M:tG Planeswalker mafia - Town wins!

[shieldgenerator7]

Oh no! I'm getting close to lynch! I'll think I'll claim now: Third Party Ninja Bulletproof SK.

I'll be replacing leitz as soon as slowreactor gives me the role pm. Ironic how I had already voted for him, eh?

-SG7 ( )

[slowreactor]

Vote Count

Iron Butterfly(2)- Victor Sullivan, shieldgenerator7
shieldgenerator7(7)- drake_259, Iron Butterfly, jgordon1111, sheepofdumb, wildwilliam, rdsrds2120, Victor Sullivan (L-1)
Victor Sullivan(1)- Iliad
DoomYoshi(1) - edocsil
Jgordon1111(2) - Rodion, DoomYoshi

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

SG7 has officially replaced Leitz, and the role PM has been sent. Let the games begin again! O_o

[wildwilliam]

Vote Count

Iron Butterfly(2)- Victor Sullivan, shieldgenerator7
shieldgenerator7(7)- drake_259, Iron Butterfly, jgordon1111, sheepofdumb, wildwilliam, rdsrds2120, Victor Sullivan (L-1)
Victor Sullivan(1)- Iliad
DoomYoshi(1) - edocsil
Jgordon1111(2) - Rodion, DoomYoshi

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

SG7 has officially replaced Leitz, and the role PM has been sent. Let the games begin again! O_o

unvote

don't want a "slip" and some one hammer. Please read and give us your thoughts.

[shieldgenerator7]

CONFIRM!

And I guess I'm close to getting lynched, so my first act of the game will be to claim.

I am ... (let me look at role again, can't remember that name )*looks at role pm*
I am Nissa Revane, Town Mason I don't want to expose my mason partner unless it is completely necesary.

Come fellow elves, now is not the time to rebel against your great leader, join me, and we will rule Zendikar!

(i was gonna surf thru web comics to find some good quotes, but it'd take to long, so I'll settle for this based off her profile)

-SG7 ( )

[Rodion]

CONFIRM!

And I guess I'm close to getting lynched, so my first act of the game will be to claim.

I am ... (let me look at role again, can't remember that name )*looks at role pm*
I am Nissa Revane, Town Mason I don't want to expose my mason partner unless it is completely necesary.

Come fellow elves, now is not the time to rebel against your great leader, join me, and we will rule Zendikar!

(i was gonna surf thru web comics to find some good quotes, but it'd take to long, so I'll settle for this based off her profile)

-SG7 ( )

The only way of confirming your claim is by having your partner exposed, so I guess that will be necessary.

[shieldgenerator7]

CONFIRM! And I guess I'm close to getting lynched, so my first act of the game will be to claim. I am ... (let me look at role again, can't remember that name )*looks at role pm* I am Nissa Revane, Town Mason I don't want to expose my mason partner unless it is completely necesary. Come fellow elves, now is not the time to rebel against your great leader, join me, and we will rule Zendikar! (i was gonna surf thru web comics to find some good quotes, but it'd take to long, so I'll settle for this based off her profile) -SG7 ( )

The only way of confirming your claim is by having your partner exposed, so I guess that will be necessary.

Alright, just didn't want to make him a target too unless absolutely necessary...

My mason partner is edocsil. (I know! funny, right?)

[Rodion]

Edoc, confirm or deny?

[DoomYoshi]

CONFIRM!

And I guess I'm close to getting lynched, so my first act of the game will be to claim.

I am ... (let me look at role again, can't remember that name )*looks at role pm*
I am Nissa Revane, Town Mason I don't want to expose my mason partner unless it is completely necesary.

Come fellow elves, now is not the time to rebel against your great leader, join me, and we will rule Zendikar!

(i was gonna surf thru web comics to find some good quotes, but it'd take to long, so I'll settle for this based off her profile)

-SG7 ( )

The only way of confirming your claim is by having your partner exposed, so I guess that will be necessary.

OMG! I am not letting this one slide.

unvote vote Rodion

Tricking shield into claiming his role is fine. However, the case against leitz was built on the fact that leitz was inactive. We didn't need confirmation of his role. Rather than picking on jg, I now have to lynch you. You should know better Rodion, rolefishing has got you in trouble before (Unknown).

See, jgordon. I made a comment about people getting into trouble and then backed it up with a specific game AND a specific player. Telling freezie to do research is stupid, as he has been in quite a few games. If you say something, anything at all, be prepared to back it up with specifics. I don't lynch n00bs day 1 as a personal policy. However, if you can't understand the need to prove something then you will be probably lynched, town or not.

So you say there is a trend. Back it up with data. I don't believe your trend.

@Iron Butterfly: I realize what you are saying when you are defending jgordon. However, he does need to learn about the whole idea of "proof" in mafia. I will have you know, I don't think he is mafia, I am just trying to teach that you need to be accountable for things you say.

[Rodion]

I never tricked Shield into claiming his role (I don't think I've ever voted Leitz or Shield on this game). Besides, checking the validity of a claim is not the same as rolefishing. The thing is that he used his power role claim to be let off the hook, and this claim was a mason one, which links another player to him. If the other player is not announced, it becomes extremely easy for scum to fakeclaim town mason and say they are trying to preserve another townie's identity.

The protocol now consists in waiting for Edoc to confirm or deny his role, then we go from there.

[shieldgenerator7]

I never tricked Shield into claiming his role (I don't think I've ever voted Leitz or Shield on this game). Besides, checking the validity of a claim is not the same as rolefishing. The thing is that he used his power role claim to be let off the hook, and this claim was a mason one, which links another player to him. If the other player is not announced, it becomes extremely easy for scum to fakeclaim town mason and say they are trying to preserve another townie's identity.

The protocol now consists in waiting for Edoc to confirm or deny his role, then we go from there.

Which makes you all the more dangerous, as you could easily put me at L-1 or hammer if you aren't already on the bandwagon. Hence why I didn't take your demands lightly

[Rodion]

Irrelevant to Yoshi's accusation because I demanded after your claimed, not before.

[edocsil]

I am tempted to hammer shield. Yes, he is my mason partner. Yes, I still have him Foed. It is things like this that have earned him his place on my foe list. I PMed the mod about the situation before Shield blew it, but now it is to damn late.

[edocsil]

Unvote, Vote Rodion

Trying to force that was absolutely unneeded, and for that you are going to hang today.

[wildwilliam]

Unvote, Vote Rodion

Trying to force that was absolutely unneeded, and for that you are going to hang today.

agreed.

vote rodin

[shieldgenerator7]

I am tempted to hammer shield. Yes, he is my mason partner. Yes, I still have him Foed. It is things like this that have earned him his place on my foe list. I PMed the mod about the situation before Shield blew it, but now it is to damn late.

Things like what? How did I blow it?

[Iron Butterfly]

UNvote Lietz

For a variety of reasons. Somthing does not add up for me. I would like to know exactly when Lietz gave notice to withdraw. Up until that point he was extremely suspect in his behavior. He was inactive but active in his CC games and Sully observed that he was lurking on the mafia boards.

There is the possibility that, by false claiming a Mason Role and having Edocil back him up, this will make two Mafia appear as two town.

Alot of stuff does not make sense but for now I withdraw my vote until more is revealed.

[Iron Butterfly]

There is alot going on now as folks have some explaining to do. I just saw the above posts and the drama between Sheild and ED.

And yes...if you claim somthing you better be able to prove it. Isnt that what you have been telling the newbs Yoshi?

Sheild claims Mason. He needs to prove it. I do not see anything wrong with asking Sheild to prove his claim. We have plenty of time to sort through all this new info without lynching...yet.

[Rodion]

Alright, Shield and Edocsil's fates are officially tied. Should one die and flip town, the other is confirmed town. Should one die and flip scum, the other gets lynched instantly. For now, we can let both live and see what happens.

Shield, assuming you're town, you blew it by instantly claiming instead of trying to get away with it somehow. Since Leitz's case was about inactivity and his slot became active when you replaced, you could have tried to argue that to get you off the hook without claiming (and then, if it didn't work, and only then, you'd claim).

[shieldgenerator7]

Alright, Shield and Edocsil's fates are officially tied. Should one die and flip town, the other is confirmed town. Should one die and flip scum, the other gets lynched instantly. For now, we can let both live and see what happens.

Shield, assuming you're town, you blew it by instantly claiming instead of trying to get away with it somehow. Since Leitz's case was about inactivity and his slot became active when you replaced, you could have tried to argue that to get you off the hook without claiming (and then, if it didn't work, and only then, you'd claim).

ok. I just saw I was at L-1 and did what I knew how to to keep myself from being lynched. A reactionary claim, if you will.
Well, I don't have any night actions (asside from talking), so I don't think I'm mafia's #1 target, except for the fact that I can be proven to be town.

Bare with me, brother elves. One day we will make Zendikar a wonderful home, a magnificent place to live.

-SG7 ( )

[sheepofdumb]

I'm gone for a few days to do some big homework assignments and all this drama happens. Wow. I wish I was here a day or two ago because I didn't agree with the bandwagon on Leitz but I wasn't here and what's done is done. Best I can do is Unvote

jgordon: A big part of mafia is making a case against someone. It is the towns power. If you don't deliver then you are hindering the town. While this is a game of subtlety you are also required to make stands and present evidence. I get that you don't want to be seen as leading the town but if you make a claim you'd better be prepared to back it up. All this pussyfooting and evading is making you look really scummy.

Shield: ... You're silly. You have a habit of saying things that cause problems for you and anyone connected to you later down the road. You just needlessly put yourself in a bad position and brought edoc down with you. If you flip town edoc can be endgamed as mafia go after power roles. If you flip scum you just doomed your partner.

Rodion: You really hurt town with that one. Shield is town: Mafia just gained two claims and shield and edoc can be endgamed. Shield is mafia: Shield just doomed edoc. I can see its usefulness in that two mafia look like town but unless they kill the cop tonight they are both doomed.

This is what I propose: Look at Rodion or jgordon and investigate shield or edoc. I really don't think they are scum because of the great risk they are taking if investigated or lynched. If shield flips town like I predict then we wasted a lynch when we could have just as easily investigated. Furthermore one investigation will result in the next two lynches or give us two confirmed town votes. Meanwhile those two have registered on my scumdar and could potentially provide useful information if we look into them.

Vote Rodion I believe that the case with shield and edoc will do more damage than good but is salvageable. I feel that putting a vote on you is the best course of action.

[edocsil]

Alright, Shield and Edocsil's fates are officially tied. Should one die and flip town, the other is confirmed town. Should one die and flip scum, the other gets lynched instantly. For now, we can let both live and see what happens.

Shield, assuming you're town, you blew it by instantly claiming instead of trying to get away with it somehow. Since Leitz's case was about inactivity and his slot became active when you replaced, you could have tried to argue that to get you off the hook without claiming (and then, if it didn't work, and only then, you'd claim).

He is a noob, you knew exactly how he would react. Don't even try to pretend else wise. You had absolutely ZERO reason as town to pressure SG7, as you knew he would give you another name.

[Rodion]

Rodion: You really hurt town with that one. Shield is town: Mafia just gained two claims and shield and edoc can be endgamed. Shield is mafia: Shield just doomed edoc. I can see its usefulness in that two mafia look like town but unless they kill the cop tonight they are both doomed.

This is just plain bullshit.

You did not mention that it gets a lot harder to force a mislynch when there are 2 townies that are outright removed from the pool of lynchees. Mafia started the game by being able to blend within 15 players and now they're forced to bled within 13. In the endgame scenario you mentioned, it gets extremely more difficult to force the mislynch if, say, 2 out of the 5 remaining players are confirmed townies. That means that either having the masons publicly cleared is not as bad as you're trying to suggest or they're dying before we get to endgame, a scenario you for some reason did not reckon.

So, in case Shield is mafia I fail to see why the move was bad as per the green part of your post?!?!

I'm not really getting the faillogic behind this bandwagon. Is anyone willing to demonstrate why I "hurt town with that one"? What do you think was the best course of action to take after Shield claimed "masons with someone"?

[shieldgenerator7]

I apologize for any disadvantage I have put the town in by claiming. This is, after all, the first time I've started in a game being 1 vote away from facing the chopping block.

Then again, refusing to claim may have backfired on me later and we might have entered a WIFOM situation in which players suspect me because of my refusal to claim (maybe they'd think I had something to hide). So... in a no-win situation like this, we still have 2 townies, even though they are exposed, they're still alive. So I can live with myself knowing I did what I thought best at the moment.

About Rodion, it may seem kind of scummy prodding me for information on my mason partner. But being in the position I was, I had no room to argue. I can understand that the identity of my mason partner is necessary to prove that I am, in fact, a Town Mason, and I do not believe Rodion is necessarily scum for requesting that information. I believe he is just doing what he does best: scum hunt (or scum hide, in the majority of games). Thus, I will not vote for Rodion, while further evidence of his scuminess is nonexistent.

Do not insult my elven kindsmen. For I am not insane, I am your leader.

-SG7 ( )

[slowreactor]

Vote Count

Iron Butterfly (2)- Victor Sullivan, shieldgenerator7
shieldgenerator7 (4)- drake_259, jgordon1111, rdsrds2120, jgordon1111 (L-4)
Victor Sullivan (1)- Iliad
Rodion (4) - DoomYoshi, edocsil, wildwilliam, sheepofdumb (L-4)

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

[edocsil]

Rodion: You really hurt town with that one. Shield is town: Mafia just gained two claims and shield and edoc can be endgamed. Shield is mafia: Shield just doomed edoc. I can see its usefulness in that two mafia look like town but unless they kill the cop tonight they are both doomed.

This is just plain bullshit.

You did not mention that it gets a lot harder to force a mislynch when there are 2 townies that are outright removed from the pool of lynchees. Mafia started the game by being able to blend within 15 players and now they're forced to bled within 13. In the endgame scenario you mentioned, it gets extremely more difficult to force the mislynch if, say, 2 out of the 5 remaining players are confirmed townies. That means that either having the masons publicly cleared is not as bad as you're trying to suggest or they're dying before we get to endgame, a scenario you for some reason did not reckon.

So, in case Shield is mafia I fail to see why the move was bad as per the green part of your post?!?!

I'm not really getting the faillogic behind this bandwagon. Is anyone willing to demonstrate why I "hurt town with that one"? What do you think was the best course of action to take after Shield claimed "masons with someone"?

Because you completely and utterly wrecked 2 roles of middling power? So lets say there are 3 scum and a sk and then me and shield. 6 players,9 remain. There is at least a Cop, Doc and one other town power (Vig, joat, who knows) you just dratically increased the chance that we will lose town power, as can no longer serve as a meatshield to absorb night kills.