Memebase Mafia Game Over!

[safariguy5]

My vote's on shield, I'd like to hear at least a claim and then decide from there.

[Victor Sullivan]

My vote's on shield, I'd like to hear at least a claim and then decide from there.

+1

Wait, no-! Gah! Kitty 'fused.

-Sully

[strike wolf]

You have less than a week for a lynch. Do I need to send out prods?

Challenge Accepted!

I don't know, but I do know that strike dead beated out of a game that I was in with him, so he's not just skimming here and saying fluff without backing it up, he disappeared. I guess for now, I'll unvote. Hopefully he at least shows back up, we've had enough inactives already.

I'm actually kind of embarassed about that. I've been around but I honestly forgot to take my last turn in that game.

Anyways the two people I've been looking into are Sheep and to a lesser extent you, chap. I'm willing to give Chap a bit of a benefit of the doubt as he still is a bit new and was still very new when this game started (most of my suspicion stems from his early play anyways) but I am interested in sheep. I'll have a case on him done tomorrow I'll promise that much.

[shieldgenerator7]

yeah a prod would be nice. inactives lurking about

anyway yeah saf you need to start a successful badwagon to get me to claim.

strike I'd like to hear your case on sheep and chap.

*sees a new mafia game in signups, keeps walking*

-SG7 ( )

[strike wolf]

How do I Vote / if you can't see who I'm pointing to?

First post of the game. Not much here but possible indication he's the "How Do I shoot?" meme?

Dinkleberg meme.

I agree with safari. We have the ability to identify several memes so let's use that as a springboard for day 1.

Also, ponies:

A situation where he doesn't seem to be actually demonstrating that he's the bronies meme (at least by itself) I'd just thought I'd make that clear as he was far from the only one in this game that's been spreading bronies and I believe he did say something about bronies in the pregame.

Anyways for a real point I think it's just slightly contradictory of sheep here to be saying we can learn about several people's memes when he himself appears to either be using multiple memes or a confusing meme himself. It's a weak argument (which is why I didn't pursue a MeDeFe case on that issue day 1) but it does feel like it's worth noting.

After this post though things start getting more interesting:

His activity says he logged on today and he has visited the forums a few times in the past few days. I'll accept this. Vote ckyrias

He initially jumps on the ckyrias wagon and I believe was the 10th post making him a bandwagon vote before:

I was going to object to this bandwagon but seeing the lack of activity made me consider otherwise. The speed at which this bandwagon formed compared to the number of players and the volume of discussion before hand is rather jarring. Hopefully we can get some discussion going now that we have some attention.

THIS really jogged my attention. He states that he would have objected to the bandwagon but because of activity he didn't and joined it instead I guess? can that be implied? You were 10th on a bandwagon that reached 12 people before it was initially brushed off. I don't think you earned the right to complain about how fast the bandwagon formed and this is definitely FOS worthy on it's own.

ok... you expect me to follow 100% the banter between the fans pointing the finger to those who claim a meme role as suspicious and to those that say its irrelevant? i will pass!

Yes I do expect you to follow 100% of the banter. If you don't you're skimming. Do you have to comment on it? Not really but you do need to post something. My past few posts have had very little substance to them.

Metsfanmax, just because he showed his face once while under pressure means very little. I need another post or two before I'm ready to accept that he's active again. I see you trying to take advantage of the speed at which this bandwagon formed. Getting set up for a case against those in the bandwagon looks like a safe scum move to me.

Skull you hop on the bandwagon without a word and I see you trying to sneak off before it gets hot. I'm watching you.

His issue with mets isn't big in and of itself but is it just me who feels it is fairly contradictory to what he stated in the first part of this post? He takes issue with how quickly the bandwagon formed and sheep mentioned issue with that at the beginning of his post.

There are so many things wrong with this post that I should FOS everyone who has seen it for skimming.

Right I've skimmed the thread now, and I've made an interesting discovery: 38 pages of solid internet memes can make you lose the will to live. I think this also explains 4chan.

Admission of skimming

Anyway, I've decided it's for the best that I claim since we almost certainly have quite a few town power roles and I don't want to kill them off. I'm Paranoid Parrot, town paranoid gun owner. Anyone who targets me at night will die.

No attempt at subtlety. This claim comes pretty much out of left field. It feels more like a cover than anything else.

Moving on, Vote Srike wolf. I'm honestly suprised he wasn't lynched on day one. He's claimed voteless townie- a role that actively hurts town even if he's telling the truth, since he can't vote scum but ups the number of people needed for a lynch.

I'm not at all convinced he is a townie though, for three reasons:
1) He originally voted someone, before remembering he was voteless. If the extent of my role was voteless townie, I think I would remember the voteless bit. If I were scum though... the more interesting part of my role might well lead me to forget I had no vote.
2) Would the mods really put a voteless townie in the game? A player who has very little ability to impact anything would be a real bastard role and likely promote inactivity, which brings me to my third point...
3) Strike wolf has been posting like a demon. He seems altogether too interested in the game for someone with such a crappy role.

Bearing all this in mind I'd say there's at least a 50% chance strike is scum. When you consider that even if he is town we're actually better off without him, I think he's a great lynch candidate.

And a super agressive push on Strike. 50% chance? You sound awfully sure for a PGO. Now is Strike dead weight? Likely but we can worry about that further down the road. I'd rather chase scum than dead weight this early on in the game. Lets not give the killers free night if we can help it. Vote icedagger

I don't see anything particularly wrong with the logic in the post but at this point sheep was the 3rd to vote (unless I miscounted) and the 5th to express suspicion of Icedagger's logic. Maybe timing but it seems like it could be early bandwagon hopping again too.

For someone who thinks skimming warrants a vote you don't seem to have actually read my post. Quite a bit of it outlines why I don't think strike wolf is a townie. Strike has the added bonus that even if he is town it's not a big loss.

As for the skiming part, which sheepfodumb and doomyoshi also use as a major justification for voting me- really? It's a 38 page thread, I didn't read every word of some of the walls of text discussing game mechanics.

Mine wasn't that major. I noticed it but it was the claim that caught my attention. Gotta build the strongest case you can, no?

Sheepofdumb- you at least broke my post up but don't seem the least bit concerned with addressing my arguments.

The claim- it feels like cover? What? The player I replaced had no heat on him. The reason I claimed was because we likely have a number of town players with night actions. I don't expect it to prove my town credentials one way or the other.

I find an out of the blue "don't touch me, lynch him!" maneuver rather scummy. PGO is a scum claim. It frightens people away from you which is exactly what scum want.

The "super aggressive push" is because I genuinely believe strike is by far and away the obvious lynch. You cite it as if it's some kind of evidence for me being scum but don't give any reason why.

The reality is I've raised my head above the parapet because I'm more concerned with a town win than my own survival, I don't really see how that can be construed as a scum tell.

So your argument is that we lynch a townie so the town can win. You believe that there is a 50% chance that strike is scum because he's voteless and that if he really is town he's just dead weight and thus a danger to the town. Strike only becomes a danger in late game if the mafia are winning. He makes a very poor day 2 lynch because the mafia have more chances to take out power roles. We need to stop mafia early in the game to reduce the amount of damage they do.

I might consider lynching him day 4 or 5 if we have no leads because his presence becomes a bit more dangerous.

Now I'm not sure I may have even agreed with this point early on in the game and this isn't so much a direct accusation as much as it is an inquiry, but what makes it more favorable to lynch me later on in the game? Late in the game we fall behind to mafia and I would make a good lynch? I would still cause the scenario you mentioned for day 2. townie lynch free mafia night to take out a town role.

I was thinking pedobear would be scum. Then again, there's a good chance he's miller too. After all he is Pedobear and his actions are... well immoral to say the least.

This came right after Safari announced he got a guilty result on Rodion. There's merit to pointing out that it could be a miller situation however the post just seems to be very non-commital overall. Beyond that this is really his first mention of this. As was said yesterday this seems like very convenient timing.

Vote Squirrel. Well slowreactor?

Squirrel was the obvious lynch yes but this is his first post of the day and it well...lacks any content after the actual vote.

I'm just not getting good vibes from you slow.

1). Mr. Squirrel fakeclaims implicates you but you have no night action, how lucky for him.
2). No night action and can be tree stumped with a claim to lose your vote, how unfortunate for you.
3). No omegle partner. You say your role is the reason for no omegle partner. I have a feeling we aren't supposed to like you very much. There's definitely something off about your meme.

Again seems to be jumping the bandwagon.

I thought you had someone in mind. If you are just going to review the thread and look for someone to pass the buck to then I don't see any good reason not to put pressure on you.

If you can make a good case that's fine. You have a few marks against you but if someones looks scummier I'll listen.

Unvote vote shield

The latest in a list of bandwagons he hopped on. This one far less blatant than some of the other but still there.

As far as chap. I don't have time to post his full case but I did feel he was wagon hopping a bit. Though as the game went on the hopping became less blatant and chap was still new at the time (still is somewhat new) so I'm willing to let it go.

As far as Shield, I can't support it. Not because the case doesn't have SOME merit for the reasoning by itself (with the exception of the making up his PR part which I don't really buy) but because of who it is on. Shield seems to be accused of this type of stuff every game it is interesting and I asked him on it but it's not the first time he's been accused of issues like this and it seems just as often as not he turns out to be town.

[strike wolf]

I meant to hit preview not submit but it's out there now and I don't feel like going back through it just to make adjustments.

[safariguy5]

Alright I'm back. Good to see tal got replaced, but we still have 2 inactives which isn't good.

I will caution shield that reading back in threads is vital to get your facts straight. But is this a lynchable offense? not really in my mind.

We have some guys who pop in and post and then disappear (sheep being one of the more obvious ones) but I really can't build a case because he hasn't said anything.

So I'm going to suggest lynching an inactive just so we won't have problems with getting lynches later on in the game.

vote kwanton

I also noticed that sheep seems to be basically popping in, making 1 post, being very non commital and then going silent again. I think that he's being deliberately hard to read, could be trying to keep from attracting attention.

unvote vote sheepofdumb

[sheepofdumb]

I'm popping in and out because I'm lazy. All the inactives are wrecking this game but I signed up and I'm going to play it.

[shieldgenerator7]

I'm popping in and out because I'm lazy. All the inactives are wrecking this game but I signed up and I'm going to play it.

ok... I guess I can see that. But that's not good enough of a defense for me. I want a claim. VOTE SHEEP
What about how strike mentioned you were using different memes? You didn't respond to everything in his post.

*sees lazy sheep, quits walking and kicks them*
*nevermind, keeps walking*

-SG7 ( )

[drake_259]

With the strong case strike has placed on sheep Vote sheep

As mentioned, would like to understand the multiple meme usage.

[DoomYoshi]

Really sheep. That is all you have to say in defense?

I don't always call a defense weak sauce, but when I do I prefer BBQ sauce.

[strike wolf]

That defense was weak. What about the bandwagons that you jumped on?

On the other hand I do find it funny that drake and shield have latched onto the weaker side of my argument rather than the bandwagoning.

[shieldgenerator7]

That defense was weak. What about the bandwagons that you jumped on?

On the other hand I do find it funny that drake and shield have latched onto the weaker side of my argument rather than the bandwagoning.

That was because that was what I remembered most from reading your post. I did also mention "you didn't address all the points made in strike's post" to account for the other points you made that I forgot to mention.

BTW good job in that post. You don't have a very strong role in this game and yet you still give it your all. +1 to strike

*sees a mountaineer climbing alone, keeps walking*

-SG7 ( )

[sheepofdumb]

No that's not all I have to say in defense because I was responding directly to Safari.

Meme usage: This is a meme game and I enjoy memes. I don't usually have an opportunity to use memes in conversation so I felt like I had a good opportunity to sprinkle around some light memeage when I felt that I could get away with it not looking like spam.

Bandwagoning: The discussion in this game has been lacking what with the droves of inactives and relatively quick lynches. If there is a point that I feel is left out I say it. As was the case when I said pedobear was a miller. I was right, he was 3rd party that showed scum on investigation.

[safariguy5]

No that's not all I have to say in defense because I was responding directly to Safari.

Meme usage: This is a meme game and I enjoy memes. I don't usually have an opportunity to use memes in conversation so I felt like I had a good opportunity to sprinkle around some light memeage when I felt that I could get away with it not looking like spam.

Bandwagoning: The discussion in this game has been lacking what with the droves of inactives and relatively quick lynches. If there is a point that I feel is left out I say it. As was the case when I said pedobear was a miller. I was right, he was 3rd party that showed scum on investigation.

So your solution to inactivity is to be inactive yourself? Two wrong's don't make a right.

[chapcrap]

No that's not all I have to say in defense because I was responding directly to Safari.

Meme usage: This is a meme game and I enjoy memes. I don't usually have an opportunity to use memes in conversation so I felt like I had a good opportunity to sprinkle around some light memeage when I felt that I could get away with it not looking like spam.

Bandwagoning: The discussion in this game has been lacking what with the droves of inactives and relatively quick lynches. If there is a point that I feel is left out I say it. As was the case when I said pedobear was a miller. I was right, he was 3rd party that showed scum on investigation.

So your solution to inactivity is to be inactive yourself? Two wrong's don't make a right.

Challenged Accepted!

3 left turns do though.

I agree with saf though. The memes put me over the top. Meme experimenting? That just seems crazy. With all the nutty meme action going on, I didn't even realize that sheep had been throwing out all kinds of memes. vote sheep

[sheepofdumb]

No that's not all I have to say in defense because I was responding directly to Safari.

Meme usage: This is a meme game and I enjoy memes. I don't usually have an opportunity to use memes in conversation so I felt like I had a good opportunity to sprinkle around some light memeage when I felt that I could get away with it not looking like spam.

Bandwagoning: The discussion in this game has been lacking what with the droves of inactives and relatively quick lynches. If there is a point that I feel is left out I say it. As was the case when I said pedobear was a miller. I was right, he was 3rd party that showed scum on investigation.

So your solution to inactivity is to be inactive yourself? Two wrong's don't make a right.

But I haven't been inactive. Spotty yes but I've kept tabs on the game and if something happened I have been there. You can't really call it submarining either because there have been stretches of this game where no one has posted for days or stretches where there's really no meaningful conversation going on.

Challenged Accepted!

3 left turns do though.

I agree with saf though. The memes put me over the top. Meme experimenting? That just seems crazy. With all the nutty meme action going on, I didn't even realize that sheep had been throwing out all kinds of memes. vote sheep

I've never claimed a meme or dropped hints of my role through the use of the images. I don't see any harm in placing a well placed dinkleberg in one post and ponies in the next. I've kept it sporadic and used it for flavor only.

[safariguy5]

You being there is not the same as you being active. Bandwagon voting, very sporadic posting, the classic signs of a mafia trying to fly under the radar. Sitting back and allowing other people to try and come up with leads and cases lets you not draw attention to yourself. And it worked, seeing as how you've survived until Day 3 with nobody really calling you out until now.

So then let's hear it, what are your opinions on who is scummy. Now is the perfect time for you to add a lead or a case on someone.

[sheepofdumb]

A look through /'s posts I found a pretty neutral game from him. Of course it's hard to tell much when you only have about 10 posts in a 67 page game. That's just barely under 1% of the posts made in this game.

Sounds exciting, me gusta

I agree we should be on the lookout for the scummier memes and should point them out as necessary, but I'm not sure a list is the best way to go about it, if roles correspond to scum, it probably goes both ways, it could give scum a hint to power-roles if we present everything in handy list form. (page)14

First serious post of the game.

Sorry, I was missing for about four days due to internet issues, no excuse before that though.

it seems the noose quickly tightened around ckyrias' neck, 12 voters in a row and then a C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER from safari, still tight and restrictive, a threatening force on ckyrias air flow, but not enough to cause death.... ME GUSTA

Yeah, probably enough pressure to hear from ckyrias if they come around. (Page 21)

We have deadlines, and even the dreaded "no lynch", the point was to get rid of a scummariner and hope for the best, and the more info we get out of it the better in the long run IMO.

anyways, nag me gusta Unvote (Page 29)

He pops up day 1 about every 8 pages or so, takes away his joke vote before ckyrias is lynched day 1.

mmm omegle, private chats with a stranger me gusta!
it seems like this may be very entertaining, in more ways than one.....
i put on my robe and wizard hat (Page 38)

(On my speculation of pedobear being a miller) If you did actually feel that way it's interesting you chose now to mention it... In addition to bringing up the miller possibility, perhaps worthy of a fos should rodion turn up mafia.

Anyways great job safari!
I mean nothing wrong with liking some... things outside what one might call "normal" for example; seeing the predatory creature hunted by a kid, Me Gusta
vote rodion (Page 41)

There are stipulations, though. I no town, I no mafia - too mainstream for kitty. I decide easier for me side with town, especially cuz last night. I no listen to your mainstream crap, though! I my own cat! You promise no lynch me ever, then I tell.

-Sully

OMFG ITS HIGH EXPECTATIONS ASIAN DAD

Why you no read?? Kitty upset.

-Sully

a cat is fine too... hipster kitty.

speaking of which, it seems it is up to me to analyze this further
the one good thing that has come of this is that we have established there is flavor in the scenes
the *le laser point* seems to insinuate a fellow rage comic was involved in nagerous' death
the fuzziness of the victim makes me feel... ME GUSTA


aww, and why would anyone hate listening to "friday" on a loop? ME GUSTA all the seats (Page 49)

hmm, so the roleblocker claims to have been blocked in the blocking of the blocking molester? so improbable it has to be Me Gustaed
oh well, even if it weren't for the evidence, improbability, and abundance of lynches, it would still bring me delight to turn an elitist hipster's actions into a mainstream bandwagon. me gusta

vote mr.s (Page 51)

Sorry I've been absent for about a week. The way things are, I'll probably take a break from mafia after my current games.

Ah but back to the game, there is a definite correlation to one's role and flavor obviously, the two scummies dead have scummy roles, the third parties seem explicitly unconventional types, the town... sort of neutral, assorted memes. I would be willing to pressure a future candidate based of their PR. Yay, now it's time to re-re-reread the thread again, mmmmm the natural high of sifting through the same exact info. ME GUSTA (Page 64)

Geez, my apologies again, for being among the many inactive, I would ask to be replaced, but as we see there is a larger base of priorities than myself if we want to get this moving again...
I won't stall this any longer, the meme doesn't seem to quite fit, it seems more like a type of role that would talk secretly if following the meme, like a mason or such perhaps. Nothing better than a note filled with contempt to get one really excited ME GUSTA
Vote Dazza (Page 69)

He's apologized for being inactive three times and is interested now interested in being replaced but this game has already seen 8 replacements and as someone said earlier some of the inactives have been killed off in the night. As I said he roughly averages one post per 8 pages.

He's doing a pretty good job at scummarining. Pretty much skipped voting day 1 but from then on out he has only voted on the bandwagons that have produced a lynch. Not much else to say. He hasn't stuck himself out there which is the problem.

Unvote vote / for major scummarining.

[strike wolf]

There's not even evidence that / has been on since his last post in thread October 10th (his last post period in public forums) and he hasn't played a game since 2010. So yeah seems like just an inactive who we won't get anything from. I would say killing him tonight may be on the table if he can't be replaced but I don't find him a viable candidate for making a case against.

[sheepofdumb]

No perhaps not but if the active players are killed off then the game will never finish.

[DoomYoshi]

No perhaps not but if the active players are killed off then the game will never finish.

I agree with this defense (or is it defence?). I noticed Vio has been missing for a bit too. Luckily, at the rate this game has been going, anyone can catch up in a couple hours. If we can't reach an agreement to lynch shield, I am fine with going for an inactive. However, since we still have 2 RT days, let's go into the night with some more information. vote sheep. Let's get a claim.

I don't always push for a claim, but when I do, I prefer shield responds with some pony.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I would be satisfied with a lynch of sheep or shield at this point because they both are acting quite scummy. I also want to hear more of a claim for sheep so unvote vote sheep

[shieldgenerator7]

No perhaps not but if the active players are killed off then the game will never finish.

I agree with this defense (or is it defence?). I noticed Vio has been missing for a bit too. Luckily, at the rate this game has been going, anyone can catch up in a couple hours. If we can't reach an agreement to lynch shield, I am fine with going for an inactive. However, since we still have 2 RT days, let's go into the night with some more information. vote sheep. Let's get a claim.

I don't always push for a claim, but when I do, I prefer shield responds with some pony.

GRANTED!


-SG7 ( )

[slowreactor]

No perhaps not but if the active players are killed off then the game will never finish.

I agree with this defense (or is it defence?). I noticed Vio has been missing for a bit too. Luckily, at the rate this game has been going, anyone can catch up in a couple hours. If we can't reach an agreement to lynch shield, I am fine with going for an inactive. However, since we still have 2 RT days, let's go into the night with some more information. vote sheep. Let's get a claim.

I don't always push for a claim, but when I do, I prefer shield responds with some pony.

GRANTED!


-SG7 ( )

WTF I WANT MY BACON