you had started a case against Codie. That's not misdirection. That's me thinking for myself.

I switched to Wild William due to his rage post, which is a telltale sign of bad guys. They tend to post irrationally when cornered...and he wasn't even cornered. My call on him was right. (Note to Pershy...your vote on WW was a huge OMGUS vote...please don't take credit for "sniffing" out a bad guy.)

Day 2, I followed what our cop was detecting. Sure, I waivered a bit, because I wasn't totally convinced, but I didn't misdirect anyone. I stuck with our cop.

Day 3, Our cop comes back with another guilty vote. Of course, I'm going to pressure you. Would you not, had he come back with a guilty verdict on me? Seriously, to not pressure you would be stupid play. Based on your responses, I think we've got everything we can get from you. We either believe you or we don't.

Therefore, I moved on to my next target...Some7hingCLEVER. Is that misdirection? That dude hasn't posted more than 10 times, and half of those were to say, "I'll post something soon" or "hey, I'm active" only to have him never come back and add anything. Now he does post (which proves he's been reading everything, because he responded rather quickly), but really throws some crap out there. One of his points was "I think codie is clear." Thank you CLEVER...we didn't have that cleared up 13 pages ago! But thanks for the contribution.

So, please elaborate on how I'm being misleading. Is it solely the "don't investigate me" post? If anything, that would have cleared the way for Codie to investigate me, because, really, why would mafia kill/frame the guy that hammered the townie, when he'd probably get lynched the following day?

I'm being misleading? I think not.

[Iron Butterfly]

Funny how you convienieltly leave out your hammer of Cat on Page 23 five hours after she posts to defend herself. You rush in and hammer her like your the voice that counts. I even called you on it in my post afterwords.

You also fail to mention that you ask Cod NOT to investigate you. You imply you are town and it would be a waste of time anyways. I posted your direct quote above.

You question the possibility I could have been framed AFTER a mafia framer turns up dead, and could have easily framed me. Yet you ask Cod NOT to investigate you after you hammer Cat because you fear you might be framed but yet a framer has NOT been discovered. It was only speculation at this point.

Explain how you can be scared of being framed not knowing there was a framer and yet point out the low percentage rate and probobility I was framed when one turns up dead, and the Cop says hes going to investigate me. Its all in writing.

Lets start with that first shall we?

[Nebuchadnezer]

Funny how you convienieltly leave out your hammer of Cat on Page 23 five hours after she posts to defend herself. You rush in and hammer her like your the voice that counts. I even called you on it in my post afterwords.

I rushed in? I posted my intentions clearly. I came back many hours later. Cat did argue her case well, which is what made it hard for me to decide. In the end I went with the cop's results. In hindsight, I probably shouldn't have posted that I would hammer later that night, as mafia had to simply sit back and wait for me. However, I decided to go with the guilty verdict.

You also fail to mention that you ask Cod NOT to investigate you. You imply you are town and it would be a waste of time anyways. I posted your direct quote above.

Not sure what's so misdirecting about this? Codie is the cop. He will investigate who he wants. My asking him to NOT investigate me has no bearing on anything. If it accomplished anything, it would have confused framer as to who he should frame. I also pretty much guaranteed that the mafia wouldn't kill me...why kill the hammer of a townie?

You question the possibility I could have been framed AFTER a mafia framer turns up dead, and could have easily framed me. Yet you ask Cod NOT to investigate you after you hammer Cat because you fear you might be framed but yet a framer has NOT been discovered. It was only speculation at this point.

Explain how you can be scared of being framed not knowing there was a framer and yet point out the low percentage rate and probobility I was framed when one turns up dead, and the Cop says hes going to investigate me. Its all in writing.

I didn't question the possibility. I stated you had a 10% chance. Why? There were 10 players in the game...10% Now, upon further evaluation, 3 of those are probably mafia and Codie is the cop...so I guess it was a 1 in 6 chance. How the heck do you pin a case on my faulty math?

My post was simply covering the chance that there was a framer around. If Cat came up town, then I figured there had to be a framer, as codie is our only cop, and having one insane cop is unbalanced.

Lets start with that first shall we?

Anything else?