ReichZealand (Blasphemy)

[alster]

I am surprised that nobody has raised the point that the image in question is pornographic. Since when has CC allowed images of erect ejaculating penis on its forums. Admittedly it is only a cartoon but as others have said there are children on here boys and girls who should not be subjected to this indecency. If I were to post a picture of my erect penis, how long would it be before it was removed, not very long I think. So would somebody please explain the difference to me.

Well. Pornographic? Come on. It’s a satiric cartoon. Satiric cartoons have historically contained material what some people find blasphemous, indecent and/and pornographic. Satiric cartoons is a way to express a political opinion. And a great way of doing that as well.

As for erected penises and children playing CC. You need to keep in mind here that everyone (even the kids) are playing CC using a web browser accessing the Internet. Now. The Internet is the greatest and most comprehensive source of erected penises in world history. There are penises everywhere, large ones, small ones, fat ones, thin ones, in all kinds of shapes and colors. Since I got my first reliable Internet connection I’ve seen thousands of erected penises. They are there. And they pop up from time to time. Now, has this made me homosexual? Morally decadent? No, not really. However, I’m not very sensitive to nudity any more. I can deal with it. Basically, it’s good for kids to see a few erected penises in all their glory. They’ll always learn something out of it. So banning semi-“indecent” images is really a losing battle. You have a lot of much more explicit “indecency” out there.

Get over it.

[podge]

There are also pictures of nude women everywhere on the internet, so if your argument is correct then why does cc not allow nude avatars ? in my opinion it can only be not to offend, and to ban said images and allow the one posted just doesn't make sense, as that is surely more indecent than an an image of a naked woman. Don't get me wrong I am no prig, I know these images are available to anyone and everyone if they care to search for them, my point was how does CC allow the image posted yet not allow pictures of nude women.

[alster]

There are also pictures of nude women everywhere on the internet, so if your argument is correct then why does cc not allow nude avatars ? in my opinion it can only be not to offend, and to ban said images and allow the one posted just doesn't make sense, as that is surely more indecent than an an image of a naked woman.

Yes. But that cartoon was quite innocent. And it made a point, it was a political expression. Just because you found it "pornographic" (jez... then most of the museums out there contain porn) doesn't make it 100% comparable with explicit pictures.

[jaydog]

oh ya and reich zealand is also a busted multi from way back goes to show what a piece of shit he is anyway

[podge]

There are also pictures of nude women everywhere on the internet, so if your argument is correct then why does cc not allow nude avatars ? in my opinion it can only be not to offend, and to ban said images and allow the one posted just doesn't make sense, as that is surely more indecent than an an image of a naked woman.

Yes. But that cartoon was quite innocent. And it made a point, it was a political expression. Just because you found it "pornographic" (jez... then most of the museums out there contain porn) doesn't make it 100% comparable with explicit pictures.

Why do you need to put word into my mouth to get your point across. Did I ever mention explicit images. And if you consider the naked form an explicit image then you my friend have a very skewed idea of pornography.

[alster]

oh ya and reich zealand is also a busted multi from way back goes to show what a piece of shit he is anyway

WFT? That has nothing to do with his freedom of speech/expression. He is not a piece of shit for making a political point. (Although he is for violating the two rules, but those are two different matters).

[alster]

Why do you need to put word into my mouth to get your point across. Did I ever mention explicit images. And if you consider the naked form an explicit image then you my friend have a very skewed idea of pornography.

I'm not. You were the one starting to go on about porn.

[podge]

Why do you need to put word into my mouth to get your point across. Did I ever mention explicit images. And if you consider the naked form an explicit image then you my friend have a very skewed idea of pornography.

I'm not. You were the one starting to go on about porn.

very intelligent response, say no more.

[alster]

Why do you need to put word into my mouth to get your point across. Did I ever mention explicit images. And if you consider the naked form an explicit image then you my friend have a very skewed idea of pornography.

I'm not. You were the one starting to go on about porn.

very intelligent response, say no more.

Jez... This is what you posted:

I am surprised that nobody has raised the the point that the image in question is pornographic. Since when has CC allowed images of erect ejaculating penis's on it's forums. Admittedly it is only a cartoon but as others have said there are children on here boys and girls who should not be subjected to this indecency. If I were to post a picture of my erect penis, how long would it be before it was removed, not very long I think. So would somebody please explain the difference to me.

1. You obviously found the cartoon to be pornographic. Explicit?

2. I'm saying that there's a difference between a political cartoon with a message and posting regular porn pics in here. Although porn is a protected form of expression as well, there are two different purposes between you posting a picture of your own erected penis and the posted cartoon in question.

3. You found the cartoon to be indecent. I beg to disagree.

[podge]

Ok I will try to keep it simple for you, firstly I will hold up my hands and say that the word pornographic was the wrong one to use to get across my point, indecent is probably a better word. The point of my argument was that in my opinion the image in question is more "indecent" than the image of a naked woman (not an explicit picture of a naked woman you understand). So how come CC will ban those images, yet allow the other one to stay, which is obviously more indecent.

[alster]

Ok I will try to keep it simple for you, firstly I will hold up my hands and say that the word pornographic was the wrong one to use to get across my point, indecent is probably a better word. The point of my argument was that in my opinion the image in question is more "indecent" than the image of a naked woman (not an explicit picture of a naked woman you understand). So how come CC will ban those images, yet allow the other one to stay, which is obviously more indecent.

Let us break this down:

1. The point of my argument was that in my opinion the image in question is more "indecent" than the image of a naked woman (not an explicit picture of a naked woman you understand).

2. So how come CC will ban those images, yet allow the other one to stay, which is obviously more indecent.

You start out good, stating a subjective viewpoint.

But then you end up using your own subjective views as some kind of general, objective standard; i.e. when saying that the cartoon “is obviously more indecent” than a softcore nude pic.

But that’s just the way it comes out. I guess you meant your conclusion in your opinion as well.

I concur in that case. This site should be about CC, not about nude pics. The problem with the social forum and the flame forum though is that politics are discussed. The cartoon had a purpose to make a political point. Posting a nude pic could make a similar point in some circumstances (like when Hustler claimed a First Amendment right to publish porn, and eventually was proven right).

[Soloman]

you know what is funny about this whole conversation/debate is that the more it is discussed the more life it is given and the more the apparent hurt feeling will be perpetuated to those that are offended do not read it and quit responding and do not keep reading it , if you let it die then the pwer it has dies with it and it will fall the the wayside and be forgotten, basically I agree it is obscene and it is not something I would write or post but I never would have saw this if those that are against it would not have given it power by devoting there mental energies to arguing against it wiuth the fallacy you have to present it to argue it and then the cycle continues...

[foolish_yeti]

yeah, I agree- we should probably just ignore all the things that are wrong with the world and they'll go away...

[Soloman]

yeah, I agree- we should probably just ignore all the things that are wrong with the world and they'll go away...

That is a idiotic remark and as far as things wrong in the world this ranks extremely low on the list the biggest thing wrong in the world is people let actions that by themselves are powerless and petty. if he had actully himself performed the actions that may be another matter but this crap is pointless agree to disagree ignore it or continue the propaganda war all you do is create more of a standoff and yet again you give it the power of your attention when there are so many more battles worth fighting for...

[foolish_yeti]

I disagree- racism, sexism, classism and all that jazz are easily perpetuated by such "harmless" events such as this....an underlying social attitude that is both spurred and perpetuated systematically. It should be socially unacceptable and unfathomable to act in such a manner, yet it is not.

Take a look at this site for example- it's full of such things that are routinely ignored, and thus a culture where this sort of thing is acceptable occurs, as nobody thinks twice about making such jokes.

People hide behind their computer and think they're actions are without personal consequence. Think again.

[Soloman]

and I disagree with that assumption if they hide on the internet do they hide in real life or does it even matter fight your good fight but understand it is a futile battle untill there is a complete understanding or a lack of difference in the world people will continue to do things others find offensive or intolerable and as long as people seek attention and the power attention gives they will try and shock it is life so instead of debating and hating the hate back why not spend your mental energies on bricging the gaps and difusing the situation and in this case you do that by not giving what is sought a reaction...

[foolish_yeti]

and I disagree with that assumption if they hide on the internet do they hide in real life or does it even matter fight your good fight but understand it is a futile battle untill there is a complete understanding or a lack of difference in the world people will continue to do things others find offensive or intolerable and as long as people seek attention and the power attention gives they will try and shock it is life so instead of debating and hating the hate back why not spend your mental energies on bricging the gaps and difusing the situation and in this case you do that by not giving what is sought a reaction...

Nobody's looking for a lack of difference in the world...and if they are they'll be waiting forever. Diversity is the key to life and survival. Direspect of difference is not.

You'll never see me get in a debate with these idiots- they probably don't consider themselves racist (homophobic, sexist,etc) and so it's okay to try and make a joke or get a rise out of someone. When confronted, it's- oh, don't worry- I'm not racist (etc.), it's just a joke. You know, immature twelve year old stuff...and I'm certain there are people who actually believe this crap. Anyhoo, as long as someone points out that it's racist (etc.) then I'm happy. I'd love to see the admin here actually doing something about this (it's against the stated rules but never enforced). I don't get in arguments with these idiots but I am against just ignoring this kind of stuff. It really should be an issue for the mods. You're right, arguing with them will have little good unless it is a community effort.