Actors Mafia Endgame: Town Wins

[drunkmonkey]

unvote

Also Drunkmonkey with 17 alive it only takes 9 to lynch so Zimmah was at L-1

Guess it was a good thing no one hammered. I believe him.

[blakebowling]

Unvote

I believe him as well, however you could have avoided the claim by not being so hasty and awkward in your arguments.

[zimmah]

Unvote

I believe him as well, however you could have avoided the claim by not being so hasty and awkward in your arguments.

i have done nothing wrong, it's just a bandwagon against me. my agruments were better then 99% of the arguments that were used against me.

[jonty125]

I'm not budging my vote because I would think of rambo being a vig or bulletproof or both (C9 did a game with Mr.T who was a bulletproof town vig)

[BGtheBrain]

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[jonty125]

I think its a valid claim. Rambo was all about being in the jungle and claiming bulletproof wouldve been easier than claiming something that Flor could confirm or deny.

Hmmm, that makes sense but Flor if she was mafia and her fakeclaim was a VT she would deny visiting VS. Under this logic unvote

[BGtheBrain]

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[MoB Deadly]

By the end of the game if 1 of the 2 turns up scum theyre both cooked.

and pretty much clears blake completely

[soundman]

Go to sleep, come back to almost 3 pages. Unvote I believe him. Time to look go look back for another case.

[zimmah]

By the end of the game if 1 of the 2 turns up scum theyre both cooked.

i don't really understand this. if floris is scum, so am i? i never said floris was not scum, i don't even know why he visited sully, i just know he did.

and rambo being a vig or bulletproof would be obvious, but i'm not going to lie about it, i'm not bulletproof and not a vig either.

"nothing sais stealth then a guy who's as subtle as a rocket in your face"

well, i guess that fits me, cuz i'm in no way subtle, i don't care for a low profile, mafia or not, just get used to me, cuz this is how i play mafia. i'm not the type of guy to sit in a corner and hide.

[BGtheBrain]

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[new guy1]

unvote, considering the role that you revealed, it seems logical to me.

PS- i dont know how someone can call it bandwaggoning when there is so much evidence pointed towards the person. like i said earlier, its my second game so i havent quite picked up good methods of finding evidence...

[zimmah]

unvote, considering the role that you revealed, it seems logical to me.

PS- i dont know how someone can call it bandwaggoning when there is so much evidence pointed towards the person. like i said earlier, its my second game so i havent quite picked up good methods of finding evidence...

some people were comming with good points, but mostly it was just lies, invalid arguments, or no arguments at all. so that would be bandwagoning.

i think some of the ones that voted me were mafia, but obviously not everyone, as some people may have thought i was acting scummy for real.

like i said, i'm not the person to hide in a corner, i just say what i think, and i basicly don't care much what others think of me, i'm just telling what i think.

[zimmah]

that being said, we will need to start a new case before the deadline.

[BGtheBrain]

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[strike wolf]

Vote Count

Bgthebrain (2)-Edoc, Mr. Squirrel
blake
Zimmah (2)-rodion, victor sullivan
Mr. Squirrel
Jonty (1)-Zimmah
drunkmonkey
rodion
edocsil
victor sullivan
newguy
spiesr
mob deadly
pancakemix
flores des mal
safariguy
conzocool

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline in 6 days.

[zimmah]

I think this is a valid case, but whatever

Mr S you act like I was wanting to lynch a proven townie(lynch mongering). I was weighing the pros and cons of lynching someone. As for my mini-crusade against BB, I wanted answers and I got them. Hardly a Crusade. Unless of course you are trying to use words which would demonize me and make me appear scummy. You also claim OMGUS on me because I asked where the hell Blake was on D1? What since votes me I shouldnt be allowed to ask him any questions.

Mr S I consider you to be a very experienced player which makes me believe the way you made your message to paint me as villainous (Mini-Crusade and Lynch Mongering) and OMGUS accusation can not be a mistake, but I feel it is very intentional.

Vote Mr Squirrel

Im sure you will respond with another OMGUS accusation,but I dont really care.
I know Im town and I know you are trying a little to hard to make me appear not town.

sorry to say but sounds like OMGUS to me at this point, unless anyone else has anything against Mr. S.

[spiesr]

By the end of the game if 1 of the 2 turns up scum theyre both cooked.

i don't really understand this. if floris is scum, so am i? i never said floris was not scum, i don't even know why he visited sully, i just know he did.

From what I gather, the logic behind that statement is that if you are faking you claim, you may have used your scum mate as the person that you claim to have tracked, either because you know what action she took, or you can rely on her to not confirm your false statement. Accordingly, if you turn out to be scum then we will be suspicious of Flores as to how you came to know her action. If Flores comes up as scum without an ability that could plausibly have been used Sully night 1, then we will suspect you of having lied. If Flores comes up as scum, but one with an ability that could have been used on Sully night 1, like Mafia Framer, then it doesn't prove you to be scum, but makes your claim less confirmed as you could have used your knowledge as scum mates to fake your action.

[zimmah]

By the end of the game if 1 of the 2 turns up scum theyre both cooked.

i don't really understand this. if floris is scum, so am i? i never said floris was not scum, i don't even know why he visited sully, i just know he did.

From what I gather, the logic behind that statement is that if you are faking you claim, you may have used your scum mate as the person that you claim to have tracked, either because you know what action she took, or you can rely on her to not confirm your false statement. Accordingly, if you turn out to be scum then we will be suspicious of Flores as to how you came to know her action. If Flores comes up as scum without an ability that could plausibly have been used Sully night 1, then we will suspect you of having lied. If Flores comes up as scum, but one with an ability that could have been used on Sully night 1, like Mafia Framer, then it doesn't prove you to be scum, but makes your claim less confirmed as you could have used your knowledge as scum mates to fake your action.

makes sense.

[safariguy5]

Ok, I'm back and I notice obviously the big case on zimmah + the claim.

Now, do I think the case was valid? Absolutely. The way you react to pressure says just as much about you as regular posting does. Extreme defensiveness, throwing OMGUS'es everywhere, zimmah looked like a textbook scum getting nervous and cracking under pressure. Calling everyone who jumps on your wagon also doesn't help.

Now that he claimed, I could plausibly see how Rambo could be a tracker role (considering First Blood was him vs cops in a wilderness).

There is one thing I'd like to point out however. zimmah saying that a no lynch on Day 1 was detrimental to town is not absolutely true. No lynching is no information gained is detrimental, but we did get a claim out of conozo, so I don't consider it necessarily a wasted day.

As for the secondary case on BG vs Mr. S, I feel that Mr. S has a point. When you vote for someone, you need to attach some reasoning, so that screenshot was appropriate during the original vote BG, not after the fact.

vote BG

[zimmah]

Ok, I'm back and I notice obviously the big case on zimmah + the claim.

Now, do I think the case was valid? Absolutely. The way you react to pressure says just as much about you as regular posting does. Extreme defensiveness, throwing OMGUS'es everywhere, zimmah looked like a textbook scum getting nervous and cracking under pressure. Calling everyone who jumps on your wagon also doesn't help.

Now that he claimed, I could plausibly see how Rambo could be a tracker role (considering First Blood was him vs cops in a wilderness).

There is one thing I'd like to point out however. zimmah saying that a no lynch on Day 1 was detrimental to town is not absolutely true. No lynching is no information gained is detrimental, but we did get a claim out of conozo, so I don't consider it necessarily a wasted day.

As for the secondary case on BG vs Mr. S, I feel that Mr. S has a point. When you vote for someone, you need to attach some reasoning, so that screenshot was appropriate during the original vote BG, not after the fact.

vote BG

so, defending against false accusions is scummy?

[safariguy5]

Ok, I'm back and I notice obviously the big case on zimmah + the claim.

Now, do I think the case was valid? Absolutely. The way you react to pressure says just as much about you as regular posting does. Extreme defensiveness, throwing OMGUS'es everywhere, zimmah looked like a textbook scum getting nervous and cracking under pressure. Calling everyone who jumps on your wagon also doesn't help.

Now that he claimed, I could plausibly see how Rambo could be a tracker role (considering First Blood was him vs cops in a wilderness).

There is one thing I'd like to point out however. zimmah saying that a no lynch on Day 1 was detrimental to town is not absolutely true. No lynching is no information gained is detrimental, but we did get a claim out of conozo, so I don't consider it necessarily a wasted day.

As for the secondary case on BG vs Mr. S, I feel that Mr. S has a point. When you vote for someone, you need to attach some reasoning, so that screenshot was appropriate during the original vote BG, not after the fact.

vote BG

so, defending against false accusions is scummy?

Accusing everyone of jumping on your wagon as scum is hyperdefensive. Logic not volume should be your way of convincing people you're not mafia. Claiming that everyone voting you is either mafia or jokevoting does nothing to convince me that you're town.

[zimmah]

Ok, I'm back and I notice obviously the big case on zimmah + the claim.

Now, do I think the case was valid? Absolutely. The way you react to pressure says just as much about you as regular posting does. Extreme defensiveness, throwing OMGUS'es everywhere, zimmah looked like a textbook scum getting nervous and cracking under pressure. Calling everyone who jumps on your wagon also doesn't help.

Now that he claimed, I could plausibly see how Rambo could be a tracker role (considering First Blood was him vs cops in a wilderness).

There is one thing I'd like to point out however. zimmah saying that a no lynch on Day 1 was detrimental to town is not absolutely true. No lynching is no information gained is detrimental, but we did get a claim out of conozo, so I don't consider it necessarily a wasted day.

As for the secondary case on BG vs Mr. S, I feel that Mr. S has a point. When you vote for someone, you need to attach some reasoning, so that screenshot was appropriate during the original vote BG, not after the fact.

vote BG

so, defending against false accusions is scummy?

Accusing everyone of jumping on your wagon as scum is hyperdefensive. Logic not volume should be your way of convincing people you're not mafia. Claiming that everyone voting you is either mafia or jokevoting does nothing to convince me that you're town.

i never accused EVERYONE on my wagon scum, i only pointed out why their reason, or lack of reasoning was wrong. i also stated it's likely that there's a lot of scum on the wagon.

why are you twisting my words?

can't you guys just stop twisting words? it's kinda annoying.

[zimmah]

Logic not volume should be your way of convincing people you're not mafia

i am using both logic and volume, but mostly because i need volume because most of you are twisitng my words.

[safariguy5]

Logic not volume should be your way of convincing people you're not mafia

i am using both logic and volume, but mostly because i need volume because most of you are twisitng my words.

This is more or less a moot point because you've already claimed and I'm buying the claim. The problem is that I cannot extrapolate who might be scum on your wagon because I think reasonable townies easily had enough reason to bandwagon you. Saying there's scum on your wagon is probably true, but it doesn't help us find out which players are mafia.

And you repeatedly said no lynching Day 2 was bad, yet you seemed extremely put off when people decided making you the day 2 target. I mean, we need information, and pulling it out of anyone is progress in my book. If you're town, getting pressured shouldn't make you nervous, because you know that your claim would be solid and that you won't have to make up lies about your role or character or night actions. We catch mafia through their lies, and those tend to take a roleclaim to catch.