puttie33 game 9488700 [BLOCKED] KRK

by **ArendH** on Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:11 pm

Accused:

puttie33
Tibote11

The accused are suspected of:

Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Game number(s):

Game 9488700

Comments: It is obvious, I already foed these guys. Check all the games they played together. They begin fast and right after each other and all of a sudden Tibote11 quits playing and gets kicked out of the game and puttie33 gets the win. Lot's of people lossed this way. Please remove them from CC and remove puttie33 from this game.

by **Bruceswar** on Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:18 pm

Here are a few quick numbers on these 2.

47 completed games, soon to be 48.

44 completed with 3 or more players.

Puttie33 has taken 29 of 44. 66% winner

Tibote11 has won 8 of 44. 18% winner

Together they have a combined 37 of 44 84% winner

Most all of these games are 3 man games. Even if everybody was 100% equal at all times, they would only win 67% of the time. Given that there is also some 4 man games that makes the odds closer to 50% if everybody is equal. I left out the 1 vs 1 games they played. These 2 look really suspect and likely have some form of secret diplomacy. I also think these 2 are real life friends.

by **ArendH** on Sat Aug 06, 2011 4:44 pm

It is allright if these guys are friends in real life but they go to far now. puttie33 can't win so Tibote11 stops playing. He is upgrading puttie33 his account. Pathetic. No fun. My first and last game with these guys but I want to prevent others to have the disadvantage.

by **ArendH** on Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:09 pm

2011-08-06 09:44:10 - Tibote11 missed a turn
2011-08-06 09:44:10 - Tibote11 was kicked out for missing too many turns
2011-08-06 09:44:10 - puttie33 won the game
2011-08-06 09:44:10 - Tibote11 lost 11 points
2011-08-06 09:44:10 - andy.ramsden lost 18 points
2011-08-06 09:44:10 - puttie33 gained 29 points
[load entire log]
Game Chat
2011-08-01 07:24:10 - andy.ramsden: am i playing against the same person, stop cheating and attack each other

by **eddie2** on Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:58 am

looks like multis,

by **Bruceswar** on Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:18 am

eddie2 wrote:looks like multis,

They have been cleared already in C&A of that.

by **IcePack** on Sun Aug 07, 2011 4:17 pm

They both signed up within two minutes of each other, same country. Similiar ident and clearly abusing the games they join.

Maybe not multi but they should be blocked from playing standards with each other.

by **puttie33** on Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:33 am

we are just collegues at work!! the fact that tibote left the game is because he is on holiday and he can not play!
the reason why we play the same game is that it go faster, we don't have to wait 2 days for playing..
and i did not know it's forbidden to play with someone you know

by **ArendH** on Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:41 am

It is not forbidden to play with someone you know. But secret diplomacy is. And you did not know that double teaming on someone is forbidden. Yeah right. Playing goody twoshoes with me.

by **Assassin07** on Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:38 pm

I have look into this i Believe they may know each other in real life be friends ...but are not 100% multis maybe they help each other out but there is no proof of it ...It is concerning that out of 69 games green has played 47 are with red ...and that they did sigh up right after each other , the only thing is red hasnt won all of them and they have been cleared i Think a block from them playing games agianst each other is best ..if they chose to team so be it but something fishy is going on here

by **slowreactor** on Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:28 pm

Bruceswar wrote:
eddie2 wrote:looks like multis,

They have been cleared already in C&A of that.

This. They're obviously not multis, so it looks to me like a case of one guy getting bored of the site and giving the other his/her account to use.

by **puttie33** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:51 am

If we realy are multis, why do we sometimes play one against one and if we realy play together, how is it possible to loose a game against a third player????????? it's not possible to loose 2 against 1. So i hope ArendH stop stalking us. If he can not accept losing a game, he should better go fishing!

by **slowreactor** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:43 pm

puttie33 wrote:If we realy are multis, why do we sometimes play one against one and if we realy play together, how is it possible to loose a game against a third player????????? it's not possible to loose 2 against 1. So i hope ArendH stop stalking us. If he can not accept losing a game, he should better go fishing!

slowreactor wrote:They're obviously not multis, so it looks to me like a case of one guy getting bored of the site and giving the other his/her account to use.

You didn't violate rule #1, but you did violate rule #2. That is, you guys are going into a game with the intention of helping each other out. That is still completely against the rules, and shown by the fact that you two combined have a much, much, higher win percentage than is expected. That's not to say it's impossible for someone else to win, it does happen, but by teaming up you drastically reduce that chance.

by **Dibbun** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:11 pm

Block on them playing with each other would be best.

by **HaireWolf1** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:42 pm

Puttie33 you guys should play private game only with one another when you play in the same game. Whether you intended to or not (I think you did) you all are cheating when you team up on others. You say you're not teaming up so only play private games when playing with your "co-workers." A block would force you to play by the rules and would be ideal.

by **jefjef** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:48 pm

slowreactor wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
eddie2 wrote:looks like multis,

They have been cleared already in C&A of that.

This. They're obviously not multis, so it looks to me like a case of one guy getting bored of the site and giving the other his/her account to use.

Well there are several instances where some accounts didn't appear to be multi and then later getting busted.. storminorman and markmcdaddy is a great example. I watched and then eticketed them and at 1st kinga cleared them. Then a week later I noticed that they did get busted. Sometimes it just takes the hunters a while and a second look.

by **DJPatrick** on Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:57 am

JefJef...what have you added...NOTHING...why does this not suprise 99% of the population here...If you want to be a multi-hunter rather than just snipeing at them then put your hand up...who knows: they may be desperate...in the meantime...nothing to contribute plese leave it alone...it's getting OLD and Stale,,,the hunters ruled on it already ...just accept it...

by **jefjef** on Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:26 am

DJPatrick wrote:JefJef...what have you added...NOTHING...why does this not suprise 99% of the population here...If you want to be a multi-hunter rather than just snipeing at them then put your hand up...who knows: they may be desperate...in the meantime...nothing to contribute plese leave it alone...it's getting OLD and Stale,,,the hunters ruled on it already ...just accept it...

I was 100% on topic. My post was in no way a jab at the hunters. I work with them and they do a fine job. Just pointing out they are likely being looked at again. The accounts I mentioned obviously were still being looked at even after it had been decided they were clear.

Now if you want to see a perfect example of stale, useless, off topic bait posting just read your drivel. This thread is not about me and your personal attacks are NOT wanted or needed here. Now go troll someone else...

by **slowreactor** on Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:57 am

Jefjef does make a point... anyways, back on topic -

The more likely scenario here could be that they were friends who both joined up, but 1 person got bored and gave his account to the other. I don't know if he/she/they will be busted as a multi that way or account sharing/secret diplomacy, but either way it should be at least a #2 infraction.

by **Karl_R_Kroenen** on Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:07 pm

First off, I apologize for the delay on ruling, life does get in the way.

With the game in question, GREEN (Tibote11) was clearly strongest as of round 12 then poof! Gone and still is gone from CC.
In this three player game, all players were attacking everyone, there wasn't any advantage that I saw.

Tibote11and puttie33have been BLOCKED and NOTED.
Accused of SD is CLEARED