Actors Mafia Endgame: Town Wins

[jonty125]

We really need as much discussion today as possible, as this strict deadline only serves to help mafia. With that said, can you prod Sully?

Still 7 days to deadline and with good discussion currently going on strike will probably extend it. I second the notion of prodding Sully.

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[drunkmonkey]

From the scene, it appears Rodion ran into a PGO. If this is true, should PGO claim before nightfall? It seems to me you'd only get one kill on the mafia (as they wouldn't target you again), and we don't want to chance a townie running into him.

[jonty125]

OK 9 days to deadline!

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[spiesr]

From the scene, it appears Rodion ran into a PGO. If this is true, should PGO claim before nightfall? It seems to me you'd only get one kill on the mafia (as they wouldn't target you again), and we don't want to chance a townie running into him.

Well, even if a PGO claims, stuff like this can still happen...

[strike wolf]

7 days. I didn't change the days when I edited the vote count. If activity keeps up I'll probably extend it by 2-3 days.

[jonty125]

From the scene, it appears Rodion ran into a PGO. If this is true, should PGO claim before nightfall? It seems to me you'd only get one kill on the mafia (as they wouldn't target you again), and we don't want to chance a townie running into him.

They should, town won't lynch them because you are town aligned and if mafia try and shoot you they'll join Rodion.

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[jonty125]

From the scene, it appears Rodion ran into a PGO. If this is true, should PGO claim before nightfall? It seems to me you'd only get one kill on the mafia (as they wouldn't target you again), and we don't want to chance a townie running into him.

Well, even if a PGO claims, stuff like this can still happen...

That was hilarious, shame JOAT decided to kill me that night.

[safariguy5]

We're better off with a PGO not revealing himself. I suppose the mafia knows who he is now, but the other death seems like it's a SKer to me. So we still have a chance for the PGO to kill the SKer, which is probably just as good as offing mafia.

[Victor Sullivan]

We're better off with a PGO not revealing himself. I suppose the mafia knows who he is now, but the other death seems like it's a SKer to me. So we still have a chance for the PGO to kill the SKer, which is probably just as good as offing mafia.

Hm... Well, I'd think a SKer would wield a blade, not a gun? Perhaps it's a petty thing, but it seems very hard that there was no mafia kill or flavor to indicate that the kill was blocked or the victim protected (as per the Night 1 scene). I honestly don't think we're dealing with an SKer.

As for the PGO, it seems improbable to me that there is one, or at the very least that the death Night 1 was the result of a PGO. It seemed deliberate, since wildwilliam's character did not initiate the conversation described in the scene (likely meaning the killer in question was not targeted by wildwilliam). It seemed quite intentional on the killer's part. Granted, I suppose that could be mafia, but all the same, another kill was attempted, and it seems rather unlikely that a PGO might get targeted twice in a row (and the person that targeted said supposed PGO was protected, as flavor seems to indicate).

In conclusion, my money is on mafia and vig, as I find no reason to believe from scene flavor that there is a SKer or PGO.

For reference:

• Night 1 Scene
• Night 2 Scene

-Sully

[safariguy5]

We're better off with a PGO not revealing himself. I suppose the mafia knows who he is now, but the other death seems like it's a SKer to me. So we still have a chance for the PGO to kill the SKer, which is probably just as good as offing mafia.

Hm... Well, I'd think a SKer would wield a blade, not a gun? Perhaps it's a petty thing, but it seems very hard that there was no mafia kill or flavor to indicate that the kill was blocked or the victim protected (as per the Night 1 scene). I honestly don't think we're dealing with an SKer.

As for the PGO, it seems improbable to me that there is one, or at the very least that the death Night 1 was the result of a PGO. It seemed deliberate, since wildwilliam's character did not initiate the conversation described in the scene (likely meaning the killer in question was not targeted by wildwilliam). It seemed quite intentional on the killer's part. Granted, I suppose that could be mafia, but all the same, another kill was attempted, and it seems rather unlikely that a PGO might get targeted twice in a row (and the person that targeted said supposed PGO was protected, as flavor seems to indicate).

In conclusion, my money is on mafia and vig, as I find no reason to believe from scene flavor that there is a SKer or PGO.

For reference:

• Night 1 Scene
• Night 2 Scene

-Sully

So are you saying that the vig killed the townie or the vig killed the mafia player? Both of the Night 2 kills were done apparently by lone gunman. Because if it's a vig who killed the townie, I've got a feeling that the vig is one of the newer players. Especially in the beginning, people get all excited with having a nightkill and start vigging random people. Most of the time, they end up hitting townies. So if we really do have a vig, I would strongly suggest whoever that is to not go randomly trying to kill people unless they have very good evidence that the person is mafia.

So i'd like to think we have a mafia and SKer running around and not mafia and an noob vig who's just randomly shooting people.

[MoB Deadly]

From Night 1 Scene:
Meanwhile nearby gun shots were fired. Several people came by to see what had happened but they got there to find nothing had seemed to be out of the ordinary. No body, no blood and no weapons. Perhaps a blank one person reasoned and the rest nodded their heads turning back to the door.

We need to figure THIS part out eventually...

[new guy1]

just a suggestion, Mob, that might have been a bulletproof being shot at but failing (obviously, the night action). or maybe it was deflected to a bulletproof.

[MoB Deadly]

Yeah actually, maybe SK tried to shoot the GF or something

[drunkmonkey]

The N2 action is what leads me to believe it's a PGO. The framer visited a house and got shot there. It sounded like Rodion targeted the shooter, not the other way around. However, if they did happen to target each other, the scene would still make sense. Unfortunately, I've read the scene several times over, and it doesn't look like strike put any flavor in specific to the shooter (I was looking for a Gran Torino quote or something...don't know why, but I got a Clint Eastwood vibe).

I still don't see the harm in PGO claiming if he exists, but that's all I'll say on it. It's just a tip to help get us through the night, but it's not helping us any during the day.

[safariguy5]

The N2 action is what leads me to believe it's a PGO. The framer visited a house and got shot there. It sounded like Rodion targeted the shooter, not the other way around. However, if they did happen to target each other, the scene would still make sense. Unfortunately, I've read the scene several times over, and it doesn't look like strike put any flavor in specific to the shooter (I was looking for a Gran Torino quote or something...don't know why, but I got a Clint Eastwood vibe).

I still don't see the harm in PGO claiming if he exists, but that's all I'll say on it. It's just a tip to help get us through the night, but it's not helping us any during the day.

Well the framer went to the house and was shot by someone who had followed him to the house. He wasn't killed by the person who was sitting in the house. So it's more likely that it was a killing role that got him. Whether that's a vig or SKer is up for debate, but I don't think it was the person inside the house who killed him.

[Victor Sullivan]

We're better off with a PGO not revealing himself. I suppose the mafia knows who he is now, but the other death seems like it's a SKer to me. So we still have a chance for the PGO to kill the SKer, which is probably just as good as offing mafia.

Hm... Well, I'd think a SKer would wield a blade, not a gun? Perhaps it's a petty thing, but it seems very hard that there was no mafia kill or flavor to indicate that the kill was blocked or the victim protected (as per the Night 1 scene). I honestly don't think we're dealing with an SKer.

As for the PGO, it seems improbable to me that there is one, or at the very least that the death Night 1 was the result of a PGO. It seemed deliberate, since wildwilliam's character did not initiate the conversation described in the scene (likely meaning the killer in question was not targeted by wildwilliam). It seemed quite intentional on the killer's part. Granted, I suppose that could be mafia, but all the same, another kill was attempted, and it seems rather unlikely that a PGO might get targeted twice in a row (and the person that targeted said supposed PGO was protected, as flavor seems to indicate).

In conclusion, my money is on mafia and vig, as I find no reason to believe from scene flavor that there is a SKer or PGO.

For reference:

• Night 1 Scene
• Night 2 Scene

-Sully

So are you saying that the vig killed the townie or the vig killed the mafia player? Both of the Night 2 kills were done apparently by lone gunman. Because if it's a vig who killed the townie, I've got a feeling that the vig is one of the newer players. Especially in the beginning, people get all excited with having a nightkill and start vigging random people. Most of the time, they end up hitting townies. So if we really do have a vig, I would strongly suggest whoever that is to not go randomly trying to kill people unless they have very good evidence that the person is mafia.

So i'd like to think we have a mafia and SKer running around and not mafia and an noob vig who's just randomly shooting people.

The mafia player Night 2. Either Night 1.

-Sully

[MoB Deadly]

I agree with Safari, Killer targeted Rodion, not the other way around

fastposted by sully.

[zimmah]

I think its up to the mod, in my games I even tell vanilla townies if someone roleblocks them....

But I don't usually inform my players that they were roleblocked unless they expect a result from their night action (vote steal, cop investigation, flavor investigation). It may vary by mod however.

Okay, if we assume that either the proton pack was sort of investigative item, or that the mod informs people that they were roleblocked even when they aren't expecting results, then we are left with the question of how Bgthebrain and zimmah were both blocked last night. From my perspective I see the following possibilities.
1. There is a mafia roleblocker.
2. A busdriver or redirector was involved.
3. Sometimes the jailkeeper role doesn't simply keep it's target from dying, but actually blocks any other actions against that person.

like i said myself, it's possible the jailkeeper tried to protect me, however, whenever the jailkeeper puts someone in jail, they can't die, but they also get roleblocked. (you can't go outside when you're in jail)

[drunkmonkey]

Well the framer went to the house and was shot by someone who had followed him to the house. He wasn't killed by the person who was sitting in the house. So it's more likely that it was a killing role that got him. Whether that's a vig or SKer is up for debate, but I don't think it was the person inside the house who killed him.

Ah, you're right. Never mind.

[zimmah]

He was banging on the door of one of the townies when he was first found. "Hello? Hello McFly?" He yelled. "You in there? I need that report McFly. If I don't get that report, I'll get fired. You don't want me to get fired do you McFly?"

"With your attitude I think a lot of people would want you fired" the man following him said calmly. Biff as he was called produced his trade mark expression and turned to face his accuser.

"who the hell are you butt head?" He said. "Why don't you beat it?

here you can read that Biff (rodion) was banging on the door of McFly. Rodion knew the name of the person he was visiting, but got shot (in the back) by someone he didn't know (Biff said 'who are you'). so it can't be a PGO.

i personally think it's a newbie vig.

[safariguy5]

He was banging on the door of one of the townies when he was first found. "Hello? Hello McFly?" He yelled. "You in there? I need that report McFly. If I don't get that report, I'll get fired. You don't want me to get fired do you McFly?"

"With your attitude I think a lot of people would want you fired" the man following him said calmly. Biff as he was called produced his trade mark expression and turned to face his accuser.

"who the hell are you butt head?" He said. "Why don't you beat it?

here you can read that Biff (rodion) was banging on the door of McFly. Rodion knew the name of the person he was visiting, but got shot (in the back) by someone he didn't know (Biff said 'who are you'). so it can't be a PGO.

i personally think it's a newbie vig.

It's possible that the McFly reference is just to Biff's character in Back to the Future. He may just call everyone McFly. But I agree, it's probably not a PGO. All the deaths have been done by single people with guns, so I'm not ruling out a possible SKer or maybe a 1-shot vig kill from a JOAT.

[zimmah]

He was banging on the door of one of the townies when he was first found. "Hello? Hello McFly?" He yelled. "You in there? I need that report McFly. If I don't get that report, I'll get fired. You don't want me to get fired do you McFly?"

"With your attitude I think a lot of people would want you fired" the man following him said calmly. Biff as he was called produced his trade mark expression and turned to face his accuser.

"who the hell are you butt head?" He said. "Why don't you beat it?

here you can read that Biff (rodion) was banging on the door of McFly. Rodion knew the name of the person he was visiting, but got shot (in the back) by someone he didn't know (Biff said 'who are you'). so it can't be a PGO.

i personally think it's a newbie vig.

It's possible that the McFly reference is just to Biff's character in Back to the Future. He may just call everyone McFly. But I agree, it's probably not a PGO. All the deaths have been done by single people with guns, so I'm not ruling out a possible SKer or maybe a 1-shot vig kill from a JOAT.

there's something wrong of the 1-shot kill JOAT theory. because in N1 there were also 2 guns shot. tho the first night only 1 people died.

i wouldn't completely rule out an SK, even tho SK are normally using knives.

[new guy1]

but there wouldnt be a "gunshot heard in the distance" if they used a knife, which makes me think we can rule out a knife-using killer.

[MoB Deadly]

but there wouldnt be a "gunshot heard in the distance" if they used a knife, which makes me think we can rule out a knife-using killer.

What they are saying is.... in most games if there is a Serial Killer, they usually kill people with knives. However you are right there are two gunshots, not knife kills. But that does not rule out a SK, in some games the SK has a gun to make things foggy

[drunkmonkey]

In the games I've played so far, the SKs have used bombs & guns, so I don't think the weapon used says much about the role.