Eurasia Map [Old thread]

[natty dread]

Can't we get this stickied again? So people will know to post any gameplay concerns now if there are any...

[natty dread]

I think Mongolia could be reduced to 2, as it's another 3-region bonus... although, unlike the other 3-region bonuses, it has 3 borders and can't be reduced to 2, and it's also in a more central location. However, when held together with Manchuria it only adds 2 borders to it, so 2 could be more in line with the gameplay in general...

[DoomYoshi]

British Islands are way too powerful I think. Bonus of 1 would be more fitting, or add an extra border there to balance it - Scotland to Faroe?

[The Bison King]

British Islands are way too powerful I think. Bonus of 1 would be more fitting, or add an extra border there to balance it - Scotland to Faroe?

Disagree.

[natty dread]

This has already been discussed before... the brits are fine as they are now, especially now that there are 2 other 3-region bonuses on the other side of the map balancing it.

[natty dread]

I made the change of Mongolia -> 2. With this I think the bonus scheme is now as optimal as can be expected.

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[AndyDufresne]

You could change "Indian Peninsula" to "Indian Subcontinent" as the region is sometimes known as, since "peninsula" most likely exclude areas not touching water or nearly surrounded by it (Nepal, Assam, Delhi, Kashmir). But Peninsula is shorter and probably sifts in your legend better so I don't think there is a real issue. Additionally, subcontinent itself may be a confusing term, because this map has superbonuses.


--Andy

[natty dread]

From what I gather, the term "Indian Peninsula" is used pretty much interchangeably with "Indian Subcontinent". They even direct to the same page on wikipedia.

[The Bison King]

From what I gather, the term "Indian Peninsula" is used pretty much interchangeably with "Indian Subcontinent". They even direct to the same page on wikipedia.

Yeah, I think he knew it was "Interchangeable" thus the suggestion to change it. I like "subcontinent better but it really doesn't matter. I think that India is big to the point where it just seems goofy to call it a peninsula. Like yeah it's surrounded by water on 3 sides but so is Europe, or sub-saharan Africa, and those are not considered peninsulas. This goes hand in hand with the argument that Australia is an Island and a continent (which is stupid), because, yeah, it is surrounded on all sides by water but so is Antarctica or the America's, but no one calls those islands. Islands are apart from continents and continents are too big to be considered islands. If one can be both, both definitions loose meaning.

Of course the terms are interchangeable, the question is which term is more desirable? I would say subcontinent for the reasons mentioned above, but it really doesn't matter since despite my dissenting opinion on the definition of peninsula, it is considered a valid term for the region. So it is entirely subjective and up to the preference of the map maker.

TL:DR

Whichever (I just felt like writing)

[natty dread]

I'm choosing Peninsula purely because it fits better in the legend.

[The Bison King]

I'm choosing Peninsula purely because it fits better in the legend.

Lol, totally legit. K.

[DoomYoshi]

This has already been discussed before... the brits are fine as they are now, especially now that there are 2 other 3-region bonuses on the other side of the map balancing it.

Mongolia has 5 borders and South China has 9... How is that balanced?

[Victor Sullivan]

This has already been discussed before... the brits are fine as they are now, especially now that there are 2 other 3-region bonuses on the other side of the map balancing it.

Mongolia has 5 borders and South China has 9... How is that balanced?

Maybe connect England to Benelux? You could add the connection or put that instead of the connection between it and France.

-Sully

[The Bison King]

This has already been discussed before... the brits are fine as they are now, especially now that there are 2 other 3-region bonuses on the other side of the map balancing it.

Mongolia has 5 borders and South China has 9... How is that balanced?

I agree that Mongolia should be +3 (If that's what you were Implying)

If you are further implying that the brits need adjustment I completely disagree and honestly cannot believe that this is still being discussed. +2 is just not that much on a map of this scale. It's fair. Get over it.

This has already been discussed before... the brits are fine as they are now, especially now that there are 2 other 3-region bonuses on the other side of the map balancing it.

Mongolia has 5 borders and South China has 9... How is that balanced?

Maybe connect England to Benelux? You could add the connection or put that instead of the connection between it and France.

-Sully

NO! It's fine.

[natty dread]

This has already been discussed before... the brits are fine as they are now, especially now that there are 2 other 3-region bonuses on the other side of the map balancing it.

Mongolia has 5 borders and South China has 9... How is that balanced?

No they don't, Mongolia has 3 borders and South China has 2. I think you're talking about regions that assault them which matters less. Way less. In fact it's borderline irrelevant in this case (no pun intended).

I reduced Mongolia to 2 because it's only 2 extra borders when held together with Manchuria. Like I always say, bonuses don't exist in a vacuum, you have to consider how they interact with each other, and on a map of this scale that is even more true.

That said, there's a case to be made for 3 as well, but I believe it will work better as a 2, so let's leave this up to beta - if it seems too weak then I can up it back to 3.

Maybe connect England to Benelux?

I don't see the point.

Britain is fine. Sure, by holding it with France you can hold it with only 2 borders, but what then? You're not going to win the game with a +2 bonus. You'll eventually have to expand to either West europe or Nordics, and either direction will increase your borders every step of the way. As a place to start, I'm not even sure Britain is the best option - there are many good alternatives, such as East India, South China, Manchuria...

[Gillipig]

Beautiful!

[BadgerJelly]

relanzon joined the site 09 Sep 2009, 09:09
Let's take that again: He joined nine minutes over nine the ninth day of the ninth month (September) in the year 2009. Haha. I'm easily amused

Thats freaky!

[natty dread]

Beautiful!

Oh, you noticed! I've been working out...

[natty dread]

So, any more concerns about the gameplay?

[Djangoo]

No, release it!

[natty dread]

I'm not holding it captive...

[natty dread]

If there's no further gameplay input, I'll be starting the work on the small image soonish.

[Victor Sullivan]

Yeah, I think it's fine.

-Sully

[natty dread]

I have created the small image.

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[natty dread]

A worst-case-scenario army number test

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