DBo - anti-gay slur[warned]es

[donkeylove]

From another thread

I feel for you when it comes to your son, and I try specifically avoid saying "retard" in CC and RL in order to avoid any kind of perception that I am somehow disparaging those who may have mental/learning challenges.

I see you tried really hard

[jefjef]

Personally I don't think anything should be done, he called you a meatball

It's amazing how some people defend bs.

I suppose if he had called him a "N*****" you would spin it as calling him paint.

I don't care much for Dibbun or him slinging "retard" around either but c'mon. Get real.

[Royal Panda]

Personally I don't think anything should be done, he called you a meatball

It's amazing how some people defend bs.

I suppose if he had called him a "N*****" you would spin it as calling him paint.

I think the point is that he clearly wasn't actually offended, he instigated the name calling, he used a word that I would consider just as bad if not worse, he's only being spiteful... etc. etc. Refer to my post earlier on different cultures. The accused isn't American; he probably has no clue how offensive that word is in your country, and just knows it as a simple insult.

THAT is how people can defend it.

[jefjef]

Personally I don't think anything should be done, he called you a meatball

It's amazing how some people defend bs.

I suppose if he had called him a "N*****" you would spin it as calling him paint.

I think the point is that he clearly wasn't actually offended, he instigated the name calling, he used a word that I would consider just as bad if not worse, he's only being spiteful... etc. etc. Refer to my post earlier on different cultures. The accused isn't American; he probably has no clue how offensive that word is in your country, and just knows it as a simple insult.

THAT is how people can defend it.

It does not matter if Dibbun was offended. It is tasteless and it is still an offensive word to many and not just a slur in the USA.

The offender will get warned and rightly so.

[Leehar]

I do have to concur tho that this does seem to be one of those 'run-of-the-mill' insults that are used in this kind of banter and it doesn't look to be used in a derogatory fashion. As Pander says, It's been used at school a bit in the same vein as calling someone a idiot, freak etc when the intention goes no deeper than an insult when you're irritated at someone. The 2 guys here were trading blows and it just seems a bit harsh to call out one while not the other when I truly don't believe they were meant in a demeaning fashion as the slur is supposedly meant to transmit

[Royal Panda]

It does not matter if Dibbun was offended. It is tasteless and it is still an offensive word to many and not just a slur in the USA.

The offender will get warned and rightly so.

I agree he should be warned, as per the rules. But would you also agree Dibbun should be warned? I fail to see how CC can endorse use of the word retard while blocking use of the word faggot...

[eddie2]

It does not matter if Dibbun was offended. It is tasteless and it is still an offensive word to many and not just a slur in the USA.

The offender will get warned and rightly so.

I agree he should be warned, as per the rules. But would you also agree Dibbun should be warned? I fail to see how CC can endorse use of the word retard while blocking use of the word faggot...

problem is that this case last week

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=148269

they cleared the person who used the word so cant use it again i think it was a out of order doing that.

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs. The predominant usage in modern English refers to persons hostile to those of differing race, ethnicity, religion or spirituality, nationality, inter-regional prejudice, gender and sexual orientation, homelessness, various medical disorders particularly behavioral disorders and addictive disorders. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views.

now lets look at some things that get said.

the n word is it not true that some black communitys say this word to each other. yes it is true so how come whenever someone of a different skin colour to them says it, it becomes racist or bigoted.

the f word for gay people this word to is also used sometimes within there own community usually when joking with each other.

now we come to the the word that is being used against mentally handicapped people would they use this word among themselves no they defo would not not a hope in hell of it. these people take major offense to this word not like the above two words were people in them community only take offense if it is someone outside of there community using it.

[Royal Panda]

now lets look at some things that get said.

the n word is it not true that some black communitys say this word to each other. yes it is true so how come whenever someone of a different skin colour to them says it, it becomes racist or bigoted.

the f word for gay people this word to is also used sometimes within there own community usually when joking with each other.

now we come to the the word that is being used against mentally handicapped people would they use this word among themselves no they defo would not not a hope in hell of it. these people take major offense to this word not like the above two words were people in them community only take offense if it is someone outside of there community using it.

^^This^^ hits the nail on the head.

[DJPatrick]

"Jehovah"...there, I've said it...who casts the first stone????

[Dukasaur]

"Jehovah"...there, I've said it...who casts the first stone????

All I said was, "this halibut is good enough for Jehovah!"

[DJPatrick]

Bloody cheesemakers

[Metsfanmax]

now we come to the the word that is being used against mentally handicapped people would they use this word among themselves no they defo would not not a hope in hell of it. these people take major offense to this word not like the above two words were people in them community only take offense if it is someone outside of there community using it.

I do not know why one group finds one slur more offensive than some other group feels about a different slur. But what does matter is that it can be considered offensive by a large number of people, and so care should be taken. Even if many gay people do not get upset by the use of the word, the fact that it is used to the effect of being an insult means that some people do get upset. Pander hit the nail on the head with this one -- if you're going to say that one slur is disallowed because it could offend people, you have to take care and prevent all slurs, or else you essentially discredit the worth of those various groups. The problem here is not that the accused should be punished (he should be) but also that the accuser should be as well, for using a similarly offensive term. It's OK for the C&A mods to admit a mistake was made in any previous ruling regarding the use of the word "retard," as long as the mistake is actually corrected. To continue to make the mistake in the name of upholding precedent would be a grave injustice.

[Dibbun]

The problem here is not that the accused should be punished (he should be) but also that the accuser should be as well, for using a similarly offensive term. It's OK for the C&A mods to admit a mistake was made in any previous ruling regarding the use of the word "retard," as long as the mistake is actually corrected. To continue to make the mistake in the name of upholding precedent would be a grave injustice.

I hope you're not suggesting that I be punished for something that's legal. I read the threads in this forum and I keep up to date on what is considered allowed and disallowed. If you want to change the rule then that's something I'd respect but I'm not sure that punishing me ex post facto avoids injustice by any stretch of the imagination.

[Dukasaur]

I hope you're not suggesting that I be punished for something that's legal. I read the threads in this forum and I keep up to date on what is considered allowed and disallowed. If you want to change the rule then that's something I'd respect but I'm not sure that punishing me ex post facto avoids injustice by any stretch of the imagination.

From the Game Chat Guidelines:

Harassing

* Banter and some trash talking IS allowed in the Game Chats, provided it doesn't cross some specific lines.
* While you might find some game chat disagreeable, uncouth, and boorish, cursing and using foul language may not be a breach of our Guidelines. Try kindly asking them to stop or ignoring them using your Foes List.
* That said, what is not allowed is any form of bigotry, cyber-bullying/harassment or those extremes outlined in the Forum Guidelines. Please report any such comments that you find offensive.

And, following (according to the bolded section above) to the Forum Guidelines:

Flaming Specifics

* It doesn't matter if another user rubs you the wrong way, that's not an excuse to flame or personally attack them.
* Attacking a person instead of the user is NOT ok - it's all fun and games until it becomes personal.
* Yes, we are liberal on coarse language, but this does not mean cyber-bullying or abusive bigotry is acceptable anywhere. You will be removed from the community for cyber-bullying or abusive bigotry.

Flaming will get your post edited/deleted and you will receive a disciplinary action from a mod. Cyber-bullying or harassment will similarly result in a disciplinary action, and a ton of bricks.

And, above all, from the Community Guidelines:

Don't be intentionally annoying!

Common sense prevails - if you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it. It's that simple. This applies to any part of the site where interaction takes place; in Forums, Private Messages, Live Chat and Game Chat.

[Dibbun]

Thanks for the spam, Captain Specific.

* Attacking a person instead of the user is NOT ok - it's all fun and games until it becomes personal.

Calling someone a "n*****" makes two points:

1. Black people are n*****s
2. It is bad to be like a black person

There is also no logical argument for saying someone is acting "like a n*****" because that is an obscure, abstract concept.

Calling someone a f***** makes two points:

1. Gay people are f*****s
2. It is bad to be like a gay person

Not sure how you can act literally homosexual in game chat, but the way it is most used (like in this report) is as a substitute for actually commenting on the behavior/gameplay of an individual using literal language. One is using a group in a derogatory manner to describe a person, to compare a person to that group.

Calling someone a retard makes one point:

1. You are behaving in a stupid manner.

It does not make an inherent assertion that mentally challenged people are "retards," and it does not compare the target to the mentally challenged. It is a direct reference to behavior, as it is a commentary on the perceived intelligence of the target. It is not a personal attack on the individual themselves, as it does not label them as a member of a specific group to be held in contempt. There is not widespread contempt for the mentally challenged, and per the white power/green power standard, the word "retard" does not carry the connotation of hatred that "f*****" and "n*****" do as there is at least a history of widespread contempt for those two groups alluded to in those words.

Per your last point:

Don't be intentionally annoying!

Common sense prevails - if you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it. It's that simple. This applies to any part of the site where interaction takes place; in Forums, Private Messages, Live Chat and Game Chat.

Cool, tell people then to stop bitching about dice, drop, and cards. And to stop saying "gg" before the game actually ends. And to stop trying to "pull rank" because all these things are incredibly annoying.

[*Snowman*]

To cut a long story short can I make a sugestion? Let cc make a list of banned words we can can all decide on and put them in the rule book.

[*Snowman*]

To clarify, a penalty would be associated with the word and then the mods would not have to make any decisions other than was the word used.

[greenoaks]

Calling someone a retard makes one point:

1. You are behaving in a stupid manner.

It does not make an inherent assertion that mentally challenged people are "retards," and it does not compare the target to the mentally challenged. It is a direct reference to behavior, as it is a commentary on the perceived intelligence of the target. It is not a personal attack on the individual themselves, as it does not label them as a member of a specific group to be held in contempt. There is not widespread contempt for the mentally challenged, and per the white power/green power standard, the word "retard" does not carry the connotation of hatred that "f*****" and "n*****" do as there is at least a history of widespread contempt for those two groups alluded to in those words.

when you call someone a retard you are saying they ARE acting like or are a mentally challanged person ie. a mentally retarded person.

depending on the actions preceding the slur, that could be an insult to mentally challenged people.

[eddie2]

Calling someone a retard makes one point:

1. You are behaving in a stupid manner.

It does not make an inherent assertion that mentally challenged people are "retards," and it does not compare the target to the mentally challenged. It is a direct reference to behavior, as it is a commentary on the perceived intelligence of the target. It is not a personal attack on the individual themselves, as it does not label them as a member of a specific group to be held in contempt. There is not widespread contempt for the mentally challenged, and per the white power/green power standard, the word "retard" does not carry the connotation of hatred that "f*****" and "n*****" do as there is at least a history of widespread contempt for those two groups alluded to in those words.

when you call someone a retard you are saying they ARE acting like or are a mentally challanged person ie. a mentally retarded person.

depending on the actions preceding the slur, that could be an insult to mentally challenged people.

we have a word for this on the site NOOB not the r word.

[greenoaks]

isn't it spelt n00b

[Dibbun]

when you call someone a retard you are saying they ARE acting like or are a mentally challanged person ie. a mentally retarded person.

depending on the actions preceding the slur, that could be an insult to mentally challenged people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_%28psychology%29

Let's ban moron, imbecile, and idiot then since they can be considered to refer to the same group of people. Except wait, if I call you a moron I am directly referencing your behavior while not making a personal attack on your character, nor am I comparing you to a group. It is the exact same with retard, and it is the exact opposite with f*****.

Remember that "cunt" is allowed, and that word is abstract (no literal way your behavior can be cunt-like) it references a group (women) and carries a far greater history of being used as a hateful word than "retard."

[IR1SH ACE]

Dibbun I think u come across as a bit of a dick/moron/idiot/muppet/.......whatever non offence to some portion of society word u want to use, u just rub people the wrong way, tellin people how they should play the game and then callin them noob.

I think its obvious that DBo was pissed off at ur shitty attitude that u bring into alot of ur games.....I have had a look at some other games.....like this

Game 9189889 which u start off in ur usual friendly manner.....

2011-06-05 15:47:37 - rogower: Nice drop, Blue!
2011-06-05 15:53:32 - The player 1: for real
2011-06-05 15:56:03 - Dibbun: rofl
2011-06-05 15:56:06 - Dibbun: noob red
2011-06-05 15:56:48 - rogower: What?
2011-06-05 15:57:20 - Dibbun: blue wins because you wouldn't break his bonus
2011-06-05 15:58:03 - rogower: Here we go.
2011-06-05 15:58:37 - rogower: I love how the Internet encourages people to behave in ways they never would in person or if their identities were known.
2011-06-05 16:00:03 - Dibbun: if we were playing in person I would still call you a nob
2011-06-05 16:00:08 - Dibbun: noob

and then continue to be a DICK as the game continues and after u have been eliminated........

2011-06-05 16:08:44 - Dibbun: and blue wins because you're retarded
2011-06-05 16:08:46 - Dibbun: as predicted
2011-06-05 16:09:25 - rogower: Thanks for playing, retard!
2011-06-05 16:09:27 - The player 1: thanks for getting rid of that twat

2011-06-05 16:11:16 - Dibbun: I'm staying so I can laugh at your defeat, which was obvious 3 rounds ago

2011-06-05 16:13:43 - Dibbun: lol blue you're stupid
2011-06-05 16:13:51 - Dibbun: I wonder if you fucked that up on purpose just to put red over
2011-06-05 16:15:00 - rogower: My god, you are a pathetic fucking person, Yellow.
2011-06-05 16:15:50 - Dibbun: get mad more just because you suck and I'm calling you on it
2011-06-05 16:16:08 - Dibbun: there are guides on the forums, you should take a look at them (several times)

this is a clear case of acting like anyone of the slurs mentioned at the start of post but personally I would say ur a DICK.....

here is a few more examples of ur lovely personality
Game 9193275
Game 8697103
Game 8618371

This is not a case of gay bashing where he is been rude and offensive about a section of society or expressing a view/opinion that u find vulgar and felt the need to report this bigot to the rest of the community, u can be a bit of a DICK in ur games and Im sure DBo meant to say......

2011-07-07 03:48:46 - DBo: i was securing a bonus DICK

I feel if DBo gets a warning the so should Dibbun...

[Dibbun]

It's really annoying to read words that are missing letters, try to type out the whole word, like "you" instead of "u" or "you're"/"your" instead of "ur," so on.

Per that posted log, he kept talking to me after I was eliminated. Post the entire log instead of cherrypicking what you want people to read. I don't apologize for that log either, after the game the individuals involved went their separate ways, and everyone was rated accordingly, including me.

For game 9193275, here:

2011-06-06 05:20:20 - Dibbun: did I say anything about losing?
2011-06-06 05:20:37 - Dibbun: I don't care about that, I just don't want to waste an hour on a game that should take 15 minutes at the most
2011-06-06 05:20:49 - Dibbun: because some people want to dick around instead of play a speed game in a speedy manner
2011-06-06 05:21:42 - Dibbun: lol 91% turns taken, why play at all when you don't take turns?
2011-06-06 05:21:53 - Dibbun: pathetic, I've never seen a turn attendance that low

Sorry if you're offended but 91% attendance is pathetic.

In game 8697103, idk if there was secret diplomacy or what but one player had a big ass lead and people refused to check him, all I said at the end was "lol noob red."

Game 8618371 was a hostage situation where I was stuck at 0 deployable troops each round for multiple rounds.

Did you even read these logs? Nothing out of the ordinary in my opinion, I'm sure you can find 15+ games of me saying "cry more noob" to people who complain about dice. In fact, I just finished a game with a major who did just that: Game 9370634

And yeah if DBo had called me a "dick" we wouldn't be here.. I can accept being called a dick but being called a "f*****" is offensive.

[shocked439]

Dibbun has been nothing but a holier than thou arrogant prick in this whole thread. His inability to recognize the implications of his own actions are insulting. More lines were crossed than necessary in filIng this report. What did you really hope to accomplish by filing this claim? Running and telling on people when you bait them into the problem is worse than what he called you. If you can't play nice don't play at all, and don't file spurious claims and waste energy refuting your claim when you have a history of shit talking.

Looking forward to semps response.

[Dibbun]

Dibbun has been nothing but a holier than thou arrogant prick in this whole thread. His inability to recognize the implications of his own actions are insulting. More lines were crossed than necessary in filIng this report. What did you really hope to accomplish by filing this claim? Running and telling on people when you bait them into the problem is worse than what he called you. If you can't play nice don't play at all, and don't file spurious claims and waste energy refuting your claim when you have a history of shit talking.

Looking forward to semps response.

This post would make perfect sense if I was reporting someone for trolling. What is being reported is a banned slur, preceded by permissible levels of shit-talking and followed by an allowed word. I started the game chat by pointing out (without profanity or insults) that the behavior exhibited by DBo was anti-social - he had the game wrapped up and was unnecessarily wasting time and troops conquering neutrals in a speed game. This is annoying because I don't want to be tethered down to a speed game for any longer than I have to be, and I don't deadbeat. He responded with "f*ck you" which said to me that he had his big-boy pants on (which most people posting in this thread lack) and could handle the oh-so-rude-and-trolling-and-flaming-and-baiting comment that he was a noob. He could have responded in any number of ways (including what would be considered trolling/flaming) and there would have been no issue. However, he had to take the shit-talking to an unacceptable level and use a banned slur. No excuse. Mods/admins have already cleared the use of the word "retard" in game chat so if they want to ban it now that is there prerogative but to punish me for it when it was as recently as a few days ago cleared would be, in my opinion, inappropriate.

Not that it's relevant, but I do not have a foe list. I am not offended in the least by shit talking but keep it legal and keep it related to my actions.

Edit: Calling me a holier than thou arrogant prick when you have "bad dice happen to good players" in your signature? Lol irony.