The SquirrelMasters' Quest (25/25) Night 1~A quick getaway

[safariguy5]

The reason I bring it up is Mr. S's reply to my suggestion.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=145610&start=45

His original idea for the game came from Post 41.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=145610&start=41

And his separate thread for announcing the game is here.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=154420


So I don't know for sure if the adventurers gain more abilities by killing monsters, but the possibility is there.

So no, I don't think spiesr or I dropped scum tells, speculation of a new type of game setup is nothing new and not scummy.

But I think it's interesting which people immediately abandoned thegeneral case, (which I think is much more compelling) and headed straight for spiesr and me.

FOS zimmah, ghostly and MoB for trying to divert attention away from the main case. I want to hear a claim before we move on to someone else.

And seriously people, research is your best friend.

1. Scum tend to phrase things like this. Scum would defend their scumbuddy. Town would wonder is spiesr is scum. You don't wonder at all and immediately shift attention away from the subject.

2. Scum tend to be overly concerned with their own well being. As a result, they do a lot of research in their defense.

3. Scum tend to give information away that can't be proven. Why can't it be proven? Because town doesn't know about it.

4. Scum tend to divert attention away from themselves.

For everyone else who is wondering, yes, I am lurking. That is the way I play. I lurk until I see something and then I attack. Not sure if this is enough to get my attack, just wanted to point it out.

You never answered my question. How exactly would going by your strategy help town lynch mafia in a timely manner?

As for what you think about me, I'm not worried because I have a claim that can backed up by other people. And I suppose we can add submarining to the list of scumtells on you then.

[zimmah]

zimmah - it's called a joke vote. I in no way tried to persuade people to surrender. It was my first post! How could I be voting seriously at that stage in the game?

-Sully

why not participate in the normal jokevotes, like you do in every game? why issue a fall back? i don't see the logic.

[zimmah]

The reason I bring it up is Mr. S's reply to my suggestion.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=145610&start=45

His original idea for the game came from Post 41.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=145610&start=41

And his separate thread for announcing the game is here.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=154420


So I don't know for sure if the adventurers gain more abilities by killing monsters, but the possibility is there.

So no, I don't think spiesr or I dropped scum tells, speculation of a new type of game setup is nothing new and not scummy.

But I think it's interesting which people immediately abandoned thegeneral case, (which I think is much more compelling) and headed straight for spiesr and me.

FOS zimmah, ghostly and MoB for trying to divert attention away from the main case. I want to hear a claim before we move on to someone else.

And seriously people, research is your best friend.

1. Scum tend to phrase things like this. Scum would defend their scumbuddy. Town would wonder is spiesr is scum. You don't wonder at all and immediately shift attention away from the subject.

2. Scum tend to be overly concerned with their own well being. As a result, they do a lot of research in their defense.

3. Scum tend to give information away that can't be proven. Why can't it be proven? Because town doesn't know about it.

4. Scum tend to divert attention away from themselves.

For everyone else who is wondering, yes, I am lurking. That is the way I play. I lurk until I see something and then I attack. Not sure if this is enough to get my attack, just wanted to point it out.

You never answered my question. How exactly would going by your strategy help town lynch mafia in a timely manner?

As for what you think about me, I'm not worried because I have a claim that can backed up by other people. And I suppose we can add submarining to the list of scumtells on you then.

altho general does have valid points in his last game, general himself is still suspisous

1) advocating NL even tho he has not done that in other games on this site (as far as i know) while clearly being more experienced then i thought at first (so it's likely not a "noob action")

2) being very active under pressure while admitting to lurk during periods of less pressure on him, and immediatly trying to reflect a new wave of presure

i probably missed some but those are the main 2.

[zimmah]

The reason I bring it up is Mr. S's reply to my suggestion.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=145610&start=45

His original idea for the game came from Post 41.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=145610&start=41

And his separate thread for announcing the game is here.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=154420


So I don't know for sure if the adventurers gain more abilities by killing monsters, but the possibility is there.

So no, I don't think spiesr or I dropped scum tells, speculation of a new type of game setup is nothing new and not scummy.

But I think it's interesting which people immediately abandoned thegeneral case, (which I think is much more compelling) and headed straight for spiesr and me.

FOS zimmah, ghostly and MoB for trying to divert attention away from the main case. I want to hear a claim before we move on to someone else.

And seriously people, research is your best friend.

1. Scum tend to phrase things like this. Scum would defend their scumbuddy. Town would wonder is spiesr is scum. You don't wonder at all and immediately shift attention away from the subject.

2. Scum tend to be overly concerned with their own well being. As a result, they do a lot of research in their defense.

3. Scum tend to give information away that can't be proven. Why can't it be proven? Because town doesn't know about it.

4. Scum tend to divert attention away from themselves.

For everyone else who is wondering, yes, I am lurking. That is the way I play. I lurk until I see something and then I attack. Not sure if this is enough to get my attack, just wanted to point it out.

You never answered my question. How exactly would going by your strategy help town lynch mafia in a timely manner?

As for what you think about me, I'm not worried because I have a claim that can backed up by other people. And I suppose we can add submarining to the list of scumtells on you then.

altho general does have valid points in his last post, general himself is still suspisous

1) advocating NL even tho he has not done that in other games on this site (as far as i know) while clearly being more experienced then i thought at first (so it's likely not a "noob action")

2) being very active under pressure while admitting to lurk during periods of less pressure on him, and immediatly trying to reflect a new wave of presure

i probably missed some but those are the main 2.

Edit by quoting

[Mr. Squirrel]

Current Battlefield Rundown:

Rodion (1) - Haggis_Mcmutton
drunkmonkey (1) - sensfan,
Victor (3) - sensfan, PCM, edocsil,
Trinicardinal (2) - /, drake
doomyoshi (1) - soundman
spiesr (2) - jonty, ghostly
thegeneral (9) - safariguy, doomyoshi, victor sullivan, thehippo, trinicardinal, iliad, chapcrap, drunkmonkey, zimmah
Surrender has been declared by 1: general2112

It takes 13 to kill.
Deadline tentatively set for a week from today

[chapcrap]

zimmah - it's called a joke vote. I in no way tried to persuade people to surrender. It was my first post! How could I be voting seriously at that stage in the game?

-Sully

why not participate in the normal jokevotes, like you do in every game? why issue a fall back? i don't see the logic.

Normal joke votes?

I have no idea if VS is scum or not, but this is silly. He surrendered because it's not part of a normal mafia game and he thought it was quirky/funny/odd/whatever. When it's in the joke stage, you can't take it seriously.

[DoomYoshi]

Ok guys, we have a time limit. Now is the time to prove to the general that if he is not going to try to win, then he has to die.

[trinicardinal]

Ok guys, we have a time limit. Now is the time to prove to the general that if he is not going to try to win, then he has to die.

Agreed - time to drop some of your joke votes and and least get 1 claim out from D1. we have time for more than that too and we certainly have some cases to pursue further

*continues to Attack the General*

[TheGeneral2112]

Seriously, do not make me fucking claim because you don't like my playstyle. You will regret it.

[trinicardinal]

Seriously, do not make me fucking claim because you don't like my playstyle. You will regret it.

So we're supposed to let you drop it because you threaten us and have a foul mouth? Don't be an idiot. You have been acting somewhat scummy and are being called out because of that.

[ghostly447]

I want thegeneral to claim. No need for that language, and what do you mean we will regret it? You either claim and die or claim and we prove your innocence. I dont see it going any other way. There is no reason to regret it if we are proving your guilt, or your innocence.

[trinicardinal]

I want thegeneral to claim. No need for that language, and what do you mean we will regret it? You either claim and die or claim and we prove your innocence. I dont see it going any other way. There is no reason to regret it if we are proving your guilt, or your innocence.

Agreed - no need for the language. Its a simple situation and if you have a super power role that can have such an effect for town it is not very wise to be carrying on in the way that you have been.

(Also, I fear a rage quit.)

might be right, but seriously, i have started to think the selfproclaimed 'general' is either a child, or acting like one, and the gap between how awesome he thinks he is, and how awesome he really is, is like infinite. i don't reall ythink that type of player s any good to any mafia game. if he keeps playing like this, he'll be either lynched or NK'd in all his games until he either changes his behavior, or stops playing altogether, or people may even refuse to join any game he's participating in.

i don't like trash-talking about other people, but really, there's a line you shouldn't cross, and general is coming really close.

fastposted times 9 or so.

also, i will not comment on your past behavior again general, as you claimed you've changed (or trying to) so i'll give you the benefit of doubt here. (not saying i won't attack you though, as you still may be scum either way)

@DoomYoshi i think it's just natural to compare the STYLE of a certain player to the STYLE he is using in this and older (recent) games, this may give you an idea of how he plays in certain situations.

and

By reading and not voting.

there's not much to read, if noone votes and discusses.

fastposted 3 times extra again.

Honestly General, If you continue with your arrogant ranting you are likely to make the above come true.

[jonty125]

The reason I bring it up is Mr. S's reply to my suggestion.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=145610&start=45

His original idea for the game came from Post 41.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=145610&start=41

And his separate thread for announcing the game is here.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=154420


So I don't know for sure if the adventurers gain more abilities by killing monsters, but the possibility is there.

So no, I don't think spiesr or I dropped scum tells, speculation of a new type of game setup is nothing new and not scummy.

But I think it's interesting which people immediately abandoned thegeneral case, (which I think is much more compelling) and headed straight for spiesr and me.

FOS zimmah, ghostly and MoB for trying to divert attention away from the main case. I want to hear a claim before we move on to someone else.

And seriously people, research is your best friend.

really scummy Safari.

First of all, all those all really are game concepts, and Squirrel likely has refined them a lot, there's no telling what exactly he changed and what he added or removed.

Secondly, you and (especially) spiesr weren't openly speculating setups, if you read my quote carefully, i was assuming he knew something by the tone and word choice of his post not even by what he actually was trying to say. remember that reading "in between the lines" tells you more then what someone actually is saying. it's a really strong psychological tell that may be left behind while being unaware you ever left anything behind at all. the more you are defending it, the more tells you give, (either positive or negative ones) so we should get a quite clear image of if you're lying or not.

Third, by trying to cover up the possible slipup of spiesr and pointing us at old posts that may not even have much value anymore, and not even realising i wasn't suspecting him exactly for what he said, but for how he said it, i'm starting to believe that you're trying to steer attention away, so you're doing what you're accusing me of, steering away attention from a good day 1 case.

Fourth, the case on the general was bleeding to dead anyway and it was just a weak day 1 case at best, besides, i clearly stated that i believed the general was just being a total n00b and being annoying, and not really much more. even though he could be scum, he's probably just an annoying townie, and i believe it's better to attempt to find scum then to speedlynch a townie. and even IF he's scum, it doesn't hurt to discuss. so why are you actually trying to mess up a case here safari?

Fifth, Discussion is a good thing on day 1, suspecting 3 people just because they're trying to bring up good day 1 cases and you're actively trying to paint those 3 guys as scum, possibly trying to rely on your experience to win eventual discusions between you and your targets, just screams scum to me.

Sixth, i wasn't even vouching for a lynch yet, i was just looking to pressurize some people that allready MAY have dropped clues, to try and make them (or their scummates) drop even more clues. Considering it's just day 1 still, i think we are allready onto something here.

all in all, i find your post very scummy, and not just cuz you FOSsed me (ye, you can mark this as OMGUS, but before you're going to throw OMGUS out, let's get real and see whos omgussing who, i don't wanna sound hipster here, but i suspected you before suspecting you was cool:

it may be a scumtell, but i'm not so certain (also i'm not certain of the one i thought to see in spiesr, i just thought it would be a possibility and certainly made me more careful of spiesr, not saying he's 100% definite scum). for the same reason we should be careful about safari as well, it may be a slipup, it may just be he remembered an older post that may or may not have existed. that being said, i would not mind putting a little pressure on either of them.

and spiesr, it wasn't the actual 'speculation' you did, it was the wording you used that ringed the alarm bells. yes, i may be wrong, but don't think it hurts to see how you react to pressure.

if you don't trust me, i strongly encourage you to use any investigative or tracking abilities on me.

but spiesr i think your explanation DOES make sense, still, safari is going all the way defending you, and not doing a good job at it either.

Is everyone giving off scuminess in this game

[zimmah]

The reason I bring it up is Mr. S's reply to my suggestion.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=145610&start=45

His original idea for the game came from Post 41.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=145610&start=41

And his separate thread for announcing the game is here.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=609&t=154420


So I don't know for sure if the adventurers gain more abilities by killing monsters, but the possibility is there.

So no, I don't think spiesr or I dropped scum tells, speculation of a new type of game setup is nothing new and not scummy.

But I think it's interesting which people immediately abandoned thegeneral case, (which I think is much more compelling) and headed straight for spiesr and me.

FOS zimmah, ghostly and MoB for trying to divert attention away from the main case. I want to hear a claim before we move on to someone else.

And seriously people, research is your best friend.

really scummy Safari.

First of all, all those all really are game concepts, and Squirrel likely has refined them a lot, there's no telling what exactly he changed and what he added or removed.

Secondly, you and (especially) spiesr weren't openly speculating setups, if you read my quote carefully, i was assuming he knew something by the tone and word choice of his post not even by what he actually was trying to say. remember that reading "in between the lines" tells you more then what someone actually is saying. it's a really strong psychological tell that may be left behind while being unaware you ever left anything behind at all. the more you are defending it, the more tells you give, (either positive or negative ones) so we should get a quite clear image of if you're lying or not.

Third, by trying to cover up the possible slipup of spiesr and pointing us at old posts that may not even have much value anymore, and not even realising i wasn't suspecting him exactly for what he said, but for how he said it, i'm starting to believe that you're trying to steer attention away, so you're doing what you're accusing me of, steering away attention from a good day 1 case.

Fourth, the case on the general was bleeding to dead anyway and it was just a weak day 1 case at best, besides, i clearly stated that i believed the general was just being a total n00b and being annoying, and not really much more. even though he could be scum, he's probably just an annoying townie, and i believe it's better to attempt to find scum then to speedlynch a townie. and even IF he's scum, it doesn't hurt to discuss. so why are you actually trying to mess up a case here safari?

Fifth, Discussion is a good thing on day 1, suspecting 3 people just because they're trying to bring up good day 1 cases and you're actively trying to paint those 3 guys as scum, possibly trying to rely on your experience to win eventual discusions between you and your targets, just screams scum to me.

Sixth, i wasn't even vouching for a lynch yet, i was just looking to pressurize some people that allready MAY have dropped clues, to try and make them (or their scummates) drop even more clues. Considering it's just day 1 still, i think we are allready onto something here.

all in all, i find your post very scummy, and not just cuz you FOSsed me (ye, you can mark this as OMGUS, but before you're going to throw OMGUS out, let's get real and see whos omgussing who, i don't wanna sound hipster here, but i suspected you before suspecting you was cool:

it may be a scumtell, but i'm not so certain (also i'm not certain of the one i thought to see in spiesr, i just thought it would be a possibility and certainly made me more careful of spiesr, not saying he's 100% definite scum). for the same reason we should be careful about safari as well, it may be a slipup, it may just be he remembered an older post that may or may not have existed. that being said, i would not mind putting a little pressure on either of them.

and spiesr, it wasn't the actual 'speculation' you did, it was the wording you used that ringed the alarm bells. yes, i may be wrong, but don't think it hurts to see how you react to pressure.

if you don't trust me, i strongly encourage you to use any investigative or tracking abilities on me.

but spiesr i think your explanation DOES make sense, still, safari is going all the way defending you, and not doing a good job at it either.

Is everyone giving off scuminess in this game

yes, that's a sideeffect of the scum being the heroes, and the townies being evil villians

[spiesr]

Is everyone giving off scuminess in this game

Depends on what your threshold for scumniness is...

[safariguy5]

Seriously, do not make me fucking claim because you don't like my playstyle. You will regret it.

If you're a power role, you will be protected. If you're not a power role, it's w/e, and if you're a mafia lying about your role, we'll find out. And given your attitude and general behavior this game, I'd favor lynching you on principle.

[drake_259]

vote general

time for the claim

[drake_259]

vote general

time for the claim

unvote vote general

EBWOP

[DoomYoshi]

drake. It has to be an attack, not a vote.

[DoomYoshi]

Seriously, do not make me fucking claim because you don't like my playstyle. You will regret it.

Your playstyle is called: "Getting lynched Day 1". How is anyone doing anything other than what you want?

[drake_259]

drake. It has to be an attack, not a vote.

ahhh!!

Remember!!!!

unvote attack general

[ghostly447]

Unvote LOS on general. General, claim. Make it a good, organized post because I am prepared to vote on you. If I count it correctly, you are 11 now. maybe 12. Either way, Claim and let the rest of the town be the judges of the case. Do not be disrespectful.

[zimmah]

Unvote LOS on general. General, claim. Make it a good, organized post because I am prepared to vote on you. If I count it correctly, you are 11 now. maybe 12. Either way, Claim and let the rest of the town be the judges of the case. Do not be disrespectful.

pretty sure he's at 10.

that being said i can count 20 total votes (including 1 surrender) in the last votecount. I'm not going into detail right now, but it is noted. Some people have just been lurking in the dark, not being voting, and trying to lay low, and others, perhaps even more scummy, have voted, but only voted on a completely random person and by spreading those jokevotes (and unwilling to chance them) they are effectively not helping, which is basically the same as a disguised surrender.

spiesr, rodion, mob, usAir, SG7, and tailgunner apperantly never voted. (sensfan is counted twice in the last votecount btw)

some big names in there too, i don't expect those to be surrendering.

[Iliad]

We've kinda been spoiled for choice this day 1, but that'S always a good thing. Firstly general seems determined to get himself lynched. Whether it's stubbornly sticking behind a scummy tactic, his defense has lapsed into fairly generic threats. These are usually made and are never original: Town will really regret it if he had to claim, they better not or they are doomed! etc etc etc. I don't know why people do it, it really never works. Town never goes 'well that was an awesome case that we just had, but the possible lynch is acting very angry we better back off'. Useless. General you've dug your own hole and have only yourself to blame. Claim.

Also of note, since discussion is kinda getting tunnel visioned.
Sully offering no serious input.

Saf and spiesr drop interesting tells but I'm willing to look at general' case for now. Couldvery easily be an important scumtell.

[spiesr]

that being said i can count 20 total votes (including 1 surrender) in the last votecount. I'm not going into detail right now, but it is noted. Some people have just been lurking in the dark, not being voting, and trying to lay low, and others, perhaps even more scummy, have voted, but only voted on a completely random person and by spreading those jokevotes (and unwilling to chance them) they are effectively not helping, which is basically the same as a disguised surrender.

spiesr, rodion, mob, usAir, SG7, and tailgunner apperantly never voted. (sensfan is counted twice in the last votecount btw)
some big names in there too, i don't expect those to be surrendering.

That's odd, I am pretty sure that I attacked someone during the joke-vote phase and I don't recall ever unvoting.
Anyway, I am not entirely sure what exactly you want here. You criticize both those for haven't voted and those who have their votes somewhere other than the main case. Now, in my opinion these actions can't really be described as encouraging surrender unless the deadline is closing in on us. Not everyone will or even can have their vote on the big case(s).
In the case of myself, for most of the day I have been largely unconvinced of a link between the General's actions and his alignment. Right now I will wait to see whatever he comes up with for a last defense before I decide if I want to hammer him or something. Moving him from 10 to 11 votes won't really do much of importance at this exact point in time, so I will wait and see on that front. Its not like I have been scummarining through the day or anything, I have been out there discussing cases and everything, so I don't see why you feel the need to call me out for surrendering when I don't think I have done anything to that effect.