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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) looking for reserves D1: A new dawn

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:57 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:No. We don't have a deadline. My vote was mostly in jest. unvote vote Victor. I sigh, because I know that C9 games are skewed towards more power roles. I vote you, because I fear that you may have given away valuable information to players who might not have otherwise caught it.

I mean specifically, that if the mafia are skimming (which is allegedly a scumtell) than they might not have caught the softclaim. By drawing attention it, you may have helped them.

Come now, let's not assume we're playing with dumbasses! I think all these folks here are quite competent.

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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) looking for reserves D1: A new dawn

Postby usAir on Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:06 pm

usAir wrote:If necessary, I will, however, I would prefer not to this early in the game. If you'd like me to, at least give me a chance to respond before lynching. I should be back on later today.


Just to re-state what I said before. Also, I was on a bus to Toronto, checking the forum on my phone. Didn't feel the need to post.

I would still rather not claim. Mostly, because whatever I claim, it will put me in danger for the rest of the game.

My current vote (for ww) stands.
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:48 pm

](*,)

Are you the doc or the cop already? This is a C9, you have to be one of the two. This is your second soft-claim - out with it!

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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby usAir on Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:32 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:](*,)

Are you the doc or the cop already? This is a C9, you have to be one of the two. This is your second soft-claim - out with it!

-Sully


Really? I would have said the same if I was going to claim VT. However...

I am Merlin and am the Town Cop.

Unvote Vote Sully -- The vote against you is for the unnecessary pressure. You are (if there is no doc, which is a possibility) going to kill a town power role. I do not see how that was a softclaim at all. Claiming VT would have had me lynched (cause you can't prove it), so any type of claim would be harmful to me.
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:37 pm

usAir wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:](*,)

Are you the doc or the cop already? This is a C9, you have to be one of the two. This is your second soft-claim - out with it!

-Sully


Really? I would have said the same if I was going to claim VT. However...

I am Merlin and am the Town Cop.

Unvote Vote Sully -- The vote against you is for the unnecessary pressure. You are (if there is no doc, which is a possibility) going to kill a town power role. I do not see how that was a softclaim at all. Claiming VT would have had me lynched (cause you can't prove it), so any type of claim would be harmful to me.

unvote

Thank you!! That's all I wanted. Your name claim fits and if there's another cop out there he would counterclaim, so now you're solid. Mafia would have targeted you for the kill, even if you didn't hard-claim, because you already soft-claimed. Now, if we have a Doctor, then maybe they can help you out tonight.

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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:16 pm

Unvote.

Not a great start for the first day.
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby Victor Sullivan on Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:25 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Unvote.

Not a great start for the first day.

I agree...

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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:14 am

Ok, let's go after an inactive. I only see one. vote edoc
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby edocsil on Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:57 am

DoomYoshi wrote:Ok, let's go after an inactive. I only see one. vote edoc


Don't Shoot! I am on Thanksgiving Break, my only access to the net is through a tiny little netbook. You will notice my participation is low throughout CC at the current moment.

As for my thoughts and opinions, shame on VS. US is a bit of a rookie, you thinking you saw a softclaim was a bit of a risky jump. It turns out you were right, but whether or not that is a good thing is a bit up for grabs. We may not have a Doc, The Cop could be real screwed. You are however right, the mafia were likely to target US but any argument of getting his claim out for the hopefully present doc to see gets real WIFOMy real fast. Scenarios of who is planing to shoot who in the night are messy at best. That was rolefishing,and that isn't good. This is a C9 game however so it doesn't play out like other games and not all the rules apply. The game is just to short, some risks do have to be taken.

At this point I only GMEOY victor, I will have a vote to place once I can get back to school and get my game back on. That will be Sunday. I will refrain till then, it is only 4 to lynch and a poorly placed vote, or a vote incapable of being quickly withdrawn if needed can be fatal.
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) looking for reserves D1: A new dawn

Postby jonty125 on Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:44 am

Vote Count

edocsil (1) - DoomYoshi
Conzocool (0) -
usAir (0) -
DoomYoshi (2) - shieldgenerator7, wildwilliam
shieldgenerator7 (0) -
wildwilliam (1)- usAir
Victor Sullivan (2)- edocsil, usAir,

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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby wildwilliam on Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:59 am

I have to drive for 12 hours. I will read, catch up , and post tomorrow.
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby Conzocool on Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:38 am

Well, I'm glad all of that blew over. Sully, you were a little blunt in your investigations, but I think really, most of that was fine. It feels like I'm seeing a lot of scumtells everywhere, but that might just be my brain because I'm looking too hard. Until I see more evidence, I think I'll pass on voting.
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:55 am

Sorry, edoc, I forgot about thanksgiving ( even though its all over tv and newspapers lol).
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby wildwilliam on Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:59 am

unvote

With US being town, either Doomyoshi is a mastermind at mafia or he is town.

I would like to hear more from edoc. He has been quite.

Conzocool wrote:Well, I'm glad all of that blew over. Sully, you were a little blunt in your investigations, but I think really, most of that was fine. It feels like I'm seeing a lot of scumtells everywhere, but that might just be my brain because I'm looking too hard. Until I see more evidence, I think I'll pass on voting.


ok pass on voting, but please give some information that you feel may be relevant. Don't say you see things and then refrain from sharing.
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby Conzocool on Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:25 am

Ok then. First of all, you seem very eager to accuse a lot of people about different things, and in your lengthy post a page ago you attacked both Doomyoshi and Usair, one of whom turned out as the cop and another who you are now claiming is town. You also are still trying to get Edoc to talk, even though he has told us that he will be inactive for a couple of days because of Thanksgiving. He has, however said that he will be back today, so that I'm less hard on. For another thing, Sully was rather harsh in his inquiries of USair, because I sure didn't see a softclaim that he was either cop or doctor in there. Maybe that's just because of my relative newness to the game, but either way, that gave away to the mafia who he is, and now we can only hope that there is a doctor.

So for those, I'm gonna FOS wildwilliam and Sully.

I did just read through the thread again, and the couple of other things I thought I saw were either nonexistent or just misplaced words, so meh. That's my take on it.
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby edocsil on Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:33 pm

Ok, I'm back.

So my thoughts.

Players

edocsil
Conzocool
usAir ~ Merlin - Town Cop
DoomYoshi
Shieldgenerator7
wildwilliam
Victor Sullivan

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3 VT's, 1 doc and 1 cop, 2 mafia (At best)

First of I believe US, as should we all. Second off, if we don't have a doc we are so screwed. The scum are going to try to kill the Cop tonight, it is really no question. If there is a doc we will likely do fine, if not we are really going to be hurting.

Second off there are really only 2 pages to go on right now, we really need more activity. Hopefully this post will spark some. My thoughts on players

Conzocool - Most townish, playing carefully, thinking about his actions, playing in a careful manor. Usually a voice of reason.

DoomYoshi - Second most townish imo. He is talking and keeping the talk flowing. Could be careful scum, but I see no indication of that yet.

Wildwill - Being bit of a n00b, pressures me after I make a decent post, doesn't seem to acknowledge it. Skims a bit IMO.

SG7 - Hasn't posted since confirming if i read properly. I have him fo'ed, I may have missed a post accidentally. (edit before posting: my mistake, he threw in a one liner on the start of page 4, nothing useful)

Victor - He is the toss up. Gut says town, he kept the discussion going with his case. Other hand his rolefishing could seriously hurt the town if the doc is absent in the game. I didn't see US softclaiming at all. I didn't see him as experienced enough to do that. Victor really forced his hand, I would have believed a VT claim to protect himself, and his true role claim was so strong he could have gotten away with it too.

I will Unvote Vote Shield. I could see pursuing a case on victor, but until that case is pursued we must ensure everyone is present. We only have a few days left to sort out this D1 and we cannot afford to waste a day with inactivity.
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:54 pm

I think shield is probably doing stuff for the holiday weekend. He has been a bit inactive across the board
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) looking for reserves D1: A new dawn

Postby jonty125 on Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:07 am

Vote Count

edocsil (1) - DoomYoshi
Conzocool (0) -
usAir (0) -
DoomYoshi (1) - shieldgenerator7,
shieldgenerator7 (1) - edocsil,
wildwilliam (0)-
Victor Sullivan (1)- usAir,

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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby jonty125 on Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:34 am

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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby shieldgenerator7 on Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:26 am

HEllo! Great to see you again after a long weekend of no interenet!

I have not really posted anything of use, but right now I'm trying to get caught up in my games so I'll probably have more to say later on.

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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby wildwilliam on Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:04 am

Conzocool wrote:Ok then. First of all, you seem very eager to accuse a lot of people about different things, and in your lengthy post a page ago you attacked both Doomyoshi and Usair, one of whom turned out as the cop and another who you are now claiming is town. You also are still trying to get Edoc to talk, even though he has told us that he will be inactive for a couple of days because of Thanksgiving. He has, however said that he will be back today, so that I'm less hard on. For another thing, Sully was rather harsh in his inquiries of USair, because I sure didn't see a softclaim that he was either cop or doctor in there. Maybe that's just because of my relative newness to the game, but either way, that gave away to the mafia who he is, and now we can only hope that there is a doctor.

So for those, I'm gonna FOS wildwilliam and Sully.

I did just read through the thread again, and the couple of other things I thought I saw were either nonexistent or just misplaced words, so meh. That's my take on it.


I agree I went after US and Doom very hard, but for what I thought was a good reason. Maybe I am just too new to know all the nuances, but in my mind, once victor had pointed out US's post, it made no sense to keep soft claiming. Mafia already knew that he was a power role, he was already in danger no matter what he claimed, so hiding made no sense and at L-1, should have fully claimed to clear his name completely. Scum could have hammered and we would have been out a very important town role.

I am not claiming Doom is town, he is just more likely town. I still am baffled how doom knew US was town before he claimed anything and I still am going to keep an eye on him. The only people who know who is scum and who is town are the mafia. they do not know who is a power role, but they know who the other scum are and therefore know who the other town are. So anyone who acts like they know who someone else is, especially when that person is acting scummy, seems to be scum to me. I thought for sure we had caught two scum, but US had a rock solid claim. Which makes me wonder if Doom is scum, and tried to latch onto a power town role to turn people eyes. Also notice how fast he retraced and voted for US once I pointed this out. So I am not really sure, but seems more like town to me.

Also, I wasn't trying to get Edoc to talk right then and there, just be more active in the game upon return because 4 of us have been almost over active, and scum like to try and hide in the shadows.

Shield has said he will be around later, but someone who has gone dark for seemly no reason is victor.

for that reason vote victor
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:26 am

Victor and I both picked up the softclaim.

Anytime someone says "I would rather not claim", especially if that player is a newbie, they are either a doctor or a cop. If you don't believe me, check out my own experience as a newb in Albarezzi mafia. The only question is really how bad their scumtells were.

I voted US half in jest to begin with. The bandwagon on him developed rather quickly, which is why I had dropped out of it. Although I did realize it was too late and go back to it.

Now edoc says wild is likely to be mafia. I understand where this point is coming from, however aggression does not equate mafia. edoc would know this. For that reason, my vote sticks. This seems like mafia trying to trick a lynch out. Although, edoc goes and votes shield which is justifiable because a) shield is an inactive (and he better get back in here, or I am join that wagon) and b) edoc has him foe'd. I think that since he has him foe'd, and reminded us about that fact, it's a perfect cover to lynch a townie and get away with it. Note that a lot of this is pure speculation, and I am making a few logical jumps. My jumpy, spec case is the best I have right now.
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) looking for reserves D1: A new dawn

Postby jonty125 on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:31 am

Vote Count

edocsil (1) - DoomYoshi
Conzocool (0) -
usAir (0) -
DoomYoshi (1) - shieldgenerator7,
shieldgenerator7 (1) - edocsil,
wildwilliam (0)-
Victor Sullivan (2)- usAir, wildwilliam

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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby edocsil on Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:56 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Now edoc says wild is likely to be mafia.


Don't put words in my mouth. I said I think he skims a bit and that he was being a bit of a noob.
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Re: Merlin C9 (7/7) D1: A new dawn DEADLINE 5th Dec

Postby wildwilliam on Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:26 pm

edocsil wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:Now edoc says wild is likely to be mafia.


Don't put words in my mouth. I said I think he skims a bit and that he was being a bit of a noob.


Hey I may be a noob, but I do NOT skim.

All I said was that I wanted to hear more from you.

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DoomYoshi wrote:Ok, let's go after an inactive. I only see one. vote edoc


Don't Shoot! I am on Thanksgiving Break, my only access to the net is through a tiny little netbook. You will notice my participation is low throughout CC at the current moment.

As for my thoughts and opinions, shame on VS. US is a bit of a rookie, you thinking you saw a softclaim was a bit of a risky jump. It turns out you were right, but whether or not that is a good thing is a bit up for grabs. We may not have a Doc, The Cop could be real screwed. You are however right, the mafia were likely to target US but any argument of getting his claim out for the hopefully present doc to see gets real WIFOMy real fast. Scenarios of who is planing to shoot who in the night are messy at best. That was rolefishing,and that isn't good. This is a C9 game however so it doesn't play out like other games and not all the rules apply. The game is just to short, some risks do have to be taken.

At this point I only GMEOY victor,[color=#FF0000] I will have a vote to place once I can get back to school and get my game back on. That will be Sunday. I will refrain till then[/color], it is only 4 to lynch and a poorly placed vote, or a vote incapable of being quickly withdrawn if needed can be fatal.
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