[UNKNOWN] Mafia Day 5 - The Disappearance [Abandoned]

[gimli1990]

i know i am a rookie i am trying to figure out this set up. excuse me for getting confused and saying so.

[got tonkaed]

I have been cleared by our dead detective/Edoc. Thanks!

feel free to move your vote over to fircoal at any time.

[strike wolf]

While I do agree that the innocent result is a strong indicator for trusting you gt, you have more than enough experience to know that it isn't a universal get out of jail free card. Either way I have no intention of voting you right now and I think there are more important issues to address.

@your nag argument: nag was mostly inactive in his games for a while to the point where he did drop out of at least one of them. So the fact he has become a bit more active as his schedule's cleared up I'm not considering a scum tell.

@fircoal: he was pretty quiet before his big analysis post day 2 and since day 2 ended has slipped back into the shadows a bit but I think he is more active than you give him credit for.

you know Got Tonka'd even though i had nothing to add just a couple of days ago i do now.

just to be sure firstUnvote
Vote Got tonka

reason's being.

A. you have accused 3 different of random stuff in the last 3 pages.
B. and now you are going after fircaol with some stuff.
c. you then say you are willing to hear more from other replacements but leave your vote on me at that point
d. you come out attacking me for trying to stay active. grant it i posted nothing useful but i still did.

and i FOS at iilad he basically votes me and then says it is because i added nothing. did he add anything??

This seems OMGus to me. Especially considering you haven't had anything to add to any discussions before this. You tend to react aggressively against those that look your way but haven't crossed many barriers looking into others.

[got tonkaed]

Here are my notes on Fircoal, from day 2 on. Each / indicates a different post or a different train of thought within posts. They are merely summaries, but this would be what I feel I have seen from his activity.

Day 2
Fircoal –FOS everyone trying to stop Rodian/not worried about loss of bleed/says he will post/accused bleed backtracking/argues saf was misdirecting/rodian defense/Pikachu/ role?/accused strike safari and violet (cop/doc/mason)/sides with Rodian over strike

Also was not on the Rodian lynch.

Day 3
Fircoal –backs off strike-safari but suspicious/vio-doom tunnel vision freezie/thinks wolves vamps not a threat –wants lynch scum (who?)

Was not on the freezie lynch

Day 4
Fircoal –not think many baddies left

I havent included his vote on my yet, as I have not fully updated my original notes.

He didn't vote Rodian, and sided with him against strike saf. In his defense he didnt vote freezie either, but it would seem possible that he may be a vampire.

[shieldgenerator7]

I'm on page 78 in reading. I need to catch up before I add to the discussion. So far i gather we have no doctor. This means no town power roles should claim, or it could be bad.

[got tonkaed]

can we get a prod if people aren't posting tomorrow, it seems like there is a lull in activity again.

[strike wolf]

Most of this was made day 2 and I just never got around to posting it so at this point some of this might be a bit out dated but I did try to go back through and edit where it needed to be.

Bleed:

I am just going to Unvote at this time to hear what CK has to say... still really suspicious of Shield though.... I am thinking he might be hiding underneath the N00b title to pull one over on us

Only non-joke vote post of day 1. Though he has given what appears to be a legitimate reason for absense.

The Rodion argument was also interesting (yes I know he was scum but some things about his argument still hold true) it is not 100% fool proof but it does seem to show that Bleed did lie about what he knew of the game.

Now for Rodion vs Bleed:

I find Rodion's way of thought to my liking, but one part of his post is bugging me:

I had, however, the feeling that there wouldn't be a third Romeo and Juliet character, unless he had an alignment other than town.

Where did you dig up such info? We don't know if Juliet is scum or not, she isn't dead ( yet ). How would a scum character from Romeo and juliet be so improbable? It's a little early to make such speculations.

You misunderstood me. I'm not saying a scum character from Romeo and Juliet is improbable. I actually said just the opposite. I said that I could only see a 3rd Romeo and Juliet character if that 3rd character was not pro-town.
I guessed (pure speculation) that we had either:
a) Romeo town, Juliet town, 3rd character anti-town
b) Romeo town, Juliet mafia, 3rd character not-town
c) Romeo town, Juliet whatever, no more characters from this book/play

I considered the possibility of Bleed being a pro-town Romeo and Juliet character close to inexistent (but still possible, that's why I made him the question instead of instantly presenting a case on him), so I decided to question him and likely get an answer that I considered scummy, which is exactly what happened.

I am not sure how me telling you that my character was not a part of Romeo & Juliet made me scummy, I did not hide from your question. The only real fact that you have against me is that I was unable to determine the scope of the game like you were. This is easily done for your vast experience to the game and me just learning.

Playing the newbie card?

I asked this because depending on how this will be conducted it is possible that I waste my power AND get no credibility (people could think I fakeclaimed but got lucky), so it's possible that a 100% chance of a lynch is actually more desirable than a 50/50.

I still don't like this idea at all and you have been trying to crucify me from the beginning.

VOTE Rodion

Jumping on towards very end of wagon. Your opinion of rodion seems to jump around a lot from it being him just scum hunting and the case against you being a misunderstanding and him attempting to crucify you. The two ideas seeming a bit exclusive.

I asked this because depending on how this will be conducted it is possible that I waste my power AND get no credibility (people could think I fakeclaimed but got lucky), so it's possible that a 100% chance of a lynch is actually more desirable than a 50/50.

I still don't like this idea at all and you have been trying to crucify me from the beginning.

VOTE Rodion

I'd like to note this as a pathetic way to find an excuse to vote him again.

Note all you want but I would like to you to find where I even voted him the first time? It never happened because like I said I below which came from page 59.. But I do what Rodion has requested, I do believe that he is town and this will clear him.

the case on Rodion, I still do not by it especially for a lynch to see if his powers are true. The reason for this is he pointed out 2 key things that will result in his death, 1st if we lynch him he will blow the horn and ultimately save his lynch (but as the literature goes it was to late and he dies anyways) so there is a 50/50 chance that he will live. If he lives then he still holds the role as a mason, this has now given the mafia role that they may want to use there NK on.

So now you think he is town again and you're just testing the claim? That doesn't appear to be the reason you voted him...

TSL, you haven't really been very active here. Your only two points of activity are when you claimed with no provocation and then started rolefishing. Do I smell a possible Jester?

no. I have already claimed if you look.

I am Pikachu, Vanilla Townie.

I am reading but still can't get my head around the setup of this game...

I am having a huge issue with the way you are playing this game. And I believe that you are using Pikachu and the Pokemon to deter away from the actual game.

When going back and reading all of your posts, everything prior to page 22 was normal posting without any reference to pokemon or pikachu, but on pg 22 which was already D2 you brought him to light.

So it looks like three things. Three Night Kills.

Night Kill 1- Directed at Godfrey but some sort of bodyguard perhaps?
Night Kill 2- Directed at the Bodyguard, he died.
Night Kill 3- directed at the shadow, but the shadow was un nkable. (So we have to lynch him.)

This is not your usual mafia. pika is it chu?

They out of know where you claimed to break up the Shakesperian theme game but it was already decide quite a long time back that the them was vast with a whole bunch of elements and characters brought into the mix, as well at that time there were no discussions about Shakespeare (you were either skimming substantially or diverting_

I would just like to put a spanner in the shakespearian works here.

I am Pikachu... This could almost be a fircoal game.

Pg 41

Then on Pg 46 just out of no where you posted

Pika Pika

no indication why but seems very weird.

On page 63 you now are trying to see if any other pokemon are out there

I also have to ask are there any more pokemon out there?

This is a blantant attempt to either fish for other characters or divert from the game

No. But I can see how knights templars, vampires and werewolfs, and pokemon fit in the same mafia game.

pg 64

TheSaxlad wrote:

DoomYoshi wrote:TSL, you haven't really been very active here. Your only two points of activity are when you claimed with no provocation and then started rolefishing. Do I smell a possible Jester?



no. I have already claimed if you look.

I am Pikachu, Vanilla Townie.

I am reading but still can't get my head around the setup of this game...

You have been given no pressure but you still seem to give out a lot of information for no apparent reason. Why are you giving out this information?


TheSaxlad for diverting and skimming

I don't actually have anything against the logic itself but I do find the timing of it a bit suspect (there wasn't really a bandwagon against him but posting pattern was clearly shifting against him) and the aforementioned reasoning about trying to get a quick day against the people on this case.

No Jester. And actually I invite you to lynch me as it may prove to you that this can happen.

I almost feel like colton and the fptslboia incident.

What is that you are actually trying to prove right now? As well Rodion just tried the same attempt on D2 giving himself up for a lynch and he turned out to be scum.

wow bleed that seems like a really week case when i read it i thought what your voting for what again? a bad joke?

Target, I voted for him for skimming and I feel a blatant attempt to divert the town from actually trying to uncover anything. If you look at his post there is nothing of substance.

It obviously would not make a whole lot of sense to lynch saxlad. He would pretty much have to be a jester from his behavior. Jesters are not really a very big concern considering all of the things we should be looking out for.

I would be more inclined to see if we cannot figure out who might be the last vampire if there is one or who the new leader of the werewolves is. And obviously we are still missing a shadow, so perhaps players who have been lying low are a better use of our efforts than sax.

He is stating that he is not a Jester. I am not against pressuring the inactives right now. The is one that stands out in my mind and that is Shaggy. His last 3 post were just to state that he has nothing to add, as well that he had finals which schools in more important but he stated that they were finished on the 15th and once completed he would be more active and I have yet to see that. I have also provided a list of people still in so we do not always have to jump to the first page:

1. safariguy5
2. freezie
3. talapus
4. ndrs
5. Edocsil
6. vioiet
7. targetman377
8. TheSaxlad
9. Iliad
10. DoomYoshi
11. gimli1990
12. blakebowling
13. jeraado
14. Got tonkaed
15. ShaggyDan
16. nagerous
17. Strike Wolf
18. Fircoal

Honestly, I feel like I've already said this but no one is going to out right say they are a jester, unless maybe they are a reverse jester and looking for town to NK them but that's wifom. So it's sax or an inactive and nothing in between. there were still some cases for day 3 I don't see why defaulting to an inactive would be your stance unless you don't want to try making too many actual stances in the game and watch it come back to bite you in the arse.

No I definitely am going to give him some more time since it is only the 17th, but just stating that for submarining he is one of the guys that is on the top of my list. Just trying to see who else is on the towns radar for this...

Now that the sax wagon is losing steam are you already looking for the next popular bandwagon to jump on? It would save you the trouble of committing to your own ideas and keep you below the radar...

based on how well Rodin faked claimed i could total see this as an option and could be vampire,scum or anything anti town.

If I was scum in any way why would Rodion be pursuing me so hard to have me lynched if I was apart of his fraction?

based on how well Rodin faked claimed i could total see this as an option and could be vampire,scum or anything anti town.

If I was scum in any way why would Rodion be pursuing me so hard to have me lynched if I was apart of his fraction?

Flawed logic is flawed. Wifom logic is WIFOM. We've been over the multiple scum factions argument before so the fact you may not be aligned with rodion directly does not disprove you are scum. i think I've already stated a wifomy rebuttal to that wifom statement about why he might have gone after you if you had been in the same faction.

[strike wolf]

Most of this was made day 2 and I just never got around to posting it so at this point some of this might be a bit out dated but I did try to go back through and edit where it needed to be.

Bleed:

I am just going to Unvote at this time to hear what CK has to say... still really suspicious of Shield though.... I am thinking he might be hiding underneath the N00b title to pull one over on us

Only non-joke vote post of day 1. Though he has given what appears to be a legitimate reason for absense.

The Rodion argument was also interesting (yes I know he was scum but some things about his argument still hold true) it is not 100% fool proof but it does seem to show that Bleed did lie about what he knew of the game.

Now for Rodion vs Bleed:

I find Rodion's way of thought to my liking, but one part of his post is bugging me:

I had, however, the feeling that there wouldn't be a third Romeo and Juliet character, unless he had an alignment other than town.

Where did you dig up such info? We don't know if Juliet is scum or not, she isn't dead ( yet ). How would a scum character from Romeo and juliet be so improbable? It's a little early to make such speculations.

You misunderstood me. I'm not saying a scum character from Romeo and Juliet is improbable. I actually said just the opposite. I said that I could only see a 3rd Romeo and Juliet character if that 3rd character was not pro-town.
I guessed (pure speculation) that we had either:
a) Romeo town, Juliet town, 3rd character anti-town
b) Romeo town, Juliet mafia, 3rd character not-town
c) Romeo town, Juliet whatever, no more characters from this book/play

I considered the possibility of Bleed being a pro-town Romeo and Juliet character close to inexistent (but still possible, that's why I made him the question instead of instantly presenting a case on him), so I decided to question him and likely get an answer that I considered scummy, which is exactly what happened.

I am not sure how me telling you that my character was not a part of Romeo & Juliet made me scummy, I did not hide from your question. The only real fact that you have against me is that I was unable to determine the scope of the game like you were. This is easily done for your vast experience to the game and me just learning.

Playing the newbie card?

I asked this because depending on how this will be conducted it is possible that I waste my power AND get no credibility (people could think I fakeclaimed but got lucky), so it's possible that a 100% chance of a lynch is actually more desirable than a 50/50.

I still don't like this idea at all and you have been trying to crucify me from the beginning.

VOTE Rodion

Jumping on towards very end of wagon. Your opinion of rodion seems to jump around a lot from it being him just scum hunting and the case against you being a misunderstanding and him attempting to crucify you. The two ideas seeming a bit exclusive.

I asked this because depending on how this will be conducted it is possible that I waste my power AND get no credibility (people could think I fakeclaimed but got lucky), so it's possible that a 100% chance of a lynch is actually more desirable than a 50/50.

I still don't like this idea at all and you have been trying to crucify me from the beginning.

VOTE Rodion

I'd like to note this as a pathetic way to find an excuse to vote him again.

Note all you want but I would like to you to find where I even voted him the first time? It never happened because like I said I below which came from page 59.. But I do what Rodion has requested, I do believe that he is town and this will clear him.

the case on Rodion, I still do not by it especially for a lynch to see if his powers are true. The reason for this is he pointed out 2 key things that will result in his death, 1st if we lynch him he will blow the horn and ultimately save his lynch (but as the literature goes it was to late and he dies anyways) so there is a 50/50 chance that he will live. If he lives then he still holds the role as a mason, this has now given the mafia role that they may want to use there NK on.

So now you think he is town again and you're just testing the claim? That doesn't appear to be the reason you voted him...

TSL, you haven't really been very active here. Your only two points of activity are when you claimed with no provocation and then started rolefishing. Do I smell a possible Jester?

no. I have already claimed if you look.

I am Pikachu, Vanilla Townie.

I am reading but still can't get my head around the setup of this game...

I am having a huge issue with the way you are playing this game. And I believe that you are using Pikachu and the Pokemon to deter away from the actual game.

When going back and reading all of your posts, everything prior to page 22 was normal posting without any reference to pokemon or pikachu, but on pg 22 which was already D2 you brought him to light.

So it looks like three things. Three Night Kills.

Night Kill 1- Directed at Godfrey but some sort of bodyguard perhaps?
Night Kill 2- Directed at the Bodyguard, he died.
Night Kill 3- directed at the shadow, but the shadow was un nkable. (So we have to lynch him.)

This is not your usual mafia. pika is it chu?

They out of know where you claimed to break up the Shakesperian theme game but it was already decide quite a long time back that the them was vast with a whole bunch of elements and characters brought into the mix, as well at that time there were no discussions about Shakespeare (you were either skimming substantially or diverting_

I would just like to put a spanner in the shakespearian works here.

I am Pikachu... This could almost be a fircoal game.

Pg 41

Then on Pg 46 just out of no where you posted

Pika Pika

no indication why but seems very weird.

On page 63 you now are trying to see if any other pokemon are out there

I also have to ask are there any more pokemon out there?

This is a blantant attempt to either fish for other characters or divert from the game

No. But I can see how knights templars, vampires and werewolfs, and pokemon fit in the same mafia game.

pg 64

TheSaxlad wrote:

DoomYoshi wrote:TSL, you haven't really been very active here. Your only two points of activity are when you claimed with no provocation and then started rolefishing. Do I smell a possible Jester?



no. I have already claimed if you look.

I am Pikachu, Vanilla Townie.

I am reading but still can't get my head around the setup of this game...

You have been given no pressure but you still seem to give out a lot of information for no apparent reason. Why are you giving out this information?


TheSaxlad for diverting and skimming

I don't actually have anything against the logic itself but I do find the timing of it a bit suspect (there wasn't really a bandwagon against him but posting pattern was clearly shifting against him) and the aforementioned reasoning about trying to get a quick day against the people on this case.

No Jester. And actually I invite you to lynch me as it may prove to you that this can happen.

I almost feel like colton and the fptslboia incident.

What is that you are actually trying to prove right now? As well Rodion just tried the same attempt on D2 giving himself up for a lynch and he turned out to be scum.

wow bleed that seems like a really week case when i read it i thought what your voting for what again? a bad joke?

Target, I voted for him for skimming and I feel a blatant attempt to divert the town from actually trying to uncover anything. If you look at his post there is nothing of substance.

It obviously would not make a whole lot of sense to lynch saxlad. He would pretty much have to be a jester from his behavior. Jesters are not really a very big concern considering all of the things we should be looking out for.

I would be more inclined to see if we cannot figure out who might be the last vampire if there is one or who the new leader of the werewolves is. And obviously we are still missing a shadow, so perhaps players who have been lying low are a better use of our efforts than sax.

He is stating that he is not a Jester. I am not against pressuring the inactives right now. The is one that stands out in my mind and that is Shaggy. His last 3 post were just to state that he has nothing to add, as well that he had finals which schools in more important but he stated that they were finished on the 15th and once completed he would be more active and I have yet to see that. I have also provided a list of people still in so we do not always have to jump to the first page:

1. safariguy5
2. freezie
3. talapus
4. ndrs
5. Edocsil
6. vioiet
7. targetman377
8. TheSaxlad
9. Iliad
10. DoomYoshi
11. gimli1990
12. blakebowling
13. jeraado
14. Got tonkaed
15. ShaggyDan
16. nagerous
17. Strike Wolf
18. Fircoal

Honestly, I feel like I've already said this but no one is going to out right say they are a jester, unless maybe they are a reverse jester and looking for town to NK them but that's wifom. So it's sax or an inactive and nothing in between. there were still some cases for day 3 I don't see why defaulting to an inactive would be your stance unless you don't want to try making too many actual stances in the game and watch it come back to bite you in the arse.

No I definitely am going to give him some more time since it is only the 17th, but just stating that for submarining he is one of the guys that is on the top of my list. Just trying to see who else is on the towns radar for this...

Now that the sax wagon is losing steam are you already looking for the next popular bandwagon to jump on? It would save you the trouble of committing to your own ideas and keep you below the radar...

based on how well Rodin faked claimed i could total see this as an option and could be vampire,scum or anything anti town.

If I was scum in any way why would Rodion be pursuing me so hard to have me lynched if I was apart of his fraction?

based on how well Rodin faked claimed i could total see this as an option and could be vampire,scum or anything anti town.

If I was scum in any way why would Rodion be pursuing me so hard to have me lynched if I was apart of his fraction?

Flawed logic is flawed. Wifom logic is WIFOM. We've been over the multiple scum factions argument before so the fact you may not be aligned with rodion directly does not disprove you are scum. i think I've already stated a wifomy rebuttal to that wifom statement about why he might have gone after you if you had been in the same faction.

EBWOP from day 3 not day 2.

[Talapus]

i know i am a rookie i am trying to figure out this set up. excuse me for getting confused and saying so.

With all the factions in this game there won't be anything concrete until later in the game for sure. There is a lot happening here so don't be too hard on yourself man. I can honestly say the amount of factions and groups in here is crazy.

strike composed a nice bit about Bleed but I don't really want to push to much on that yet as I'm sure he will get in here and speak up for himself. Although I think GT is likely town as he was investigated we need to remember that there are/were recruiting factions in here and any smart recruiter would obviously target cleared towns. Not saying it's happened, but something to think about.

At this point in time I am more then willing to throw a vote on The Saxlad. Out of all the roles it doesn't make any sense at all and for the most part he has completely disappeared which is odd. I've seen him post in other games more recently, but not here. Either provide us with some more info on your role or get in here explain how in the world it makes sense with the flavor of this game so far. Because right now, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Unvote
Vote: The Saxlad

[Commander9]

Vote Count:

talapus
ndrs
Edocsil
targetman377
TheSaxlad (1) - talapus
Iliad
gimli1990 (1) - Iliad
dazerazer (1) - ndrs
shieldgenerator7
Got tonkaed (1) - gimli
ShaggyDan
nagerous
Strike Wolf
Fircoal (1) - tonka
Bleed_Green

Deadline July 22nd, Friday.

[strike wolf]

Well it seems that votes are split and discussions have stalled. I was going to try to wait for bleed's response before I threw down my vote but a small bandwagon may be better to get the discussion going with how split opinions are right now. So if it is needed I'm willing to vote sax if it means getting discussion going.

[got tonkaed]

What is the point of a sax lynch?

His character doesnt fit into what we have as far as ideas about the game. He could just as easily be NK'd and probably would be if there were any inklings to what exactly a pikachu would do in this game. Unless he is the shadow it doesnt make sense when there are scummy players (ie fircoal) who as a possible vampire have a more direct threat.

[strike wolf]

Well it's definitely not the only solution but this game is stagnating right now and we need some kind of bandwagon that can be agreed upon just to get discussion flowing. Sax seems to be the best chance of that right now.

[edocsil]

Well it's definitely not the only solution but this game is stagnating right now and we need some kind of bandwagon that can be agreed upon just to get discussion flowing. Sax seems to be the best chance of that right now.

Worst case he is a jester and he wins all by himself. Info from voting patterns.

Best case he is lazy scum. Info from voting patterns.

Middle case, he is exactly what he claims. Info from voting patterns and the inclusion of pokemon.

It beats the hell out of complete inaction.

Unvote Vote Sax

[strike wolf]

Yeah. vote sax

[strike wolf]

Yeah. vote sax

Ebwop: He's also horribly inactive in this game and others so I doubt we'd miss the inactive.

[ndrs]

I agree. Unvote vote sax

[Iliad]

I would prefer to just night kill saxlad and not waste our lynch on him. Unfortunately there aren't exactly a lot of cases happening, not ones that are good enough to get off the ground and running.

This may at least get sax to truthfully claim. He has been able to avoid posting any serious kinds of posts throughout the game and it could be an act, and at worst either a useless townie or a jester. The fears over the latter are usually overhyped
Vote saxlad

[dazerazer]

I am not sure where to go from here being that I am so new to this mafia game. I do not want to just jump on a bandwagon. I just wanted yall to know Im here.

[got tonkaed]

I wont be jumping on the bandwagon until after a claim or closer to the deadline. Its still the wrong person by the way. Also, itd be great if everyone in the game would at least post today.

[strike wolf]

Tonka how much are you willing to stake on fircoal being scum?

[got tonkaed]

Lets not get crazy. It is not as if I have an airtight case at all. But I feel today has essentially been a waste for the town, as we are going to bandwagon a player that everyone decided yesterday was not worthy of a lynch, on account of the fact that no one is talking.

I believe there could very well be a connection between Fircoal and a vampire group and that he may very well be the last possible vampire. Having said that, I sure would prefer to try and get more information out of him before we decide that going after sax is good enough for the days events.

If we don't know a whole lot about what is going on as it stands, what exactly do we think we are going to be gaining by going into the night phase. I mean its cool that the werewolves have been killed and that the vampires are weak along with the mongolians maybe being less of a factor without their leader. But a lot of that was down to luck, and it isn't likely to get better if there is not more information out there.

[strike wolf]

This kind of proves my point. I don't think anyone right now has a case they feel die hard confident in and really I do feel the bleed case is a bit better than the sax case but in the current scenario I think at least a small bandwagon is needed just to prod some attention from people and the sax case seemed to be the only one getting a diverse range of support.

[got tonkaed]

I guess. But that doesn't really get anyone anywhere. If I counted right sax is at l-3 and probably doesn't have a whole lot to say. As far as we know there really is no reason to vote for him other than a pr and inactivity. I mean I guess since we are under 48 hours we probably won't get a whole lot more information out there today. Its more disappointing to have wasted a day completely.

I'll make a vote tomorrow if we don't get anything consequential out there.

Also, Edoc, would you mind being a sport and watching me tonight?

[nagerous]

I'm going to vote saxlad

At this point I think he won't contribute any more and is more of a hindrance on our progress than a help regardless of the role.