*Snowman* - Systematic farming of NR's[cleared/noted]

[basic_man2010_20]

okay so dibbun he said he intied 6ish 3 of wich he knows was ranked he did not say he invited 3 non ranked players but the exact opposite.. its easy to play so many games and not remember how many ranked ones are invited or matter of fact wich on es you did invite.

so in this he said he invited 6 3 he knows for a fact was ranked what if he cant remember who the other 3 was so he cant say if they was ranked or not?? you say he invited NR's but yet you dont have a screen shot for proof.... unless there is a way for the mods to go back through the invite logs or somethign then there iw absolutly NO PROOF that he invited NR's

[eddie2]

where have i been i totally missed all of this. where do we begin. ok op's opening post, fair enough post but one thing that is misleading is that the maps are not complex maps as stated. plus there are no screen shots to prove invites as mentioned and no proof that it was snowman inviting to games. (these are needed as many a time c and a mods have stated they need them.and cant go on the word of the op or accussed)

then we move onto snowmans statement he admits inviting players but does not state who. also stating that it was players that had joined his other games that is fair enough what you have to look at is

1)how long where the games waiting for players ???
2) if he didnt send invites would these games of been timed out ?????

also he states he is chasing cross map and other medals freestyle etc. there has been a precident set in most cases where players are medal chasing they don't get a noted or warned for it.

then it goes into a bit of a flame bait war with the usual suspects at present main culprit is dibbum.
i then see king a's post

This is cleared. He uses different maps from time to time and they are also not complicated maps. However, to avoid future suspicions on you (*Snowman*), make more 6 - 8 player games as it seems you restricted yourself to only 5 - below player games which is where new recruits may be able to join.

this is how they usually deal with things like this when they first appear in the c and a. and i am pleasently surprised king a has stuck to his guns and treated this case the same as they have many others. and i am sure that if snowman continues doing this after king a's polite words, there will be a warning coming up. now we get down to what happens after this. 2 players start going off about it.

dibbum
i do not belive this is your first account and do think you are kingburger who has maybe moved house or something. you are showing to much for someone only on site 2 months. but you do need to look back at previous cases like this and you will find king a's result runs in line with similar ones on a first occasion.
then we have

jefjef
do i need to say anymore no i don't but i will. You have proved many a time that you don't look at previous cases and things to see what the usual outcome is. And are doing the same as usual you havn't got what you think should happen so are throwing your dummy out of the pram like we all now you do often.

you have all been warned by masli to foe and move on but you 2 are continually ignoring what masli has stated to you. snowman has every right to comment back as you are aiming your comments towards him. just stop c and a has become a real joke of late.

[jefjef]

We will take another look at this case and ad10r3tr0, he did invite NR's.He admitted that in this topic and I've seen that he did that.

For those that just can't seem to read. This is Masli's post. (masli is also a C&A mod if you didn't know)

Now for those that can't seem to resist attacking/baiting me. This complaint is not in re of me. Go TROLL someone else before you get a deserved vacation.

[eddie2]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=121755&hilit=farming+cleared
comments from mods.

Is he playing entirely new recruits. ie dropping the games when decent players rock up.

this one is funny jef

b00060 is cleared of farming. His intention was not to play new recruits. A great variety of ranks are playing these games and b00060 is not dropping the games when someone decent comes along and plays. Its also not the only variety of game he plays. All of this to me I believe its not his intention to farm newbies.

Very fair and unbiased ruling!

If he is a jedi, then he can easily contact the weakminded, make them join his games, control the combat intensity levels, and make his opponents make irrational moves. Are there any evidence where he used his jedi mind tricks, that is, if he is indeed a jedi in the first place?

If found to be a jedi and guilty of the charges, you will be subjected to the jedi council and stripped off any jedi powers and light sabers you may have. The force will no longer be with you and you will be damned to only play as the pink player.

Going back to the report, the games provided here are played on the Classic map, which is not a complex map, and is actually one of the maps, if not the only map, that is being used by the Society of Cooks for teaching and mentoring new recruits. The settings he used, well, are his choices. Another thing is that based from these games mentioned, obliterationX is the one who created these games.

So, next to this is if he actually invited many of these new recruits to play his games, which would suspiciously point to targeting them.

As what AAFitz said:

If the invites were sent out, to become instantly available to new recruits, and the reason for the original invites was to attract said new recruits...which is very possible, then it is targeting new recruits. I think to prove this, a great number of examples would have to be given, showing he knew by doing this, that those new recruits would join. If he continued after one batch, and set up another, than he did in fact know what would happen, and therefore targeted them.

If you do something once, or many times and new recruits join en masse...then doing it again is targeting them, and expressly against the anti-farming rule and gross abuse of game rule.

It is the repeated activities that end up with new recruits in the game that are against the rules. That is targeting them.

- still pending.

how many batchs of games where there.

i could post more all his games wernt exclusive new recruits he was only inviting players that were already in his games.

[eddie2]

then also the 3 games mentioned where invites were sent where is the proof it was him there were others in them games that could of sent the invite.

[Dibbun]

then also the 3 games mentioned where invites were sent where is the proof it was him there were others in them games that could of sent the invite.

Honestly I'm not trying to be rude but stfu about the invite issue - I saw it, he admitted it, mod saw it, he admitted it again. Invites were sent by him to NR's, deal with it.

[eddie2]

then also the 3 games mentioned where invites were sent where is the proof it was him there were others in them games that could of sent the invite.

Honestly I'm not trying to be rude but stfu about the invite issue - I saw it, he admitted it, mod saw it, he admitted it again. Invites were sent by him to NR's, deal with it.

plz show me the post where he specifically says i invited new recruits. i must of missed it. i see him saying he invited players but did not see nr in the same sentence.

[Dibbun]

In his first reply to the thread, all the way near the end of his statement.

As to the invite issue, yes some invites were sent (about half a dozen) to people that had already joined one or more of my games. This was because I want to get on and existing members only seem interested in their own game settings and maps.

Check the rest of the thread for where Masli says he saw the invites too.

[eddie2]

In his first reply to the thread, all the way near the end of his statement.

As to the invite issue, yes some invites were sent (about half a dozen) to people that had already joined one or more of my games. This was because I want to get on and existing members only seem interested in their own game settings and maps.

Check the rest of the thread for where Masli says he saw the invites too.

he seen invites he did not see who invited. in the games you mentioned he could of invited one of the rank players and they invite the new recruits. snowman could very well be guilty but you cannot say them invites came from him. it could of been anybody else in the game. hence king a only having a polite word. if it comes up again he might act differently.

[Dibbun]

That theory has been brought up multiple times already and refuted multiple times, read the thread then post please.

[eddie2]

That theory has been brought up multiple times already and refuted multiple times, read the thread then post please.

i have read and also read other cases this is the usual first report response that king a posted farming is a major infraction that could get a paying customer banned from site they need undisputible proof this has happened and that is not here.

[demonfork]

then also the 3 games mentioned where invites were sent where is the proof it was him there were others in them games that could of sent the invite.

Honestly I'm not trying to be rude but stfu about the invite issue - I saw it, he admitted it, mod saw it, he admitted it again. Invites were sent by him to NR's, deal with it.

So what! It's not against the rules to invite new recruits to our games. We are allowed to play with MANY new recruits, we are allowed to invite MANY new recruits to games. The problem occurs when its systematic and exclusive, like what Maxatstuy did where he exclusively targeted new recruits.

Get over yourself Jizzbbun....why are you obsessing over the fact that he invited a few new recruits to his games from time to time? Why do you believe that it's not ok to play games with MANY new recruits?

[natty dread]

This thing is a complete joke. Jefjef junior (yes, I'm talking about Dibbun) who doesn't even know how CC rules and customs work is going on a private crusade against a member for arbitrary reasons and the site workers seem to be encouraging this behaviour. The C&A should not be for things like this.

If the case still needs investigation, just lock the thread like you've done in previous cases. This is getting painful to watch.

[Dibbun]

Discussion in this thread would be far more constructive if people would read prior to posting.

Yes, farming is against the rules.

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

In lackattack's statement on farming (I quoted it in an earlier post, read the whole thread ftw) it does mention difficult settings, it mentions invites, and it mentions creating a large number of games.

I stand by my accusation, I feel it is completely justified in order to maintain the integrity of the scoreboard and to prevent predators from chasing off New Recruits by systematically luring them into games they have no chance to win.

[ad10r3tr0]

For the love of God dipshit, would you please shut the HELL up! You have so much sand in your vagina you're making the erosion of beaches even a bigger problem. You have provided your shitty evidence which is none, so shut the f*ck up and wait for the re-ruling, which will be cleared again! my God, you're an annoying little prick!

[eddie2]

Discussion in this thread would be far more constructive if people would read prior to posting.

Yes, farming is against the rules.

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits.

In lackattack's statement on farming (I quoted it in an earlier post, read the whole thread ftw) it does mention difficult settings, it mentions invites, and it mentions creating a large number of games.

I stand by my accusation, I feel it is completely justified in order to maintain the integrity of the scoreboard and to prevent predators from chasing off New Recruits by systematically luring them into games they have no chance to win.

you really do not get the concept of what is being done by snowman. do you lets put it in easy concept for you. and the faults in what he is doing.

1)snowman is chasing cross map medal.
maps being used are not known to him.

2)snowman is chasing manual medal.
sorry but new recruits have a tendancy to suicide into your big stacks so there is no advantage of inviting to these.

3) snowman is chasing freestyle medal
linked with the above setting he does not know if he would be availible for the opening shot.

put all of this together it is against everything that farmers are not

farmers use setting on maps that they are very good at these maps are usually conquest maps or maps with a objective. starting on the first map ojn the list and working through them is not farming.

[Dibbun]

I love repeating myself over and over again to people who refuse to read.

I quoted lackattack's thread on farming: viewtopic.php?f=634&t=73745

Where he says:

New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby lackattack on Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:07 pm
"Newbie Farming" is the technique of setting up as many games as possible (either by starting or joining them) with New Recruits to gain easy points by taking advantage of difficult game options and the fact the New Recruits are more likely to deadbeat. Some players have been farming extensively - even sending hundreds of PMs to the latest members to get them into their games.

This is a gross abuse of the game. It gives the New Recruit "victims" a poor first experience and reduces the chances of them sticking around. As farmers move up the scoreboard it also harms the competitive nature of Conquer Club - the scoreboard is meant to measure skill in the game, not "harvesting" techniques.

In accordance with the desires and feedback of the majority of the community, our rules and as a new leaf for 2009, it is our New Years resolution to make Newbie Farming forbidden. Members who continue this practice will receive point resets and then progressively longer website bans.

This does not mean you will get in trouble for joining a game here and there with many new recruits. We are only talking about the systematic targeting of new recruits.

I'm not a freestyle expert by any stretch of the imagination, but best believe I would kick any NR's ass at it because they're inexperienced. I would also have a massive advantage in a manual deployment game too. Hence why this practice is banned.

[eddie2]

read what you just highlighted taking advantage of difficult settings. he is not taking advantage of them because he is medal chasing with maps he does not know himself.

[Dibbun]

He's a goddamn Major and you're telling me he can't very easily beat a group of NR's on any map with freestyle/manual? Go check his win count with NR's. As others keep arguing, they're not "complex maps" so not sure why a Major can hide behind any kind of ignorance excuse.

[eddie2]

who gives a shit what rank he is that does not even come into it. facts of the case just do not prove that he is farming he is not using the technique for farming.

farming is a mixture of settings on hard maps where the new recruits have no chance of winning this lot of games and settings are luck based settings for the maps he is using. you really do not see that king a was totally correct with his judgement. I really do feel sorry for you.

ps. if you really do feel that bad about this then go open up a sug asking for the rules to be changed.

[Dibbun]

You do realize this case has been reopened, right? Nah of course not, because you haven't read this thread.

[eddie2]

yes it has been reopened to shut you up. and if they come back with any form of guilty verdict, what will be the overall outcome of it. Players wont be able to play basic maps with there preference of settings. or there will be a outcry demanding that new recruits are not allowed to play freestyle (ow wait this has happened loads of times and have always been rejected in sugs.)

what do we do then just ban new recruits period i am against farming but when it is the settings above on the maps. along with the fact if new recruits dont join he does not drop them. It does not add up to a farmer.

[Dibbun]

yes it has been reopened to shut you up. and if they come back with any form of guilty verdict, what will be the overall outcome of it. Players wont be able to play basic maps with there preference of settings. or there will be a outcry demanding that new recruits are not allowed to play freestyle (ow wait this has happened loads of times and have always been rejected in sugs.)

what do we do then just ban new recruits period i am against farming but when it is the settings above on the maps. along with the fact if new recruits dont join he does not drop them. It does not add up to a farmer.

So basically what you're saying is there was no intent to farm.

1. viewtopic.php?p=3267407#p3267407

Dibbun thanks again for your incredible insight. If you read my post it explains that I have not played in any of these maps before. Therefore I am a newbie. If I play a general who loves a particular map it will be over before it has started and I will learn nothing. I do not really understand why you care. Just play your own games and enjoy. Also your facts are as usually completely flawed. game 9416032 is a ranker not a ? and can you please prove that I sent invites after another member has joined the game. We are taking about 6ish in 1,600 games. Also you are obsessed with rank/medals etc. Please understand playing these new recruits has its pitfalls. Playing a player who plays as you do is far easier (Once you know the rules). In a real world community there are rules stopping people like you causing concern and upset. I feel upset and quite frankly can not understand why you feel it is your place to make these judgements on people. You were foed not because of a game we played but because you are bad news.

2. Invites went out to NR's.

So:

1. He was not interested in real competition. He did not want to play ranked players on those maps and used an illogical fashion in pursuit his crossmap (statistically easier to beat 5 opponents once than 4 opponents twice unless you know damn well that NR's can't join 6+ player games)

2. He wanted NR's in his games, hence why there were invites.

You ask me why I keep posting - maybe because you keep making points that have been addressed pages ago.

[*Snowman*]

Dibbun I have so far lost hundreds of point playing these new maps. I am sure you will now say I am point dumping lol. I have been as honest as I can be. My objective was primarily to learn new maps. My objective was primarily to learn new maps.
I said that twice as Dibbun finds it hard to understand.
Manual deployment is actually crap because it allows the inexperienced player an advantage. It takes at least three turns without manual to organise your troops in any meaningful way. So it is an advantage more to the inexperience player. Also unless I sit on the computer night and day freestyle can also help the inexperienced player. My prefered settings are actually sequentual and normal deployment.
I said I was trying for new medals. New medals New medals. Got it?
You called me a liar in previous threads concerning the number of maps I had played and took great delight in finding a couple of occasions I had played other maps. As of last night I had played 1,711 games. 1,611 games of those on five maps, On five maps, On five maps.
Classic = 977, Cyprus = 133, Doodle = 330, and Luxemburg 221, Brazil = 10. I opened new maps last Saturday. I may have had the odd experiment in a year with cc but to any reasonable, reasonable, resonable person saying I play on five maps would be acceptable don't you think?
Now I may be a simple soul, if my intention was to 'Farm' I would do it on the maps I enjoy and are good at, not ones I have never played and on settings that I am not.
Now off the subject I found it hard to understand why with no new evidence to support your case you felt it necessary to continue with your character assasination of me after you made your original accusation. I have fallen out with two members during my time withh cc both of which have now been banned. One such member bein called Kripplez. This name was banned along with Kingburger.
I ask you do you have any association with these guys or are you just being vindictive?

[eddie2]

rofl go for it snowman this brings more to light my thought he is kingburger.