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[strike wolf]

OK to clarify something: Claiming will not get me modkilled, but the subsequent thing that will happen is as good as getting modkilled. Also, I really did lose count, and my internet is lagging badly, how many votes on me right now?

So you're like a tree stump.

Ebwop: To clarify a tree stump is a role that once the person claims it they lose all abilities.

[edocsil]

OK to clarify something: Claiming will not get me modkilled, but the subsequent thing that will happen is as good as getting modkilled. Also, I really did lose count, and my internet is lagging badly, how many votes on me right now?

So you're like a tree stump.

Ebwop: To clarify a tree stump is a role that once the person claims it they lose all abilities.

At this point I really don't know what is going on up there....

[slowreactor]

OK to clarify something: Claiming will not get me modkilled, but the subsequent thing that will happen is as good as getting modkilled. Also, I really did lose count, and my internet is lagging badly, how many votes on me right now?

So you're like a tree stump.

Ebwop: To clarify a tree stump is a role that once the person claims it they lose all abilities.

I can neither confirm or deny that in case the mod counts it as a claim.

[drake_259]

OK to clarify something: Claiming will not get me modkilled, but the subsequent thing that will happen is as good as getting modkilled. Also, I really did lose count, and my internet is lagging badly, how many votes on me right now?

So you're like a tree stump.

Ebwop: To clarify a tree stump is a role that once the person claims it they lose all abilities.

I can neither confirm or deny that in case the mod counts it as a claim.

So you couldn't tell if you were roleblocked as you didn't have an active role. sorry i'm failing to see what else you could be that you would be scared to losing that's passive, except knowing who mafia is which so far you would be failing at.

Can you say if its passive or and active ability?

[TheForgivenOne]

My eyes have officially fallen out, but somehow I can still read and type. You can't explain that.

[DoomYoshi]

He still has the ability to vote. that is something he could lose. However, snow, threat tactics don't usually work on town. If you tell someone they will regret voting you, or even boting you, that only makes them more likely to vote you. Being a voteless townie isn't all that much bad either. At this I suggest you claim.

I realize what this entails but I have two reasons. Number one is that a tree stump makes you a confirmed townie. Everyone can rest easy (although you will still have to prove it by showing us you can't vote). Second, you already practically claimed. It would be ethical for you to full claim. Right now you are following the letter of the law, but not the spirit. If everyone knows your role, that counts as a claim in my eyes, even though you didn't say "I'm a tree stump". Skirting around claiming this way defeats the purpose of your role.

For the remainder of the day, I will vote for who you want if you lose your voting. Yu may thin that your role sucks, but town won't be likely to kill you until late game and the mafia will never kill you, so you should be safe for now. Whereas I may not last the night.

I don't always upstand the law, but when I do I reference Ween.

[slowreactor]

He still has the ability to vote. that is something he could lose. However, snow, threat tactics don't usually work on town. If you tell someone they will regret voting you, or even boting you, that only makes them more likely to vote you. Being a voteless townie isn't all that much bad either. At this I suggest you claim.

I realize what this entails but I have two reasons. Number one is that a tree stump makes you a confirmed townie. Everyone can rest easy (although you will still have to prove it by showing us you can't vote). Second, you already practically claimed. It would be ethical for you to full claim. Right now you are following the letter of the law, but not the spirit. If everyone knows your role, that counts as a claim in my eyes, even though you didn't say "I'm a tree stump". Skirting around claiming this way defeats the purpose of your role.

For the remainder of the day, I will vote for who you want if you lose your voting. Yu may thin that your role sucks, but town won't be likely to kill you until late game and the mafia will never kill you, so you should be safe for now. Whereas I may not last the night.

I don't always upstand the law, but when I do I reference Ween.

I need to get to class right now, but there's a couple of comments that I need to make on this when I get back, please hold if possible

Also, I still don't know anyone in that class... it's like everyone avoids me like the plague

[slowreactor]

OK brought my laptop to class so I'll go ahead and start commenting:

He still has the ability to vote. that is something he could lose. However, snow, threat tactics don't usually work on town. If you tell someone they will regret voting you, or even boting you, that only makes them more likely to vote you. Being a voteless townie isn't all that much bad either. At this I suggest you claim.

I realize what this entails but I have two reasons. Number one is that a tree stump makes you a confirmed townie. Everyone can rest easy (although you will still have to prove it by showing us you can't vote).

Now, I will neither confirm or deny this again, but, hypothetically, if what you're saying is true, then I will assume you know enough about this said role that I can start poking holes in your logic.

One: If, hypothetically, I can't vote, I essentially become a free kill for mafia, since you know that when calculating town-mafia ratios for when the game ends, VOTELESS TOWNIES ARE NOT COUNTED TOWARDS TOWN. Thus, it seems that you trying to get me to claim is essentially equivalent to you trying to get a free kill on a townie.

Yu may thin that your role sucks, but town won't be likely to kill you until late game and the mafia will never kill you, so you should be safe for now. Whereas I may not last the night.

Again, hypothetically, why would town even waste a lynch on me? It's the equivalent of saying "no lynch".

Second, you already practically claimed. It would be ethical for you to full claim. Right now you are following the letter of the law, but not the spirit. If everyone knows your role, that counts as a claim in my eyes, even though you didn't say "I'm a tree stump". Skirting around claiming this way defeats the purpose of your role.

Frankly, this is the only point that I see some validity in. If this is ruining the game in any way, people please let me know, and I will officially claim. I don't want my personal strategy ruining the game for everyone else.

[DoomYoshi]

OK brought my laptop to class so I'll go ahead and start commenting:

He still has the ability to vote. that is something he could lose. However, snow, threat tactics don't usually work on town. If you tell someone they will regret voting you, or even boting you, that only makes them more likely to vote you. Being a voteless townie isn't all that much bad either. At this I suggest you claim.

I realize what this entails but I have two reasons. Number one is that a tree stump makes you a confirmed townie. Everyone can rest easy (although you will still have to prove it by showing us you can't vote).

Now, I will neither confirm or deny this again, but, hypothetically, if what you're saying is true, then I will assume you know enough about this said role that I can start poking holes in your logic.

One: If, hypothetically, I can't vote, I essentially become a free kill for mafia, since you know that when calculating town-mafia ratios for when the game ends, VOTELESS TOWNIES ARE NOT COUNTED TOWARDS TOWN. Thus, it seems that you trying to get me to claim is essentially equivalent to you trying to get a free kill on a townie.

I am not trying to get a free kill for mafia. I am trying to get a confirmed townie for us. You are lucky that your role can be proven/disproven all in one day. Without some proof, we can kill you.

Yu may thin that your role sucks, but town won't be likely to kill you until late game and the mafia will never kill you, so you should be safe for now. Whereas I may not last the night.

Again, hypothetically, why would town even waste a lynch on me? It's the equivalent of saying "no lynch".

We might not waste a lynch on you, but a vig with no other targets may kill you since you don't count for mafia and bring the votes required number higher.

Second, you already practically claimed. It would be ethical for you to full claim. Right now you are following the letter of the law, but not the spirit. If everyone knows your role, that counts as a claim in my eyes, even though you didn't say "I'm a tree stump". Skirting around claiming this way defeats the purpose of your role.

Frankly, this is the only point that I see some validity in. If this is ruining the game in any way, people please let me know, and I will officially claim. I don't want my personal strategy ruining the game for everyone else.

It's not ruining the game for me, I just think that if the whole point of your role is that eventually when you do claim, you lose your votes then what is what should eventually happen. Now, I didn't buy the case on you originally, but when you threatened town against voting for you, it sent off a siren in my head. Tree Stump may seem like a terrible role, but if you accept the terrible role you have, and play with it then you will experience the game better than if you play a role that you are not (in this case vanilla townie). Maybe that is only my interpretation of the events, so I understand if there is some terrible disagreement there.

Another example would be overeager vig. I hope I never have to play that role. However, when I do play the role, I am not going to just ask for a replacement or try to get myself killed or anything. I will just play it to the best of my ability. Similarly, if you actually play tree stump, rather than pretending you are not a tree stump, it might be an enlightening experience.

I will admit though, that your strategy was a great one. Unfortunately, I had to come out and explain specifically what you were alluding to because others didn't get it.

I don't always rain on parades, but when I do, I pee on tree stumps.

unvote

[DoomYoshi]

I don't always doublepost, but when I do it counts as a triple post.

Strike, would you be willing to prove your voteless status every day? After Clue I am all paranoid about keeping up with changing status.

[slowreactor]

I see your point, Yoshi, I do want to wait for some more input first before I decide what I need to do, however.

I don't always doublepost, but when I do it counts as a triple post.

Strike, would you be willing to prove your voteless status every day? After Clue I am all paranoid about keeping up with changing status.

What does Strike have to do with anything?

[strike wolf]

vote slow due to doom's request.

the unfortunate part about this situation is that really there's no way to prove his role without him claiming. I personally still think he has been scummy.

[edocsil]

Yeah, I duno. Still leaning for a hanging. Not much benefit from a Stump, it's really a bastard role. I don't know if the risk of keeping him around is really worth any potential gain.

[shieldgenerator7]

Well we have 2 out of 3 lynches to do today, so if slow is our next target, let's just lynch him. But do we have any better targets?

I'm always suspicious of DoomYoshi and Rodion because they seem to be mafia in every game. Not that I have any evidence of them being scum this game (except for Rodion of course who's already dead). Just some meta-gaming here, not that it necessarily applies to this game, but I think they are really good at hiding their scumminess.

Slow, I've never played tree stump before but I have played overeager vig, who happened to also be insane and couldn't kill. Not fun that my only vig role was insane. However, I did get a one-shot vig in Resort Mafia, and I wasted it on the doctor.... yeah sometimes you don't need to be an overeager vig to be an overeager vig.
In a way, you've already claimed tree stump. Do you have a day action, and that's why roleblocking you was redundant? or is it a special voting power? Is it a one-shot? Or did you just claim you got roleblocked so you didn't have to claim your role?
How about this: if you have a night action, start your next post with the letter "A". if you instead have a day action, start your next post with the letter "B". If you have neither, start your next post with the letter "C". If you start your next post with any other letter, it will not infer anything. Let's try this.

*sees a t-rex rampaging in the streets, keeps walking*

-SG7 ( )

[edocsil]

Most mods consider any form of communication like that to be the same as a regular communication.

[slowreactor]

Cmon, it's OK. Let the mods see of it what they will

Most mods consider any form of communication like that to be the same as a regular communication.

Also, do day actions include voting? If yes then this post is null and void >_<

[chapcrap]

Yeah, I duno. Still leaning for a hanging. Not much benefit from a Stump, it's really a bastard role. I don't know if the risk of keeping him around is really worth any potential gain.

Challenge Accepted

Agreed on this. I don't think that we should just buy that he's a tree stump. People have basically claimed for him. Strike said tree stump and Doom ran with it. It seems like he's getting an easy way out and all he said was that we'd regret lynching him. Then he was vague the whole rest of the time.

I completely don't buy this. What gain can we even accomplish by saving a potential tree stump at the risk he could be scum? We still have 2 lynches to complete today and I'm not unvoting for this case unless something drastically changes.

[shieldgenerator7]

So slow, if you're not going to get modkilled or lose any day or night abilities, why do you worry about claiming? Do you lose your ability to vote if you claim? (no, voting does not count as a day ability because in general every player can vote).

Chap, you bring up a good point. Slow does not outright claim tree stump but he hints that he is, maybe because he really is or because he's looking for a fakeclaim. But yes his lynch is just as good as any other target we have right now. If I remember correctly, my vote is still on slow.

*sees a car accident, keeps walking*

-SG7 ( )

[slowreactor]

So slow, if you're not going to get modkilled or lose any day or night abilities, why do you worry about claiming? Do you lose your ability to vote if you claim? (no, voting does not count as a day ability because in general every player can vote).

I can neither assert or deny this, but if you read through the previous posts it should be pretty clear if I do or not.

[TheForgivenOne]

Tree Stump is an odd role, and it is quite an odd role for slow to claim if he is fake claiming. Because it could backfire later, if he is truly forced to claim, and he doesn't lose his voting ability.

It's hard to believe he's fake claiming it, as it really could backfire. Shady characters need to be sunny, yet they can't, as you can't explain that.

[shieldgenerator7]

Tree Stump is an odd role, and it is quite an odd role for slow to claim if he is fake claiming. Because it could backfire later, if he is truly forced to claim, and he doesn't lose his voting ability.

It's hard to believe he's fake claiming it, as it really could backfire. Shady characters need to be sunny, yet they can't, as you can't explain that.

I agree, it would not make a good fakeclaim, although he really let everyone else claim for him, as all he said was he might as well get modkilled if forced to claim, and everyone jumped on from there. He hasn't actually confirmed or denied anything, really, although his refusal to do so rather confirms it. So he could actually be claiming tree stump although it seems like he has also made a mask for himself by letting others do the guessing. Reminds of D1 in Chris Nolan Mafia. And why would the mods make a VT a tree stump? It seems slow has claimed forever alone guy (he didn't get a partner, and other things), but I don't see why forever alone would be a tree stump VT. Perhaps it has to do with game balance, or it could be a fakeclaim.

He he TFO I don't know what's more distracting: you're PR or your avatar. (or my speeling )

*sees pinkie pie turn grey, keeps walking*


-SG7 ( )

[TheForgivenOne]

Tree Stump is an odd role, and it is quite an odd role for slow to claim if he is fake claiming. Because it could backfire later, if he is truly forced to claim, and he doesn't lose his voting ability.

It's hard to believe he's fake claiming it, as it really could backfire. Shady characters need to be sunny, yet they can't, as you can't explain that.

I agree, it would not make a good fakeclaim, although he really let everyone else claim for him, as all he said was he might as well get modkilled if forced to claim, and everyone jumped on from there. He hasn't actually confirmed or denied anything, really, although his refusal to do so rather confirms it. So he could actually be claiming tree stump although it seems like he has also made a mask for himself by letting others do the guessing. Reminds of D1 in Chris Nolan Mafia. And why would the mods make a VT a tree stump? It seems slow has claimed forever alone guy (he didn't get a partner, and other things), but I don't see why forever alone would be a tree stump VT. Perhaps it has to do with game balance, or it could be a fakeclaim.

He he TFO I don't know what's more distracting: you're PR or your avatar. (or my speeling )

*sees pinkie pie turn grey, keeps walking*


-SG7 ( )

Well, if it becomes necessary, we could force him to claim with votes on him. And I could see him being Forever Alone guy as a Tree Stump. I mean, what would be more alone? A nice, big, alive tree that is swaying in the wind? Or some poor Tree Stump that got it's ass chopped down by some sweaty Lumberjack, got mulched down into paper than had the bible printed on him? I mean, you could have picked any book, but you can't explain that.

... Or maybe it was this guy who did the chopping.

[shieldgenerator7]

Tree Stump is an odd role, and it is quite an odd role for slow to claim if he is fake claiming. Because it could backfire later, if he is truly forced to claim, and he doesn't lose his voting ability.

It's hard to believe he's fake claiming it, as it really could backfire. Shady characters need to be sunny, yet they can't, as you can't explain that.

I agree, it would not make a good fakeclaim, although he really let everyone else claim for him, as all he said was he might as well get modkilled if forced to claim, and everyone jumped on from there. He hasn't actually confirmed or denied anything, really, although his refusal to do so rather confirms it. So he could actually be claiming tree stump although it seems like he has also made a mask for himself by letting others do the guessing. Reminds of D1 in Chris Nolan Mafia. And why would the mods make a VT a tree stump? It seems slow has claimed forever alone guy (he didn't get a partner, and other things), but I don't see why forever alone would be a tree stump VT. Perhaps it has to do with game balance, or it could be a fakeclaim.

He he TFO I don't know what's more distracting: you're PR or your avatar. (or my speeling )

*sees pinkie pie turn grey, keeps walking*


-SG7 ( )

Well, if it becomes necessary, we could force him to claim with votes on him. And I could see him being Forever Alone guy as a Tree Stump. I mean, what would be more alone? A nice, big, alive tree that is swaying in the wind? Or some poor Tree Stump that got it's ass chopped down by some sweaty Lumberjack, got mulched down into paper than had the bible printed on him? I mean, you could have picked any book, but you can't explain that.

... Or maybe it was this guy who did the chopping.

Don't be silly TFO, Rainbow Troll would never cut down a tree, however, Trollestia certainly would:

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Also, even though it seems like people are starting to clear him, FoS ckyrias, because isn't it a little suspicious he pops in just when he is starting to be at risk?

So this seems fine so far, he voted cky for lurking... However the whole point of voting inactives is to get them talking. That was achieved, albeit for like one post.

Also, I do think that trying to pressure inactives is not the best use of time. At best, we get them to speak up, and possibly a claim, which is essentially the same as pressure scummy players. At worst, we waste a bandwagon and time getting someone who just doesn't really have time for the game. Wouldn't it be better to try to put pressure on scummier players, especially because of modkills/replacements?

And here he denounces voting inactives... but that's essentially what everyone was doing until cky responded. Which I find interesting because you never voted for him until something a little more concrete came along, i.e. cky was lurking.

Violet don't forget to color your votes

Anyways, looks like ckyrias is lurking again vote ckyrias

IIRC at this point cky was just gone, so easy lynch is easy here.

So at this juncture we have:

• Denounces voting inactives
• In the next breath, piggybacks on others by joining the cky lynch when cky appeared to be lurking

Scumbag steve?

Here's the problem I have with voting Mr. Squirrel:

He said he roleblocked me, and I have no way to refute or prove either way, since I have no night action. HOWEVER, if this was a fakeclaim, would he really take the chance of saying he roleblocked me, and risk me actually having a night action that went through and completely destroying his fakeclaim?

Here, he previously seemed to highlight Squirrel's scumminess but later recanted by defending him. It's worthy to note he never did vote for Squirrel.

And now there's this Tree Stump-esque pseudo-claim as well, which he's deliberately leaving vague. "Don't make me reveal my role, I'll lose my abilities." That's like newb scum tactic 101.

To summarize:

• Waits for others to do the work (vote for inactive) but denounces it.
• When the inactive vote paid off, i.e. cky responded, he jumps on cky for lurking.
• Only voted cky after it appeared he wouldn't show up again.
• Attempts to highlight a player's scumminess, then defends him.
• Runs with another player's suggestion of Tree Stump role, remains intentionally ambiguous.

vote slowreactor

-Tails

[edocsil]

Yeah, imo fake is fake.