All Your Base Are Belong To Us

[DiM]

great map
but why the hell clickies doesn't work on this map

thanks. unfortunately it's not something that i or sully can solve. i don't use clickable maps and never did. i don't even know who made the script for clickies but i think that's the best person to talk to.

[usernamer]

nice map, only problem is I started a dubs game on it and they started off with 2 alien bases, us with a human and an alien which I think gives us an unfair advantage as we can easily get a +2 from the human side and break their alien bonuses they try to get... just thought id point that out. Just think you shouldn't be able to start on a side your opponents dont start on if you're also on the same side as them.

[b00060]

I see there has not been a fix to the neutrals to make them larger and people continue to launch and win in round 1. Very weak!

[Victor Sullivan]

The update will likely come Monday.

-Sully

[DiM]

nice map, only problem is I started a dubs game on it and they started off with 2 alien bases, us with a human and an alien which I think gives us an unfair advantage as we can easily get a +2 from the human side and break their alien bonuses they try to get... just thought id point that out. Just think you shouldn't be able to start on a side your opponents dont start on if you're also on the same side as them.

i'm not even sure but i think it's impossible to code that on team games each player starts on the same side as his team.

[DiM]

I see there has not been a fix to the neutrals to make them larger and people continue to launch and win in round 1. Very weak!

we've changed the neutrals since the first occurrence of this problem. but the nobodies has to get the files, verify them, approve them, then send them to lackattack who in turn probably checks the files again then uploads them to the site.
as sully pointed, probably on monday it will be fixed.

[offinthecorner]

great map DiM. i just had one question. the map says that you need to hold all of either tech level 3 to win and it seems you only need the bottom row. Is this how you wanted it? if so the wording is a little confusing.

[Swimmerdude99]

Would you consider making this map like some others in that you get 3 troops only no matter how many territs you have? There is no territ bonus but only for holding two consecutive levels for the bonus like you have it set.

I just think that might be cool. Just my two cents, looks like it is gonna be an EXCELLENT map

[Orwell]

Love the concept but this map has a real flaw as a 1v1, manual map: take out opponents bases and it's game over in the first turn.
Seems extreme and it's undeniably exploitable.

[s3xt0y]

Love the concept but this map has a real flaw as a 1v1, manual map: take out opponents bases and it's game over in the first turn.
Seems extreme and it's undeniably exploitable.

There adding more to the neutrals, which is unfortunate because it completely changes the standard strategy as well...

[thenobodies80]

The map was updated!

[Victor Sullivan]

Huzzah!

-Sully

[donkeylove]

Just started a game where I realise the neutrals in the tech lvl 3 have been changed but is it right that the alien level 3 is n10 and the human side stays at n2?? Game 10088717

[Victor Sullivan]

Just started a game where I realise the neutrals in the tech lvl 3 have been changed but is it right that the alien level 3 is n10 and the human side stays at n2?? Game 10088717

Ah! 'Tis true! I'll get on that

-Sully

[Victor Sullivan]

Fixed!

http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/12/18 ... Sully2.xml

-Sully

[s3xt0y]

well that sucks...got a bunch of games now that are one sided To be honest I think ten is too much too. I'd say 5 would be a better bet. If people are worried about getting beaten in manual placement maps...drop on your base. You won't get beat then.

[lostatlimbo]

Just started a game where I realise the neutrals in the tech lvl 3 have been changed but is it right that the alien level 3 is n10 and the human side stays at n2?? Game 10088717

Yikes. Lots of tournaments going on this map too.

[lostatlimbo]

well that sucks...got a bunch of games now that are one sided :( To be honest I think ten is too much too. I'd say 5 would be a better bet. If people are worried about getting beaten in manual placement maps...drop on your base. You won't get beat then.

Yeah, I agree. I also don't get why it isn't the bottom row (FUME,LIFE,BYE,HIVE & PLAG,KABO,ERAS,SLAVE) that attacks the bases. All the other tech levels attack from the bottom row, would have made sense for Level 3 to do the same and made it a bit harder to take those out from the get go.

[s3xt0y]

well that sucks...got a bunch of games now that are one sided To be honest I think ten is too much too. I'd say 5 would be a better bet. If people are worried about getting beaten in manual placement maps...drop on your base. You won't get beat then.

Yeah, I agree. I also don't get why it isn't the bottom row (FUME,LIFE,BYE,HIVE & PLAG,KABO,ERAS,SLAVE) that attacks the bases. All the other tech levels attack from the bottom row, would have made sense for Level 3 to do the same and made it a bit harder to take those out from the get go.

Agreed 100% However adding ten to the mix really just makes a more drawn out game. It almost makes the holding all the silos or dna labs a viable tactic...

[Victor Sullivan]

well that sucks...got a bunch of games now that are one sided To be honest I think ten is too much too. I'd say 5 would be a better bet. If people are worried about getting beaten in manual placement maps...drop on your base. You won't get beat then.

Yeah, I agree. I also don't get why it isn't the bottom row (FUME,LIFE,BYE,HIVE & PLAG,KABO,ERAS,SLAVE) that attacks the bases. All the other tech levels attack from the bottom row, would have made sense for Level 3 to do the same and made it a bit harder to take those out from the get go.

Agreed 100% However adding ten to the mix really just makes a more drawn out game. It almost makes the holding all the silos or dna labs a viable tactic...

Once the new XML is uploaded, let it play out, then we can discuss other options

-Sully

[thenobodies80]

Fixed!

http://www.fileden.com/files/2010/12/18 ... Sully2.xml

-Sully

Updated!

[s3xt0y]

Once the new XML is uploaded, let it play out, then we can discuss other options

-Sully

Here's the thing...the idea of holding all 4 level 3 tech's now requires you to kill 54 neutrals. I think what should have happened was the silo's and dna labs get bumped up to 5 and each of the tech levels would get bumped up 1 tops. Then you would be protecting(barring incredible dice, which does happen)from the manual deploy first round elimination. This would give you a total of 45 neutrals to go through to get all tech levels. But it would also allow for the strategy where one goes after the opponents base early on. AND it doesn't leave it up to chance as much. Before to go for someone base you had to kill off 10 neutrals total then whatever they had in their base. Now you have to kill off 18 neutrals plus whatever they have in their base. Really all it does is allow for more dice fails and evens out the playing field for less strategic players. This allows for far too much chance in my humble opinion.

[grifftron]

Man you guys really screwd this beautiful map up with all these neutrals... shoulda left it as a farming map

[DiM]

Once the new XML is uploaded, let it play out, then we can discuss other options

-Sully

Here's the thing...the idea of holding all 4 level 3 tech's now requires you to kill 54 neutrals. I think what should have happened was the silo's and dna labs get bumped up to 5 and each of the tech levels would get bumped up 1 tops. Then you would be protecting(barring incredible dice, which does happen)from the manual deploy first round elimination. This would give you a total of 45 neutrals to go through to get all tech levels. But it would also allow for the strategy where one goes after the opponents base early on. AND it doesn't leave it up to chance as much. Before to go for someone base you had to kill off 10 neutrals total then whatever they had in their base. Now you have to kill off 18 neutrals plus whatever they have in their base. Really all it does is allow for more dice fails and evens out the playing field for less strategic players. This allows for far too much chance in my humble opinion.

this could work out fine but i don't like the dna/nuke going all the way to 5. maybe just 4.

so that means 4 on the dna/nuke, 3 on tech 2 lvl 1, 4 on tech 2 lvl 2 and 3 on tech 3 lvl 1.
so some guy deploying all his troops on a terit near a nuke would have 19 troops (18 attacking) to kill 4,3,4,3 plus whatever is on the base.
i think that's pretty decent and to be honest if you leave your base undefended despite knowing it's a losing condition, then it's your own fault.
just deploy 4 troops on it and normally you should be safe from an attack like 18v4,3,4,3,5.
it will still allow people to go for an early elimination and farm unsuspecting noobs that leave their base undefended but not so early as it was before.

ok, if nobody has any other issues and sully also agrees we'll go this way and see what happens.

[s3xt0y]

Once the new XML is uploaded, let it play out, then we can discuss other options

-Sully

Here's the thing...the idea of holding all 4 level 3 tech's now requires you to kill 54 neutrals. I think what should have happened was the silo's and dna labs get bumped up to 5 and each of the tech levels would get bumped up 1 tops. Then you would be protecting(barring incredible dice, which does happen)from the manual deploy first round elimination. This would give you a total of 45 neutrals to go through to get all tech levels. But it would also allow for the strategy where one goes after the opponents base early on. AND it doesn't leave it up to chance as much. Before to go for someone base you had to kill off 10 neutrals total then whatever they had in their base. Now you have to kill off 18 neutrals plus whatever they have in their base. Really all it does is allow for more dice fails and evens out the playing field for less strategic players. This allows for far too much chance in my humble opinion.

this could work out fine but i don't like the dna/nuke going all the way to 5. maybe just 4.

so that means 4 on the dna/nuke, 3 on tech 2 lvl 1, 4 on tech 2 lvl 2 and 3 on tech 3 lvl 1.
so some guy deploying all his troops on a terit near a nuke would have 19 troops (18 attacking) to kill 4,3,4,3 plus whatever is on the base.
i think that's pretty decent and to be honest if you leave your base undefended despite knowing it's a losing condition, then it's your own fault.
just deploy 4 troops on it and normally you should be safe from an attack like 18v4,3,4,3,5.
it will still allow people to go for an early elimination and farm unsuspecting noobs that leave their base undefended but not so early as it was before.

ok, if nobody has any other issues and sully also agrees we'll go this way and see what happens.

the less the better i liked it as it was origionally...but i understand why it was changed.