[UNKNOWN] Mafia Day 5 - The Disappearance [Abandoned]

[Talapus]

I also have to ask are there any more pokemon out there?

Isn't that pushing for others to claim? I don't really like that policy.

No. But I can see how knights templars, vampires and werewolfs, and pokemon fit in the same mafia game.

LOL, I thought Romeo and Juliet with werewolves was wierd enough. I'll tell you what though, if that story had vampires and werewolves when I read it the first time for class back in 6th grade I would have paid a hell of a lot more attention . Honestly though I think it's just to early to get in to claiming and trying to figure out where these scenes are going without a bit more of the back story. I'm still waiting for the Rabbit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail to make an appearence in a day scene......lol, epic awesomness there.

[edocsil]

I also have to ask are there any more pokemon out there?

Isn't that pushing for others to claim? I don't really like that policy.

No. But I can see how knights templars, vampires and werewolfs, and pokemon fit in the same mafia game.

Unless I totally miss my guess the pokemon were a joke...

[strike wolf]

I have to admit I am a little confused by this too. I am wondering if Saxlad has some kind of PR as even with some new information that would make it appear that the theme extends even into the late 20th century as far as when it was written most characters still seem to be from the time frame that was already speculated and mostly in Europe with the Exception of Saladin and Ghengis (who seem like they might be part of the mafia). So claiming to be a pokemon appears very out of place. The problem is it almost seems too far fetched that a scum would be that careless as to state a role that was completely away from the theme even if he had a role that would suggest that those type characters might be in the game so I am completely without an answer as to why Sax is behaving in this manner.

I know this is partially based on a difference of opinion but I really don't know where freezie is going with this doom thing. He claims Doomyoshi skimmed when really it seems to me like a legitimate understanding (which unless I am remembering incorrectly, others were confused by too). So unless Freezie can bring up other examples of where he feels doomyoshi skimmed I am not seeing the argument.

The argument that cult may have recruited bleed seems weak and a bit wifomy to me. there appears to be multiple factions and i have to imagine that mafia and cult were more aware of that fact then town. It was also noted in thread by more than one person that there is the potential for multiple scum groups in this game prior to this incident so I do not believe scum would assume that by virtue of him not appearing to be aligned with Rodion they should automatically try to recruit him. It would seem just as logical for scum to try to recruit me or one of the others who were strongly pushing against Rody as that person would likely appear more town like. I know this argument is also somewhat wifomy but I am just using this to counter a wifom argument so I think that is justifiable.

Still working on my analysis post. It is not big but I am doing a lot of double checking and looking at things from multiple angles and such so it could take quite a while.

[Fircoal]

Well with Strike and Safari being right I have less reason to target them, although I do still find them suspricous. I'm also a bit interested in Vio and Doom, both of them seem to have a very strong tunnel vision on Freezie. I'm a bit suspicious.

[Talapus]

Well with Strike and Safari being right I have less reason to target them, although I do still find them suspricous. I'm also a bit interested in Vio and Doom, both of them seem to have a very strong tunnel vision on Freezie. I'm a bit suspicious.

This is true, but in many games Vio gets tunnel vision on a player. I call her out for it in others and it only ever seems to be for discussion purposes according to Vio in those games. So honestly I think it more her playstyle more then any kind of tell. As for Doom and Freezie the amount of attention they are giving eachother based on the scarcity of evidence against them is highly disproportional.

[Fircoal]

Well with Strike and Safari being right I have less reason to target them, although I do still find them suspricous. I'm also a bit interested in Vio and Doom, both of them seem to have a very strong tunnel vision on Freezie. I'm a bit suspicious.

This is true, but in many games Vio gets tunnel vision on a player. I call her out for it in others and it only ever seems to be for discussion purposes according to Vio in those games. So honestly I think it more her playstyle more then any kind of tell. As for Doom and Freezie the amount of attention they are giving eachother based on the scarcity of evidence against them is highly disproportional.

Yea I'm aware Vio does it often. Although I find it kinda odd they both picked the same target...

[DoomYoshi]

Well with Strike and Safari being right I have less reason to target them, although I do still find them suspricous. I'm also a bit interested in Vio and Doom, both of them seem to have a very strong tunnel vision on Freezie. I'm a bit suspicious.

This is true, but in many games Vio gets tunnel vision on a player. I call her out for it in others and it only ever seems to be for discussion purposes according to Vio in those games. So honestly I think it more her playstyle more then any kind of tell. As for Doom and Freezie the amount of attention they are giving eachother based on the scarcity of evidence against them is highly disproportional.

Yea I'm aware Vio does it often. Although I find it kinda odd they both picked the same target...

This is ridiculous that you are saying I have tunnel vision. The entire conversation yesterday was about an undeclared pronoun : "it". Once I finally got an actual explanation from freezie, I dropped it. The fact that freezie brought it up again today would say that he has tunnel vision, not I. The whole Vio thing is a coincidence here, as I am not even sure what her case is.

[safariguy5]

Yeah, Vio just made some declarative statements, I did ask for quotes to back them up, but she hasn't responded yet.

[VioIet]

I also have to ask are there any more pokemon out there?

Why and what does that have to do with anything? Are you referring to The Shadow?

[VioIet]

I also have to ask are there any more pokemon out there?

Isn't that pushing for others to claim? I don't really like that policy.

No. But I can see how knights templars, vampires and werewolfs, and pokemon fit in the same mafia game.

Unless I totally miss my guess the pokemon were a joke...

I should clarify. At first I thought sax was joking, but wanted to clarify.

And give me some time saf- and I will provide some quotes.

[Fircoal]

Well with Strike and Safari being right I have less reason to target them, although I do still find them suspricous. I'm also a bit interested in Vio and Doom, both of them seem to have a very strong tunnel vision on Freezie. I'm a bit suspicious.

This is true, but in many games Vio gets tunnel vision on a player. I call her out for it in others and it only ever seems to be for discussion purposes according to Vio in those games. So honestly I think it more her playstyle more then any kind of tell. As for Doom and Freezie the amount of attention they are giving eachother based on the scarcity of evidence against them is highly disproportional.

Yea I'm aware Vio does it often. Although I find it kinda odd they both picked the same target...

This is ridiculous that you are saying I have tunnel vision. The entire conversation yesterday was about an undeclared pronoun : "it". Once I finally got an actual explanation from freezie, I dropped it. The fact that freezie brought it up again today would say that he has tunnel vision, not I. The whole Vio thing is a coincidence here, as I am not even sure what her case is.

That whole adventure is part of your tunnel vision. It's not just today. And you don't have to have the same case to be in the same plan.

[Bleed_Green]

When do some rereading on D2 it was brought up the C9 might be playing with colours to distinguish fractions of the game. So I have gone back and looked at this aspect over and it does seem to be that way.

Rome and Juliet Characters displayed as blue (Shield and Nam)
Knights Templar displayed as yellow writing (AOG)
Vampires displayed as red (pancakemix and Rodion)
Werewolves displayed as purple (naxus)

Blue - I am thinking mostly likely town

yellow - I think third party not really against town, only thing against them is that Radion was converted to a vampire which doesn't mean that prior to this he was anti or pro town

red - scum, scenes clearly depict that they were out to kill

purple - not sure yet as they has not been a death scene caused by a werewolf only an attack against a vampire so cannot be certain of pro town either

[strike wolf]

Actually fircoal doomyoshi has a point. He wanted clarification on a post and it was freezie who really brought this back up today. I am not sure you can really blame yoshi for that. It is also not like doomyoshi has spent the whole game questioning freezie like vio has. So iright now I don't see any merit to this argument.

[freezie]

I pointed out the people I still find suspcious and that I did find suspicious since day 2.

People are making a whole big deal of it. I clearly went against Vio today, not doom. I still keep my eyes on him.

Oh and Doom..Since you really wanted to bring this back up :

(such as when you claimed that you had unvoted, when you clearly hadn't)

I never claimed I unvoted, I claimed I TRIED unvoting but forgot to use a color. Hence why I didn't officially unvoted. I fixed it afterward.

But whatever, Un-FoS Doom since people are really paying a whole load more attention to it than even I would.

[Fircoal]

Actually fircoal doomyoshi has a point. He wanted clarification on a post and it was freezie who really brought this back up today. I am not sure you can really blame yoshi for that. It is also not like doomyoshi has spent the whole game questioning freezie like vio has. So iright now I don't see any merit to this argument.

I don't think you'd see any merit to any argument I'd bring up. Besides he still jumped on it, did he not?

[DoomYoshi]

Actually fircoal doomyoshi has a point. He wanted clarification on a post and it was freezie who really brought this back up today. I am not sure you can really blame yoshi for that. It is also not like doomyoshi has spent the whole game questioning freezie like vio has. So iright now I don't see any merit to this argument.

I don't think you'd see any merit to any argument I'd bring up. Besides he still jumped on it, did he not?

I merely addressed a FOS in my direction and a baseless accusation of skimming. How would you react if I FOSed you for BW hopping today?

[strike wolf]

Actually fircoal doomyoshi has a point. He wanted clarification on a post and it was freezie who really brought this back up today. I am not sure you can really blame yoshi for that. It is also not like doomyoshi has spent the whole game questioning freezie like vio has. So iright now I don't see any merit to this argument.

I don't think you'd see any merit to any argument I'd bring up. Besides he still jumped on it, did he not?

Now that is a baseless accusation. You stated that Doomyoshi has been consistently tunnel visioned on Freezie. I pointed out how that isn't really true as doomyoshi brought it back up to rebut an FOS made his way on that very issue. I do not see why it is such a huge deal that Doomyoshi would try to clear the air about an accusation his way and how that warrants tunnel vision accusations. What is the other argument I've argued against that you made? the argument against me? It should go without saying that I would rebut accusations made my way.

[Fircoal]

Actually fircoal doomyoshi has a point. He wanted clarification on a post and it was freezie who really brought this back up today. I am not sure you can really blame yoshi for that. It is also not like doomyoshi has spent the whole game questioning freezie like vio has. So iright now I don't see any merit to this argument.

I don't think you'd see any merit to any argument I'd bring up. Besides he still jumped on it, did he not?

Now that is a baseless accusation. You stated that Doomyoshi has been consistently tunnel visioned on Freezie. I pointed out how that isn't really true as doomyoshi brought it back up to rebut an FOS made his way on that very issue. I do not see why it is such a huge deal that Doomyoshi would try to clear the air about an accusation his way and how that warrants tunnel vision accusations. What is the other argument I've argued against that you made? the argument against me? It should go without saying that I would rebut accusations made my way.

The only reason it's a bit of a deal at all is because it was what Doom solely focused on yesterday. I was more referring to the whole Rodion thing in general at you.

[Fircoal]

Actually fircoal doomyoshi has a point. He wanted clarification on a post and it was freezie who really brought this back up today. I am not sure you can really blame yoshi for that. It is also not like doomyoshi has spent the whole game questioning freezie like vio has. So iright now I don't see any merit to this argument.

I don't think you'd see any merit to any argument I'd bring up. Besides he still jumped on it, did he not?

Now that is a baseless accusation. You stated that Doomyoshi has been consistently tunnel visioned on Freezie. I pointed out how that isn't really true as doomyoshi brought it back up to rebut an FOS made his way on that very issue. I do not see why it is such a huge deal that Doomyoshi would try to clear the air about an accusation his way and how that warrants tunnel vision accusations. What is the other argument I've argued against that you made? the argument against me? It should go without saying that I would rebut accusations made my way.

The only reason it's a bit of a deal at all is because it was what Doom solely focused on yesterday. I was more referring to the whole Rodion thing in general at you.

Re-reading it, it doesn't look like Yoshi has been as tunnel visioned today, however it still happened on the previous day...

[strike wolf]

Actually fircoal doomyoshi has a point. He wanted clarification on a post and it was freezie who really brought this back up today. I am not sure you can really blame yoshi for that. It is also not like doomyoshi has spent the whole game questioning freezie like vio has. So iright now I don't see any merit to this argument.

I don't think you'd see any merit to any argument I'd bring up. Besides he still jumped on it, did he not?

Now that is a baseless accusation. You stated that Doomyoshi has been consistently tunnel visioned on Freezie. I pointed out how that isn't really true as doomyoshi brought it back up to rebut an FOS made his way on that very issue. I do not see why it is such a huge deal that Doomyoshi would try to clear the air about an accusation his way and how that warrants tunnel vision accusations. What is the other argument I've argued against that you made? the argument against me? It should go without saying that I would rebut accusations made my way.

The only reason it's a bit of a deal at all is because it was what Doom solely focused on yesterday. I was more referring to the whole Rodion thing in general at you.

I really feel that the whole rodion issue really comes down more to our differences in play styles. You cut new players a lot of slack while I might give them some but not as much. I'm also a big fan of on the run learning for new players. I had a feeling about his behavior being scummy, you felt it was newbiness and I defended my position when it was questioned.

As far as yoshi, that statement is a lot more reasonable and I would agree as much to say it was a large focus of what he did yesterday.

[safariguy5]

Yeah, like I said before, Rodion is very vigorous in his defense, whether or not it's ultimately successful, he does put a lot of effort into it and sometimes that's all we need.

[safariguy5]

Yeah, like I said before, Rodion is very vigorous in his defense, whether or not it's ultimately successful, he does put a lot of effort into it and sometimes that's all he needs.

EBWOP

[Commander9]

VOTE COUNT:

safarigy5
freezie
talapus
ndrs
Edocsil
vioiet (1) - freezie
targetman377
TheSaxlad
Iliad
DoomYoshi
gimli1990
blakebowling
jeraado
Got tonkaed
ShaggyDan
nagerous
Strike Wolf
Fircoal
Bleed_Green

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

[DoomYoshi]

TSL, you haven't really been very active here. Your only two points of activity are when you claimed with no provocation and then started rolefishing. Do I smell a possible Jester?

[Fircoal]

Yeah, like I said before, Rodion is very vigorous in his defense, whether or not it's ultimately successful, he does put a lot of effort into it and sometimes that's all we need.

Not really, honestly I've seen passionate defenses fall down in flames more easily than more logical ones. I think XGSuperstar in Kirby 64 Mafia is a good example of this. I will say it was his first game so mistakes were made, but the large amount arguments with him and LSU did him no good. They remind me of Rodion's defense in this game. However later down the line when he made more logical defenses he'd survive more often. Just because there's effort there doesn't mean the defense is crap or that it'll work. I mean the biggest case of point of this is in POTC mafia where my whole wagon was based off of me not being active enough, so I post a 23 page scum hunt and still get lynched. Effort? Yes. Arguments Refuted? Yes. Lynched? Yes. The arguments for the grand part didn't even APPLY anymore and yet I was still lynched. Why? Because a scum and a survivor where too afraid of their names being called out more and wanted me dead. Well actually the why does not matter as much of the fact that IT HAPPENED. Effort does not mean a good defense and it does not mean that they won't be lynched. The only way pure effort will get you out of anything is if your charges are scummarining (And you aren't speed-hammered to keep your mouth shut) or if the rest of the game is scummarining and you have to knock them off first. I mean look, in the end Rodion died, what proof is there needed to know that it wasn't enough?

PS: This conversation belongs more in a mafia theory thread as it has no barring on the case that is at hand.