South Park Mafia 2 Town Wins!

[safariguy5]

Wow, I had no idea, good thing blake pm'ed me.

I Pm'ed him asking for my role PM and my Night 1 night action back. I did a flavor investigation on someone, but I can't remember who. Will post the result once I hear back from blake.

Can anyone fill me on the important things from Day 2? (mostly claim related information, cases) I completely stopped paying attention to the game once I died. I'll try reading back and giving everyone a list of my JOAT abilities as well.

Judging by the Night 3 scene, it looks like the killer was probably roleblocked or busdriven. The flavor makes it seem like Kenny/Mysterion is responsible.

Thank goodness I was revived, Cartman was an anti-town role in the first one, so I was semi-afraid of people not believing me if I claimed.

Ok, I got my actions.

I still have:
Protect
Kill
Roleblock
Busdrive

and I can one-shot a doublevoter ability during the day.

Also, I investigated drunkmonkey during Night 1, and flavor says he's different from the other kids and I can't quite see his face. Sounds like Kenny to me.

[MoB Deadly]

I still have:
Protect
Kill
Roleblock
Busdrive

and I can one-shot a doublevoter ability during the day.

Also, I investigated drunkmonkey during Night 1, and flavor says he's different from the other kids and I can't quite see his face. Sounds like Kenny to me.

why are you telling all of your JOAT powers? obviously you have some pretty good ones, you are making yourself a target again for the mafia.

doublevoter - Do you have to know who the double voter is first? or can u just say "kill double voter"

[spiesr]

doublevoter - Do you have to know who the double voter is first? or can u just say "kill double voter"

I think he meant that he can have an extra vote power for one day, not kill a double voter once.

[safariguy5]

I still have:
Protect
Kill
Roleblock
Busdrive

and I can one-shot a doublevoter ability during the day.

Also, I investigated drunkmonkey during Night 1, and flavor says he's different from the other kids and I can't quite see his face. Sounds like Kenny to me.

why are you telling all of your JOAT powers? obviously you have some pretty good ones, you are making yourself a target again for the mafia.

doublevoter - Do you have to know who the double voter is first? or can u just say "kill double voter"

I already died and was revealed as a JOAT. Obviously, I might as well tell them because mafia already know I'm a JOAT anyways and I would be a target regardless. This way, we still have some idea what I have left and once I use the really useful powers, doc protection can go to someone else.

And I can be a doublevoter for 1 day. That was what I meant.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Welcome back Safari.

It does sound like the roleblocker picked a mafia member THIS time. If we had doc protection then I would say the roleblocker should state who they blocked last night since it was a successful one. I'll not push the issue though if they don't want to reveal themselves just yet although that would be a GREAT lead.

[usAir]

Welcome back Safari.

It does sound like the roleblocker picked a mafia member THIS time. If we had doc protection then I would say the roleblocker should state who they blocked last night since it was a successful one. I'll not push the issue though if they don't want to reveal themselves just yet although that would be a GREAT lead.

How do we know that the roleblocker saved him and not the doc? (I'm new, maybe I'm not picking up on something)

[skillfusniper33]

usAir brings up a good point that it isn't necessarily a role block that saved it, and the doc could have, but I know I would have been really cautious if I was that doc, since it looks like we have a CPR doc.

Another option is the mafia never sent in their kill request by the deadline, so they weren't able to make that kill.

[zimmah]

I still have:
Protect
Kill
Roleblock
Busdrive

and I can one-shot a doublevoter ability during the day.

Also, I investigated drunkmonkey during Night 1, and flavor says he's different from the other kids and I can't quite see his face. Sounds like Kenny to me.

why are you telling all of your JOAT powers? obviously you have some pretty good ones, you are making yourself a target again for the mafia.

doublevoter - Do you have to know who the double voter is first? or can u just say "kill double voter"

I already died and was revealed as a JOAT. Obviously, I might as well tell them because mafia already know I'm a JOAT anyways and I would be a target regardless. This way, we still have some idea what I have left and once I use the really useful powers, doc protection can go to someone else.

And I can be a doublevoter for 1 day. That was what I meant.

we're not even sure if we have a regular doc, tho CRP doc (or something) seems likely. I'm not sure if you would prefer the risk of getting killed by the doctor, or getting killed by the mafia.

[safariguy5]

usAir brings up a good point that it isn't necessarily a role block that saved it, and the doc could have, but I know I would have been really cautious if I was that doc, since it looks like we have a CPR doc.

Another option is the mafia never sent in their kill request by the deadline, so they weren't able to make that kill.

That's true, but the flavor of the night scene implies that the killer never got to make his kill which reads to me like a roleblocker. If a doctor had protected the victim, I think you'd see something more like the killer hurt the victim, but the victim was saved by someone unknown before the victim died.

[drake_259]

well at least we now only have 3 townfolks dead on d3 instead of 5. and we have a confirmed townie.

but from here im not really sure where to go.

[zimmah]

just to let you guys know, i'm not here in the weekend.

i think there's a few possibilities from night 1 and 2.

i think there's that CPR doctor and a mafia group that has nightkills, i don't think there's an SK, and we may have a vigilante but i don't think we do.

I think a CPR doc can not be mafia, because that would essentially give mafia 2 kills. Therefore, i assume one night 1 kill was an accident.

in night 2, i assume a killing role (mafia role) was roleblocked, and the CPR took no action. but it's also possible the CPR and the mafia targeted the same person, so noone died. However flavor seems to support a roleblock.

i'm not so sure if the roleblocker should claim, because it's a power role, but on the other hand, if he claims and can tell us who he blocked, we're very likely to catch scum.

[safariguy5]

If boomeranghamster is still in the game, then I will vote the inactive.

vote boomeranghamster

[dazza2008]

Notice:
usAir has replaced boomeranghamster

I think it has just not been updated.

[drunkmonkey]

Vote Count
slowreactor (5) - spiesr, LSU, dazza2008, zimmah, MoB Deadly Lynch
drunkmonkey (1) - usAir
sensfan (2) - drake_259, drunkmonkey

With 12 alive, 7 Votes are required to lynch.

slowreactor has been lynched. Scene coming soon.

Epitaph1, skillfusniper33, and sensfan were the only 3 who did not vote yesterday. As I said before, a non-vote is the same as a bandwagon vote in this setup. I think I'm not the only one who realizes that:

unvote

The only way to kill slow is through a lynch if he is telling the truth. If he turns up innocent, we should look through the list of voters very carefully. Sorry for the brief post, but this weekend has been busy for me as well.

Here Epitaph ends the day with no vote, yet his post seems to be in favor of lynching slow. By not adding a vote to another person, he's ensuring slow maintains the leading vote count. However, he then goes on to suggest that if slow is town, we should be suspicious of those who voted for him. It appears to me that he's helping slow get lynched, and then hoping to cast suspicion onto others when it happens. This is the scummiest tell I have so far.

vote Epitaph1

[Epitaph1]

Yeah, hamster's been replaced.

I also don't think the flavor lends itself to Butters performing CPR. It's probably a roleblocker or something else. We need someone to speak up about this.

[drake_259]

Yeah, hamster's been replaced.

I also don't think the flavor lends itself to Butters performing CPR. It's probably a roleblocker or something else. We need someone to speak up about this.

no defense from you about drunks vote?

[MoB Deadly]

Yeah, hamster's been replaced.

I also don't think the flavor lends itself to Butters performing CPR. It's probably a roleblocker or something else. We need someone to speak up about this.

I thought he was fastposted because he posted 2 minutes after drunk, but he hasn't seemed to respond to this.

vote epitaph

fastposted - same thing im saying

[zimmah]

Yeah, hamster's been replaced.

I also don't think the flavor lends itself to Butters performing CPR. It's probably a roleblocker or something else. We need someone to speak up about this.

what do mean with butters? i have heared you talk about butters twice, is this some kind of softclaim or baiting?

[spiesr]

I also don't think the flavor lends itself to Butters performing CPR. It's probably a roleblocker or something else. We need someone to speak up about this.

what do mean with butters? i have heared you talk about butters twice, is this some kind of softclaim or baiting?

The night one scene contianed some information that has lead most people to assume that Iron Butterfly's death was caused by the charater Butters using the role CPR Doctor.
In the post you quote, Epitaph is saying that he doesn't think that the reason that no one died last night is based on that assumed character succeeding is saving the kill target.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count
slowreactor (5) - spiesr, LSU, dazza2008, zimmah, MoB Deadly Lynch
drunkmonkey (1) - usAir
sensfan (2) - drake_259, drunkmonkey

With 12 alive, 7 Votes are required to lynch.

slowreactor has been lynched. Scene coming soon.

Epitaph1, skillfusniper33, and sensfan were the only 3 who did not vote yesterday. As I said before, a non-vote is the same as a bandwagon vote in this setup. I think I'm not the only one who realizes that:

unvote

The only way to kill slow is through a lynch if he is telling the truth. If he turns up innocent, we should look through the list of voters very carefully. Sorry for the brief post, but this weekend has been busy for me as well.

Here Epitaph ends the day with no vote, yet his post seems to be in favor of lynching slow. By not adding a vote to another person, he's ensuring slow maintains the leading vote count. However, he then goes on to suggest that if slow is town, we should be suspicious of those who voted for him. It appears to me that he's helping slow get lynched, and then hoping to cast suspicion onto others when it happens. This is the scummiest tell I have so far.

vote Epitaph1

Ok, well, I haven't seen usAir post much today, but I'll set that aside for now.

unvote

This is an interesting case by drunk. I concede that Epitaph is still new, but looking at the list of voters does not do very much unless you can pick out someone who is consistently bandwagonning. The truth is that it takes both town and mafia to lynch someone, and it's near impossible to figure out who's guilty simply because they voted to lynch a townie. Unless we had a speedhammer, or someone has been bandwagonning all the major cases, blaming the voters doesn't really uncover scum.

vote Epitaph

[Epitaph1]

haha. This is hilarious. Ok, a few things:

1) I didn't get any indication that I was fastposted, even though that was indeed what happened. I've had it happen to me before and I've heard others say it as well. If I would have seen drunk's post before, I would have definitely responded to it then.

2) I unvoted slow because I was leaning towards him being innocent and I said so. I didn't feel it was in good form to say that I thought he was innocent and then keep my vote on him. True, given blake's instructions that the day must end in a lynch I didn't save slow by unvoting, but I wanted to wash my hands of the situation. However, I didn't see anyone worth voting for at the time. I still think zimmah is suspicious based on his actions during early D2, but apparently no one wants to pursue that lead. Now he's going out of town for the weekend, so it's not worth re-opening the case now. Although, I'll say one last thing on that topic below.

3) Ok, I'll admit checking the voting record probably wasn't the best suggestion. Mea culpa. I've played in some games where it has come into play, but the more that I've done mafia, the less importance the voting roll has (aside from scummy hammers as saf pointed out).

On the other side of town, a young man thought someone was in danger. As he came to rescue a girl asleep in her bed, sure there would be an attack. To his suprise, the last thing Wendy heard was "Oh Hamburgers!"

4) "Oh Hamburgs" is a trademark line from Butters. And since he seems to be a character who suffers a lot of misfortune on the show (all apologies to Kenny), a CPR doctor would be a fitting role for him. As zimmah mentioned, I have brought this up a couple of times but I guess he thinks I've done so with malicious intent. FOS Zimmah

We're really grasping for straws if I'm the best case we have going right now.

[blakebowling]

Vote Count
Epitaph1 (3) - drunk, MoB Deadly, safariguy5

With 12 alive, 7 votes are required to lynch.

I'd like to not enforce a deadline. So I'd appreciate if this activity level stayed up.

[MoB Deadly]

unvote as Epi has explained himself.

I think what happens the most is:
If you hit Preview, It assumes you checked if you were fast posted and will not alert you when you hit submit. If you click submit right away, it will say you are fastposted.

[MoB Deadly]

I don't think this really affects my vote. But I was actually looking for Epis case on Zimmah again to review and found out that Epis last unvote that Drunk quoted was not an unvote on Slow. He actually unvoted LSU. I just want to make sure that is fully clarified

[MoB Deadly]

vote zimmah

I find zimmah's attempt to make spiesr looks scummy deeply suspicious. After days of inactivity, spiesr makes a decent argument (given what little we have to go on) and instead of analyzing and critiquing spier's argument and slow reactor's response, zimmah instead changes the focus and moves onto another topic. Not only does he change the subject without further discussion, but he merely highlights a quote and then leaves it at that. Just pointing to a quote and assuming everyone will arrive at the same conclusion does not help the investigation.

Spiesr's quote re: the wildwilliam spews many words only to confess that it's a vote for the sake of bandwagoning. It could very well be a scumslip, but it's hard to say at this point. It just seems like zimmah was perhaps trying to direct the spotlight away from slowreactor.

I quoted the whole post so everyone knows where it came from. The red is obviously not true since slow flipped town.