Interesting Mafia! GAME OVER ~ MAFIA WINS ~

[zimmah]

vote thehippo in a 13 man game i don't think there will be 2 doctors.

[MoB Deadly]

Day 2 - Vote Count 1

AndyDufresne -
BGtheBrain -
dazza2008 -
Gilligan -
Iron Butterfly -
Leehar -
strike wolf -
soundman -
spiesr -
(3) thehippo8 - Iron Butterfly, Victor Sullivan, Zimmah
Victor Sullivan -
zimmah -


With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to Lynch or No Lynch.

[soundman]

I think I may have figured out the "interesting" part of this mafia. So far we have a claimed back up cop which tells us that there is also a cop. And now we have a confirmed doctor and a claimed doctor. I think that the "interesting" part is that there are two of every role! If hippo were mafia I don't think he would claim doctor because of the likelihood of there being one already in the game. So I think he's telling the truth and that, coupled with two cops, leads me to believe that this is the case. This sort of thing seems to be right up Mob's alley.

Thoughts?

[Victor Sullivan]

Nah... Two doctors wouldn't make any sense from the perspective of the set-up creator (i.e. the mod). And with the existence of a cop and backup cop, you'd think if there was a second doc, it would be a backup doc, but even that is unlikely. At any rate, hippo did not claim backup doctor. He must be scum.

-Sully

[zimmah]

I think I may have figured out the "interesting" part of this mafia. So far we have a claimed back up cop which tells us that there is also a cop. And now we have a confirmed doctor and a claimed doctor. I think that the "interesting" part is that there are two of every role! If hippo were mafia I don't think he would claim doctor because of the likelihood of there being one already in the game. So I think he's telling the truth and that, coupled with two cops, leads me to believe that this is the case. This sort of thing seems to be right up Mob's alley.

Thoughts?

two docs and two cops would be way overpowered, and if there were 2 docs, then 1 would have another name or 1 would be a nurse in fact (a back-up doc). i believe hippo lied and should be lynched.

noted that you are trying to protect hippo.

[Gilligan]

I agree with Victor and zimmah.

vote hippo

[strike wolf]

Two docs, one claimed, one dead, evidence of only one attempted kill. The math does not work out for two full powered doctors. The other options could be that he is one of those rare variations of doctor, however naive doctor is practically never used as it is pretty much useless other than maybe absorbing a mafia kill who thought they were aiming at the main doctor, paranoid doctor (role blocks and protects similar to a jailkeeper) which also seems a bit unlikely as a full fledged doc and a jailkeeper type role seeems powerful for a 13 player game. This leaves CPR doctor who kills his targets unless someone else targets them to be killed and an insane doctor who would have a 50/50 shot at protecting or killing his target. These still don't seem likely and are what I would label low risk lynches. I imagine for thirteen players we probably have either a bodyguard or maybe a watcher but not a jailkeeper type role. So I'm thinking it is a lie.

As far as why edocsil did not counterclaim...my rough scale of roles looks roughly like this:

1 scum=2.4 vts
1 scum=1.8 average power role.
1 scum=1.6 cop
1 scum=1.3 doctor

Basing it on this, out of all the roles doctor should be the most careful claiming. It is a rough scale but a day 1 doctor claim is bad mmkay. Edocsil made the right decision.

That being said, I'll restrict myself from voting until we have heard from everyone.

[MoB Deadly]

Day 2 - Vote Count 2

AndyDufresne -
BGtheBrain -
dazza2008 -
Gilligan -
Iron Butterfly -
Leehar -
strike wolf -
soundman -
spiesr -
(4, L-3) thehippo8 - Iron Butterfly, Victor Sullivan, Zimmah, Gilligan
Victor Sullivan -
zimmah -


With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to Lynch or No Lynch.

[Iron Butterfly]

Two docs, one claimed, one dead, evidence of only one attempted kill. The math does not work out for two full powered doctors. The other options could be that he is one of those rare variations of doctor, however naive doctor is practically never used as it is pretty much useless other than maybe absorbing a mafia kill who thought they were aiming at the main doctor, paranoid doctor (role blocks and protects similar to a jailkeeper) which also seems a bit unlikely as a full fledged doc and a jailkeeper type role seeems powerful for a 13 player game. This leaves CPR doctor who kills his targets unless someone else targets them to be killed and an insane doctor who would have a 50/50 shot at protecting or killing his target. These still don't seem likely and are what I would label low risk lynches. I imagine for thirteen players we probably have either a bodyguard or maybe a watcher but not a jailkeeper type role. So I'm thinking it is a lie.

As far as why edocsil did not counterclaim...my rough scale of roles looks roughly like this:

1 scum=2.4 vts
1 scum=1.8 average power role.
1 scum=1.6 cop
1 scum=1.3 doctor

Basing it on this, out of all the roles doctor should be the most careful claiming. It is a rough scale but a day 1 doctor claim is bad mmkay. Edocsil made the right decision.

That being said, I'll restrict myself from voting until we have heard from everyone.

A well written post that sums up all the options. For me a deciding factor is how he claimed. If you notice his post before he claimed he seemed to be playing word games..IE he was hinting he was a Doc. A pure Doc. He was telling everyone he was a Doc without outright saying so. Kind of silly if you ask me.

If he was a hybrid doc he should have claimed he was one as this type of scenario was going to eventualy arise.

[soundman]

I think I may have figured out the "interesting" part of this mafia. So far we have a claimed back up cop which tells us that there is also a cop. And now we have a confirmed doctor and a claimed doctor. I think that the "interesting" part is that there are two of every role! If hippo were mafia I don't think he would claim doctor because of the likelihood of there being one already in the game. So I think he's telling the truth and that, coupled with two cops, leads me to believe that this is the case. This sort of thing seems to be right up Mob's alley.

Thoughts?

two docs and two cops would be way overpowered, and if there were 2 docs, then 1 would have another name or 1 would be a nurse in fact (a back-up doc). i believe hippo lied and should be lynched.

noted that you are trying to protect hippo.

I'm not trying to protect hippo, I'm trying to show all the options before we rush a lynch. Mob did say that this game was "not so standard". We don't have a deadline so I see no point in a speed lynch. I'd at least like to hear hippo defend himself one last time before we decide to lynch him.

[zimmah]

Two docs, one claimed, one dead, evidence of only one attempted kill. The math does not work out for two full powered doctors. The other options could be that he is one of those rare variations of doctor, however naive doctor is practically never used as it is pretty much useless other than maybe absorbing a mafia kill who thought they were aiming at the main doctor, paranoid doctor (role blocks and protects similar to a jailkeeper) which also seems a bit unlikely as a full fledged doc and a jailkeeper type role seeems powerful for a 13 player game. This leaves CPR doctor who kills his targets unless someone else targets them to be killed and an insane doctor who would have a 50/50 shot at protecting or killing his target. These still don't seem likely and are what I would label low risk lynches. I imagine for thirteen players we probably have either a bodyguard or maybe a watcher but not a jailkeeper type role. So I'm thinking it is a lie.

As far as why edocsil did not counterclaim...my rough scale of roles looks roughly like this:

1 scum=2.4 vts
1 scum=1.8 average power role.
1 scum=1.6 cop
1 scum=1.3 doctor

Basing it on this, out of all the roles doctor should be the most careful claiming. It is a rough scale but a day 1 doctor claim is bad mmkay. Edocsil made the right decision.

That being said, I'll restrict myself from voting until we have heard from everyone.

even then, having two players have exactly the same rolename would be bastardish because one would counterclaim the other and in the end they're both dead.

[Iron Butterfly]

Two docs, one claimed, one dead, evidence of only one attempted kill. The math does not work out for two full powered doctors. The other options could be that he is one of those rare variations of doctor, however naive doctor is practically never used as it is pretty much useless other than maybe absorbing a mafia kill who thought they were aiming at the main doctor, paranoid doctor (role blocks and protects similar to a jailkeeper) which also seems a bit unlikely as a full fledged doc and a jailkeeper type role seeems powerful for a 13 player game. This leaves CPR doctor who kills his targets unless someone else targets them to be killed and an insane doctor who would have a 50/50 shot at protecting or killing his target. These still don't seem likely and are what I would label low risk lynches. I imagine for thirteen players we probably have either a bodyguard or maybe a watcher but not a jailkeeper type role. So I'm thinking it is a lie.

As far as why edocsil did not counterclaim...my rough scale of roles looks roughly like this:

1 scum=2.4 vts
1 scum=1.8 average power role.
1 scum=1.6 cop
1 scum=1.3 doctor

Basing it on this, out of all the roles doctor should be the most careful claiming. It is a rough scale but a day 1 doctor claim is bad mmkay. Edocsil made the right decision.

That being said, I'll restrict myself from voting until we have heard from everyone.

even then, having two players have exactly the same rolename would be bastardish because one would counterclaim the other and in the end they're both dead.

good point. What circumstance would dictate be in needing two docs? Granted this is Interesting Mafia but game balance is a factor as well. Considering we only had 1 night kill. In the several games I have played, which have all been "Interesting" even with Serial Killers, Vigilantes, Joats with one shot kills there has only been the need for 1 doc.

If a game REALLY needed two docs I would think the death toll would havplayere been higher last night. If the game NEEDED two docs I would think that would be because there would be more roles for killing. Granted its only day two.

Mods do not create games with two PURE Docs for a reason. If someone could show me a game that used two docs and how it worked I would be interested in seeing it.

As I write this I also just realized that having two docs would be a waste of energy and could ruin game synergy. Two Docs protecting the same player would be a wasted role space. It just seems it would do more harm then good game play wise.

[AndyDufresne]

Unless the interesting part of "Interesting Mafia" is that "you" (all of us) have a double of some sort, but that sounds pretty iffy to me.


--Andy

[Iron Butterfly]

So whats the deal? Where is everyone?

Its not like there is nothing interesting going on..cmon people wake up!

[dazza2008]

I hoped Hippo would come and defend himself. I know he said he was on holiday but I hoped he would get in here and say something. Not sure what he could say here though so I will Vote Hippo.

[MoB Deadly]

Day 2 - Vote Count 3

AndyDufresne -
BGtheBrain -
dazza2008 -
Gilligan -
Iron Butterfly -
Leehar -
strike wolf -
soundman -
spiesr -
(5, L-2) thehippo8 - Iron Butterfly, Victor Sullivan, Zimmah, Gilligan, dazza2008
Victor Sullivan -
zimmah -


With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to Lynch or No Lynch.

[BGtheBrain]

****

[AndyDufresne]

I'd like to give hippo the benefit of the doubt that his planned absence isn't a tactic, but like BGtheBrain, I don't think much he can say will sway my vote. I think we gave Hippo a lot of ample time to "save himself" on Day 1, which turned out to work against us, through prolonging his stay in the game.

Vote: Thehippo8


--Andy

[MoB Deadly]

Day 2 - Vote Count 4

AndyDufresne -
BGtheBrain -
dazza2008 -
Gilligan -
Iron Butterfly -
Leehar -
strike wolf -
soundman -
spiesr -
(6, L-1) thehippo8 - Iron Butterfly, Victor Sullivan, Zimmah, Gilligan, dazza2008, AndyDufresne
Victor Sullivan -
zimmah -


With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to Lynch or No Lynch.



Keep it active guys, I'm falling asleep as I mod this! I have 3 votecounts on one page....

[strike wolf]

I don't really have anything to say right now. Hippo is the correct lynch just not quite ready to hammer.

[soundman]

I don't really have anything to say right now. Hippo is the correct lynch just not quite ready to hammer.

Ditto, would like to hear him say something in his defense first.

[MoB Deadly]

I checked my outbox, he still hasn't opened my message sent on 12/31 notifying that Day 2 started...

[spiesr]

Normally I would want to hear from Hippo before we go forward with this lynch, but at this point I don't know if it is going to happen. In the interest of keeping things moving I will drop the hammer now. Vote Hippo

[MoB Deadly]

Thats a Lynch. Scene and Night will begin within a couple hours, please standby and be silent.

[MoB Deadly]

Everyone in Colorful Village reconvened in the Town Square for another debate of who the murderer is. They did not waste any time today. They immediately looked for Hippo... he was not at the square. They barged into his home, he was still fast asleep. "We have to find out if he is evil!" one proclaimed. They all pulled out their knives began stabbing him. Colorful blood sprayed everywhere. One reached his hand in Hippos chest and pulled out his heart.. It was colorful, not black.

THEHIPPO8 - Town Naive Doctor - Has been lynched!


The townsfolk went to bed unhappy. They hoped they weren't the next victim.

IT IS NOW NIGHT 2! PLEASE SEND IN ALL NIGHT ACTIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. DEADLINE: Sunday, January 8th, at 7PM EST.




PLEASE BE SILENT!