M:tG Planeswalker mafia - Town wins!

[Victor Sullivan]

Vote Rodion.

Shield's claim was completely unnecessary, since the case was based solely on inactivity, which was remedied by his replacing Leitz. And yet you pushed further for shieldgenerator to expose another townsperson. This all points to Rodion's being scum (and shield's being, er, perhaps not so bright - but it's all good, it's just a game ).

-Sully

[Victor Sullivan]

EBWOP: Unvote vote Rodion.

-Sully

[DoomYoshi]

Irrelevant to Yoshi's accusation because I demanded after your claimed, not before.

What I meant is that you tricked him into claiming who his partner was. Now edoc is ousted, through no fault of his own. This is worse than when shield was ousted, through no fault of his own.

Assuming that eliminating 2 townies is such a ggod thing, why don't all mason partners just declare on day 1? There is a reason that isn't a protocol and now you are going to hang. End of story.

[DoomYoshi]

A claim at this point may help, but I doubt it. Anyways, edoc, can you tell us what planes walker you are since your role is already ousted? Those of us who are familiar with magic could use that information. If not, you don't have to.

[DoomYoshi]

There is alot going on now as folks have some explaining to do. I just saw the above posts and the drama between Sheild and ED.

And yes...if you claim somthing you better be able to prove it. Isnt that what you have been telling the newbs Yoshi?

Sheild claims Mason. He needs to prove it. I do not see anything wrong with asking Sheild to prove his claim. We have plenty of time to sort through all this new info without lynching...yet.

Sorry about the triple post

The problem is that there was no reason at all for shield to claim. At that point, the damage should of been minimized. Instead, edoc had his game handed to him on a platter. Claiming should be the last thing you do in this game. To have two players, neither of which did anything wrong, forced to claim this early is not great.

[edocsil]

Sorin Markov, Town mason. Apparently I am a vampire and older then dirt. Flavor says I am here to "Discover the mysteries of the land."

[Rodion]

Because you completely and utterly wrecked 2 roles of middling power? So lets say there are 3 scum and a sk and then me and shield. 6 players,9 remain. There is at least a Cop, Doc and one other town power (Vig, joat, who knows) you just dratically increased the chance that we will lose town power, as can no longer serve as a meatshield to absorb night kills.

How did I wreck TWO roles? Shield wrecked his own role and the "towniness" of his role depended on someone else to confirm it. I asked for the identity of that person so that he could confirm it whether Shield should hang or not, with the added benefit that if Shield is scum and his "mason" had confirmed his story, we could be getting 2 scum for the price of 1 later on. Moreover, regarding your role, you are the one who just said you are not a power role other than mason (in some games, masons have other powers, like Safari in Unknown): assuming you're town, mafia was not sure whether you were a vanilla mason or a power role mason until YOU just wrecked it by complaining you can't serve as meatshield anymore.

I'd be sorry if i understood what I did as a mistake, but I still don't see anyone suggesting what's the best course of action to be taken when a mason claims without mentioning the other. How can you verify the claim in that case?

[edocsil]

Because you completely and utterly wrecked 2 roles of middling power? So lets say there are 3 scum and a sk and then me and shield. 6 players,9 remain. There is at least a Cop, Doc and one other town power (Vig, joat, who knows) you just dratically increased the chance that we will lose town power, as can no longer serve as a meatshield to absorb night kills.

How did I wreck TWO roles? Shield wrecked his own role and the "towniness" of his role depended on someone else to confirm it. I asked for the identity of that person so that he could confirm it whether Shield should hang or not, with the added benefit that if Shield is scum and his "mason" had confirmed his story, we could be getting 2 scum for the price of 1 later on. Moreover, regarding your role, you are the one who just said you are not a power role other than mason (in some games, masons have other powers, like Safari in Unknown): assuming you're town, mafia was not sure whether you were a vanilla mason or a power role mason until YOU just wrecked it by complaining you can't serve as meatshield anymore.

I'd be sorry if i understood what I did as a mistake, but I still don't see anyone suggesting what's the best course of action to be taken when a mason claims without mentioning the other. How can you verify the claim in that case?

You don't, the claim can't be verified without exposing the other. THERE WAS NO CASE AGAINST SHIELD. I guess I don't know how else to say this. Because there was no case, his foolish claim should not have needed to be verified.

[Iron Butterfly]

Stop being overly dramatic.

Lets look at the facts as they stand NOT what we think might happen.

SG7 played his hand extremely poorly.

First we have no idea why Lietz withdrew. Up until we found out the truth on the matter he was extremely suspicious. Its my opinion that the player who was to take Lietz case should not be accountable for his behavior because we dont know if he was acting like scum because of forces outside the game. We still dont have a clear picture of why he played the way he did.

What bothers me about SG7 is that he was yapping away in the game before he was even excepted as a replacement, which confused me at first. He made 2 posts BEFORE the mod said he was Leitz's replacement. If he were to read he would have seen that wildwilliam withdrew his vote. I had every intention to withdraw my vote as well. I dont beleive that SG7 should be held accountable for the game play/style of another player.

In my opinion he claimed way to quickly. Granted thats just my opinion and folks may disagree.

Second if you make a claim on your role you better be damn sure you can back it up or its meaningless. He claimed Mason. weather claiming Mason hurts the town or not he has to back it up. The first golden rule I learned the hard way is Town DOES NOT lie. Any appearance of a lie will draw immediate pressure.

Rodian followed standard protocol. Having 2 town masons exposed is not the end of the world. Masons are only as good as the player who plays them.

Rodian is not to blame for the mess SG7 is.

With the history of interaction between SG7 and Edocil they may as well be Vanilla townies.

[DoomYoshi]

Iron, if Rodion flips scum you are looking to be the target for tomorrow. He claimed for no reason, so there was no reason to verify.

[freezie]

Second if you make a claim on your role you better be damn sure you can back it up or its meaningless. He claimed Mason. weather claiming Mason hurts the town or not he has to back it up. The first golden rule I learned the hard way is Town DOES NOT lie. Any appearance of a lie will draw immediate pressure.

This game has a theme, and therefor we have names ( planewalkers ) and if needed, he could have backed his claim with his role name WITHOUT exposing his partner.

He did not had to expose someone to verify a weak mason claim. It makes no sense whatsoever to expose a second townie out of the blue on day 1. Our power is that of discussion, and exposing everyone quickly isn't in our best interest. Period.à

Second, lieing is scummy, that is true. I however heard ( and seen ) townies lieing for the sole benefit of town. They know wether they need to take that risk or not.


Shield had no reason to claim, nor expose Edoc, and, like everyone, will Vote: Rodion for the same reason: Rolefishing.

I am 6th, which I beleive is L-2, just so everyone know.

[edocsil]

Iron, if Rodion flips scum you are looking to be the target for tomorrow. He claimed for no reason, so there was no reason to verify.

Reason number 2 I want to hang Rodion. If he flips scum town is going to have a field day.

[jgordon1111]

unvote leitz

[pancakemix]

I don't want to rush what seems inevitable without knowing what I'm getting into. Rodion, claim please.

[Iron Butterfly]

Second if you make a claim on your role you better be damn sure you can back it up or its meaningless. He claimed Mason. weather claiming Mason hurts the town or not he has to back it up. The first golden rule I learned the hard way is Town DOES NOT lie. Any appearance of a lie will draw immediate pressure.

This game has a theme, and therefor we have names ( planewalkers ) and if needed, he could have backed his claim with his role name WITHOUT exposing his partner.

He did not had to expose someone to verify a weak mason claim. It makes no sense whatsoever to expose a second townie out of the blue on day 1. Our power is that of discussion, and exposing everyone quickly isn't in our best interest. Period.à

Second, lieing is scummy, that is true. I however heard ( and seen ) townies lieing for the sole benefit of town. They know wether they need to take that risk or not.


Shield had no reason to claim, nor expose Edoc, and, like everyone, will Vote: Rodion for the same reason: Rolefishing.

I am 6th, which I beleive is L-2, just so everyone know.

Yup now I get it. I googled SG7 name when he claimed. A female cleric. It kinda makes sense...a cleric/vampire team.

The reason I have been stuck on SG7 proving he is who he says is that I just played Sullys game of Duality. Every Mafia was teamed as lover/busdrivers or bullet proof lovers and other crazy pairs. It was a game of extreme paranoia.

[Iron Butterfly]

Second if you make a claim on your role you better be damn sure you can back it up or its meaningless. He claimed Mason. weather claiming Mason hurts the town or not he has to back it up. The first golden rule I learned the hard way is Town DOES NOT lie. Any appearance of a lie will draw immediate pressure.

This game has a theme, and therefor we have names ( planewalkers ) and if needed, he could have backed his claim with his role name WITHOUT exposing his partner.

He did not had to expose someone to verify a weak mason claim. It makes no sense whatsoever to expose a second townie out of the blue on day 1. Our power is that of discussion, and exposing everyone quickly isn't in our best interest. Period.à

Second, lieing is scummy, that is true. I however heard ( and seen ) townies lieing for the sole benefit of town. They know wether they need to take that risk or not.


Shield had no reason to claim, nor expose Edoc, and, like everyone, will Vote: Rodion for the same reason: Rolefishing.

I am 6th, which I beleive is L-2, just so everyone know.

Yup now I get it. I googled SG7 name when he claimed. A female cleric. It kinda makes sense...a cleric/vampire team.

The reason I have been stuck on SG7 proving he is who he says is that I just played Sullys game of Duality. Every Mafia was teamed as lover/busdrivers or bullet proof lovers and other crazy pairs. It was a game of extreme paranoia.

OK I have re-re-re read and have tried to sort the emotional vs the logical. I have not had the luxery of playing with any of you but it seems several of you know each others style. I get the impression that Rodion should have known better with his experience and that others have picked up on that. If Rodion was town he would have tried to protect the confidentiality of Edisol. Granted SG7 screwed the pooch....he was already telling us he was going to claim his role before he claimed his roll...stupid.

VOTE RODION

[slowreactor]

Vote Count

Iron Butterfly (1)- shieldgenerator7
shieldgenerator7 (3)- drake_259, jgordon1111, rdsrds2120
Victor Sullivan (1)- Iliad
Rodion (7) - DoomYoshi, edocsil, wildwilliam, sheepofdumb, Victor Sullivan, freezie, Iron Butterfly (L-1)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

*I accidentally edited my last post instead of quoting it, going back to change it back right now... =.= *

[Victor Sullivan]

Second if you make a claim on your role you better be damn sure you can back it up or its meaningless. He claimed Mason. weather claiming Mason hurts the town or not he has to back it up. The first golden rule I learned the hard way is Town DOES NOT lie. Any appearance of a lie will draw immediate pressure.

This game has a theme, and therefor we have names ( planewalkers ) and if needed, he could have backed his claim with his role name WITHOUT exposing his partner.

He did not had to expose someone to verify a weak mason claim. It makes no sense whatsoever to expose a second townie out of the blue on day 1. Our power is that of discussion, and exposing everyone quickly isn't in our best interest. Period.à

Second, lieing is scummy, that is true. I however heard ( and seen ) townies lieing for the sole benefit of town. They know wether they need to take that risk or not.


Shield had no reason to claim, nor expose Edoc, and, like everyone, will Vote: Rodion for the same reason: Rolefishing.

I am 6th, which I beleive is L-2, just so everyone know.

Yup now I get it. I googled SG7 name when he claimed. A female cleric. It kinda makes sense...a cleric/vampire team.

The reason I have been stuck on SG7 proving he is who he says is that I just played Sullys game of Duality. Every Mafia was teamed as lover/busdrivers or bullet proof lovers and other crazy pairs. It was a game of extreme paranoia.

I wouldn't expect that as a norm (unless it's one of my crazy concoctions ). Mafia usually take up a fourth to a third of the total population (if a game has third parties, it will more likely be on the lower end, since there would be less town by contrast), so I'm thinking we could have anywhere from 3-5 mafia (probably more like 3 or 4).

-Sully

[Rodion]

he was already telling us he was going to claim his role before he claimed his roll...stupid.

This does not make any sense.

Victor Sullivan L-1ing Leitz/Shield and then saying his claim was unnecessary does not make any sense as well.

People blaming me for "wrecking 2 town power role claims" does not make any sense because:
a) Shield wrecked his claim before I did anything and I can't take blame for that
b) Shield and Edocsil were not confirmed when I asked my question (newsflash: they are STILL not confirmed and could both be mafia)

Way to play like a bunch of retards.

Oh, name's Venser, town jailor (jailkeeper).

[Victor Sullivan]

Well, when you put it that way...

-Sully

[freezie]

Victor Sullivan L-1ing Leitz/Shield and then saying his claim was unnecessary does not make any sense as well.

He L-1 when leitz was online in forums but scumarinning. Shield's claim was unnecessary. Makes perfect sense...

[Rodion]

he was already telling us he was going to claim his role before he claimed his roll...stupid.

This does not make any sense.

Oh, I get it know. You mentioned his SK ninja joke.

[rdsrds2120]

Victor Sullivan L-1ing Leitz/Shield and then saying his claim was unnecessary does not make any sense as well.

He L-1 when leitz was online in forums but scumarinning. Shield's claim was unnecessary. Makes perfect sense...

This is probably the most concise way to say what I was about to. unvote SG7, but I won't vote just yet.

-rd

[Rodion]

he was already telling us he was going to claim his role before he claimed his roll...stupid.

This does not make any sense.

Oh, I get it now. You mentioned his SK ninja joke.

EBWOP.

[edocsil]

People blaming me for "wrecking 2 town power role claims" does not make any sense because:
a) Shield wrecked his claim before I did anything and I can't take blame for that ~ True, but I am hanging you for forcing out me as well.

Way to play like a bunch of retards. ~ Easy mate, you made a mistake we cannot overlook. Same thing with me in the Actor mafia, the only question is whether or not you are scum. We simply cannot leave you alive due to the doubt that you would cause if you survived to the endgame.

In red.