H.E. Mafia, Game Over, Town Prevails. [archive plox]

[new guy1]

I dont know, we could profile players who are still innactive (including myself kind of).

[dazza2008]

I dont know, we could profile players who are still innactive (including myself kind of).

What do you mean?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I am handling it lol im getting better at it

[ghostly447]

Would be more than willing to test his claim. I dont know about everyone else, but my vote stands. It is a tricky claim, but in my mind, one that should be tested due to the severity of the consequences, and the uneasiness it brings with it.

[soundman]

Would be more than willing to test his claim. I dont know about everyone else, but my vote stands. It is a tricky claim, but in my mind, one that should be tested due to the severity of the consequences, and the uneasiness it brings with it.

How would you test it? And why are you so back and forth in this post?
First you say "I'm willing to test his claim." then "My vote stands." then "It should be tested."
Well? Do you want to lynch him or test his claim? Is lynching him how you would test his claim? I got to say this post from you gets my scumdar going.

On another note, I'm not willing to lynch him (Some7hing) without a counterclaim. His claim doesn't sit well with me but I'm not willing to take the chance.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Ya? How would you test that ? Lynching seems the only way to do that

[safariguy5]

Have we found a replacement for la galleta or did tails just not update the OP?

[chapcrap]

His claim doesn't sit well with me but I'm not willing to take the chance.

This.

It doesn't make sense to lynch the only claimed doctor. If we're worred about whether or not he's insane, he doesn't have to target people for now, but lynching him does not seem right to me. I've already been burned by this.

[ghostly447]

Would be more than willing to test his claim. I dont know about everyone else, but my vote stands. It is a tricky claim, but in my mind, one that should be tested due to the severity of the consequences, and the uneasiness it brings with it.

How would you test it? And why are you so back and forth in this post?
First you say "I'm willing to test his claim." then "My vote stands." then "It should be tested."
Well? Do you want to lynch him or test his claim? Is lynching him how you would test his claim? I got to say this post from you gets my scumdar going.

On another note, I'm not willing to lynch him (Some7hing) without a counterclaim. His claim doesn't sit well with me but I'm not willing to take the chance.

Test by lunch was my thoughts. I have not swayed a bit. My thoughts have always been to test by Lynch on him. The claim doesn't sit well. And why in the hell would it help to have another doctor come out? Another doctor for them to kill during the night are those the intentions of the town? Not talking about just you there have been other to suggest it.

We need no counterclaim from another doctor. That defeats the purpose of our power roles staying hidden and defending or watching or following their thoughts on a good lead.

[ghostly447]

His claim doesn't sit well with me but I'm not willing to take the chance.

This.

It doesn't make sense to lynch the only claimed doctor. If we're worred about whether or not he's insane, he doesn't have to target people for now, but lynching him does not seem right to me. I've already been burned by this.

Have we as a community forgotten the concept of a fake claim? Whether one was provided or not, most are very good and do exactly this -cause extreme confusion-.

I believe it to be a fake claim. If it were a doctor, I do not feel that the mod would even think of causing this much confusion unless the Mafia were at a disadvantage. I don't know, it just isn't something I want to leave. We have delved too far into this to give him a bye. Before his claim, there were tons of people ready to lynch. But I noticed a trend of the players who were first on his case, and first to back off. I will type it up tomorrow morning. Because I can already see my death tonight whether the players I accuse are the Mafia or not.

[MoB Deadly]

I haven't been told about a Hyde in my pm
So im kinda as clueless as everyone
I wouldnt be surprised if I was a flip and not told about it
Or that there is an sk as Hyde so it's a secret to me as well
Either way I don't even know so I wouldn't be any help

I think he is scum but its really tough to decide to lynch a claimed doc without a counterclaim.

[MoB Deadly]

Oh I swear the first time I read that quote it said "I wouldn't be surprised if I flip scum and not told about it.. Nevermind lol... post-fail

[strike wolf]

His claim doesn't sit well with me but I'm not willing to take the chance.

This.

It doesn't make sense to lynch the only claimed doctor. If we're worred about whether or not he's insane, he doesn't have to target people for now, but lynching him does not seem right to me. I've already been burned by this.

Have we as a community forgotten the concept of a fake claim? Whether one was provided or not, most are very good and do exactly this -cause extreme confusion-.

I believe it to be a fake claim. If it were a doctor, I do not feel that the mod would even think of causing this much confusion unless the Mafia were at a disadvantage. I don't know, it just isn't something I want to leave. We have delved too far into this to give him a bye. Before his claim, there were tons of people ready to lynch. But I noticed a trend of the players who were first on his case, and first to back off. I will type it up tomorrow morning. Because I can already see my death tonight whether the players I accuse are the Mafia or not.

SO you don't mind potentially risking the doc?

[ghostly447]

His claim doesn't sit well with me but I'm not willing to take the chance.

This.

It doesn't make sense to lynch the only claimed doctor. If we're worred about whether or not he's insane, he doesn't have to target people for now, but lynching him does not seem right to me. I've already been burned by this.

Have we as a community forgotten the concept of a fake claim? Whether one was provided or not, most are very good and do exactly this -cause extreme confusion-.

I believe it to be a fake claim. If it were a doctor, I do not feel that the mod would even think of causing this much confusion unless the Mafia were at a disadvantage. I don't know, it just isn't something I want to leave. We have delved too far into this to give him a bye. Before his claim, there were tons of people ready to lynch. But I noticed a trend of the players who were first on his case, and first to back off. I will type it up tomorrow morning. Because I can already see my death tonight whether the players I accuse are the Mafia or not.

SO you don't mind potentially risking the doc?

I mind it. But I feel that it is a fake claim, and that the people attempting to have a doctor counterclaim are his scum buddies. I will put that together tomorrow in class on a computer.


He had 5 posts day 2, 3 being fluff and the other 2 ending up with no value. I do not trust his claim a bit. So yes, I would be willing to risk a doctor, but only because there

[strike wolf]

I have to agree as far as a doctor CCing being pointless. It doesn't necessarily mean he's scum with the insane doc potential and it's high risk.

[ghostly447]

Are several people who led the case against him but backed off far too fast for comfort.

Sorry. Phone again. This is to finish off my other post.

[chapcrap]

I have already stated why I backed off the vote.

You're right that mafia can have fake claims and most of the time they do these days. I just find it unlikely there is not a doctor in a game this size. Has CLEVER given off scum tells? Yes, but he's also new, so who knows what it means?

[ghostly447]

I have already stated why I backed off the vote.

You're right that mafia can have fake claims and most of the time they do these days. I just find it unlikely there is not a doctor in a game this size. Has CLEVER given off scum tells? Yes, but he's also new, so who knows what it means?

So you are with the group who wants our potentially only doctor to CC? That isn't helping the town, that is promafia.

[chapcrap]

I'm not sure what CC means, ghostly. What are you saying?

I'm with the group that doesn't want to risk mislynching a doctor.

[ghostly447]

I'm not sure what CC means, ghostly. What are you saying?

I'm with the group that doesn't want to risk mislynching a doctor.

Counterclaim. And by mislynch a doctor you also mean you want a doctor to come on here an CC therefore if clever actually is scum then we lose our doctor tonight. Honestly I would rather test the claim by lynch than have another doctor claim out there.

[DoomYoshi]

Testing a claim by lynch isn't actually testing it.

To test it, one would come to a conclusion regarding whether or not the claim is to be believed IN ORDER TO ACT UPON THAT INFORMATION.

While you are correct that it is a test since we will know whether or not he is scum by lynching, you are missing out on the whole in order to act upon that information. We can't make a decision whether or not to lynch him based on what happened when we lynched him.

[ghostly447]

Testing a claim by lynch isn't actually testing it.

To test it, one would come to a conclusion regarding whether or not the claim is to be believed IN ORDER TO ACT UPON THAT INFORMATION.

While you are correct that it is a test since we will know whether or not he is scum by lynching, you are missing out on the whole in order to act upon that information. We can't make a decision whether or not to lynch him based on what happened when we lynched him.

You are the one that headed this case if I do recall. That is not out of your nature in my past experience with you. What is however put of your nature in my past experience is your leniency to his claim. You pressured him to the point of a claim and then backed off with nearly no deeper analyzing. It just so happens you are one of the potential five I planned to dog up stuff on once I get on a computer.

I will post more of substance tommorow of I can. For now I will be pretty much inactive besides maybe 1 or 2 more posts. For now we return to the cliff hanger :p

[strike wolf]

Ghostly, I'm not sure you understand the importance of a doctor claim. It is one of the few claims that you do not lynch unless you're more than 90% sure that the person is scum. It's beyond pretty much any other role that you just don't lynch casually even more so than cop. It's not unusual at all for people to be this highly cautious about lynching a claimed doctor.

[ghostly447]

Ghostly, I'm not sure you understand the importance of a doctor claim. It is one of the few claims that you do not lynch unless you're more than 90% sure that the person is scum. It's beyond pretty much any other role that you just don't lynch casually even more so than cop. It's not unusual at all for people to be this highly cautious about lynching a claimed doctor.

The fluff posts did not change just because he claimed doctor. And if the doctor claim is one you do not test then I believe everyone will claim it in other games over and over. My point is, before his claim there were several heading it and ten he claimed Jekyll and all of a sudden we went directly to other possibilities. Toshiba was even one of the first. One who normally heads cases gets claims and goes from there just decided to sit back and believe the claim instead of delving deeper? With yoshi's experience and clever being a noob, I a more than 90% sure Toshiba tried to throw him under the bus knowing only good could come from it. We either Lynch him and think yoshi is on our side or clever claims well and is immediately cleared. One Mafia goes on under the radar while we think they are town.

While posting I noticed that my phone auto corrects yoshi to Toshiba. Please fill in his name if you see any Toshiba's, I took out a few.

[spiesr]

Test by lunch was my thoughts. I have not swayed a bit. My thoughts have always been to test by Lynch on him. The claim doesn't sit well. And why in the hell would it help to have another doctor come out? Another doctor for them to kill during the night are those the intentions of the town? Not talking about just you there have been other to suggest it.

We need no counterclaim from another doctor. That defeats the purpose of our power roles staying hidden and defending or watching or following their thoughts on a good lead.

Hmm, I think I am basically going to have to agree with ghostly here. (Which feels kind of weird as usually everything he says makes me think scum.) I am personally okay with lynching SomethingClever at this point. I accept the possibility that we might be lynching our doctor as I simply don't think the risk is even that great at this point. SomethingClever has been king of scummy at the beginning of the day and that lead us to his claim. As for the claim itself, I think that there is a decent chance that it is a fake-claim and that the accompanying weirdness originates in SomethingClever not considering the possible implications of what he was claiming. Since opinions on doctors making a counter-claim are divided and that we have three players who haven't posted since his claim, I don't think we can even rule out the possibility that there is another doctor who hasn't made a counter-claim. (On this note, TAILGUNNER, could you prod pancakemix and maybe Victor Sullivan? Also, in case you missed it before, la galleta is guested and needs to be replaced.) Also, should his claim be "true" I am not sure if we can really ever trust him given the flavor. There doesn't seem to be any desirable way that we can prove that his existence isn't causing Mr. Hyde to being killing people in some shape or form. Some people have suggested that to mitigate any risks from him that we should ask him not to use his powers. While this would prevent any deaths by his hand if he is a CPR or insane doctor, it wouldn't stop him either turning into or being linked with a serial killer or something. What it does if leave us in a situation where his character is so untrustworthy that whatever potential powers he brings to the town have been marginalized to a vanilla townie equivalent at best. So, do we really have that much to lose if we turn out to be wrong about this lynch? I mean I understand and conventionally agree with the hesitancy to lynch a claimed doctor, and I see that even lynching a useless town aligned role is never a good result. However, in this situation, I think that it might be the most efficient option that we can reasonably pursue at this juncture. Vote SomethingClever.

I believe it to be a fake claim. If it were a doctor, I do not feel that the mod would even think of causing this much confusion unless the Mafia were at a disadvantage. I don't know, it just isn't something I want to leave. We have delved too far into this to give him a bye. Before his claim, there were tons of people ready to lynch. But I noticed a trend of the players who were first on his case, and first to back off. I will type it up tomorrow morning. Because I can already see my death tonight whether the players I accuse are the Mafia or not.

Oh yes, expressing the sentiment that the mafia will surely kill you for being able to see the truth. There's the scum sense triggering ghostly that I know...