jackal31 [closed]

[jefjef]

can you 2 stop arguing over semantics

Can you please follow the rules - remain on topic - post only if you have something pertinent to add and stop trolling?

As for jackal I think he is being serious with this.

Jefjef, I know the rules. Anyway just trying to stop others from taking away from the point of this thread by arguing over semantics. Neither of you will convince the other person they are right so just stop arguing. You both have validity behind your claims and essentially you are both right depending on how you look at the meaning of words. It is taking away from the point of this thread and is why i posted. You might want to look up trolling if you think thats what my previous post was.

Taking away from the point of thread? Did you even read it or just focus on me? This thread is SPECIFICALLY about jackal and woodruff and his career.

You have yet to add a singlee thing to this thread other than agreeing that woodruff and I are on topic. Please cease your trolling.

Mr C this is not a spurious joke thread. The rule came into question. Jackal was made to believe he violated it by those that are twisting the true intent of it. But yes your colorful posts are indirectly baiting and flaming.

Here are some examples of your colorful non flames...

is a sanctimonious litttle twerp.
"Look how fucking virtuous I am."
hoist the bastard by his own petard

Perhaps you should also be held to the "full letter of the law"

[Woodruff]

As a poster who discussed what the nature of posts here may reflect about someone's real character and abilities to do a job that requires instruction on real character...

when a poster posts information about a career, then uses the nature of a career position being sacred to justify flaming attacks on anyone who disagrees or mildly teases, then the poster is using the nature of the career to justify any unwarranted behavior.

Stop right there. What the hell are you talking about? I did not at all use the nature of my career to justify any unwarranted behavior. I think it'd be nice if you'd just realize that you screwed up and admit it, as jackal31 believes he has (to be determined, and I don't personally think he crossed any serious lines).

[Woodruff]

I agree....but the rule says "Don't ever post personal information of other users. Anywhere. Ever. Even if they already posted it somewhere else"....and that would include the personal profile page.

Well his career that is repeatedly referred to by him and is encouraged by CC to be wall displayed and is by woodruffs choice is not personal information.

That doesn't actually make sense, jefjef. It's still personal information...it's simply personal information that I have disclosed voluntarily.

You making it public makes not personal. You having it on your wall makes it not personal. CC having a spot to encourage people to post their OCCUPATION makes it not personal.

They also have a spot for age and location which are also "personal" unless you willingly divulge that info. If CC actually decides to punish this I am going to fill this forum with people discussing age, location, etc...

And quite frankly I do not believe you are a teacher. I'm also do not believe I am 21 or living on a dirt road.

Long story short. A career can hardly be considered personal info by CC especially when they encourage the sharing of that info. It's also very harmless information.

jefjef, you're still missing the real meat of the issue:
Woodruff using his career - which requires displaying leadership to minors - to justify his abusive posts on this site, is what not only made it "not personal" but ALSO invited discussion of the character he displays to minors.

I have never used my career to justify any abusive posts, stahrgazer. I wish you'd stop making this shit up.

My posts weren't particularly nasty

Wrong. Your posts were very nasty, and absolutely out of the bounds of what should be posted on the forum. Your posts were entirely irrelevant to the case that was being looked at. In fact, a C&A moderator stated as much and asked you to stop. As I have stated several times, I tend to agree with jefjef's statements regarding my job. What you did, stahrgazer, went far and above that. And apparently, you want to bring it over to this thread too.

I don't believe I should be considered to have violated a rule by discussing information that woodruff was trying to use to justify his displays here. By using his career to justify his posts, I fully believe that woodruff invited discussion of his career; and how his nasty posts might reflect questionably on that career.

I HAVE NEVER USED MY CAREER TO JUSTIFY MY POSTS, STAHRGAZER. Ever. I don't know why you can't get that through your head.

If I'd been full of praise and glory, I'm positive woodruff wouldn't take issue with a post about his career

Gee, I can't imagine why I'd possibly see that in a different light. Do you even think about what you're saying before you post it?

[stahrgazer]

Woodruff, you were trying to justify your foul language by saying you were protecting the (questionable, as I have indicated) reputation of your skills, which is the same as trying to use your career to justify your foul language.

Further, you, not I, brought that discussion into this thread:

I will say though that I don't think it's particularly relevant to the case, since that thread against me is for what I have posted in these fora and not what I do outside of these fora. So as to the usefulness of referencing it...it doesn't seem useful or valuable information.

I do, however, have serious problems with how that information has been used to attack my capabilities in my job within that thread.

I merely clarified what I had said vs. what jackal said, and why I believe the information was pertinent to the discussion at hand because, once again, YOU had brought it up as the (feeble) excuse for the nastiness that OP had stated concerns about.

Finally, I didn't attack you. I pointed out discrepancies in character displayed by your posts on a site full of minors, some of which are the very age you are supposed to be leading by showing a better example; and some of whom could be those very cadets; and I pointed out that if I were a parent or principal, I wouldn't think "bragging rights" extends to let an educator "brag" by showing student videos on a site where that same "educator" uses the type of nastiness you have repeatedly exhibited.

[Woodruff]

Woodruff, you were trying to justify your foul language by saying you were protecting the (questionable, as I have indicated) reputation of your skills, which is the same as trying to use your career to justify your foul language.

Stop fucking calling the reputation of my skills questionable, you ignorant bitch. I am fucking sick of this from you. You have been asked nicely to stop, including by a moderator. So clearly that didn't work. Put a fucking halt to it.

Further, I did respond to statements made ABOUT my skills. I did not in any way try to use my career to justify my foul language. I'm sorry, but this is just a ludicrous claim on your part, and completely without merit.

Further, you, not I, brought that discussion into this thread:

I will say though that I don't think it's particularly relevant to the case, since that thread against me is for what I have posted in these fora and not what I do outside of these fora. So as to the usefulness of referencing it...it doesn't seem useful or valuable information.

By saying that it wasn't useful or valuable information, I'm bringing it into the thread, so you can attack me with it? Egad.

I merely clarified what I had said vs. what jackal said, and why I believe the information was pertinent to the discussion at hand because, once again, YOU had brought it up as the (feeble) excuse for the nastiness that OP had stated concerns about.

No, I did not use it as an excuse. Stop saying that. It only makes you look like you have an axe to grind against me.

Finally, I didn't attack you.

This is quite simply a lie. Period.

[rdsrds2120]

Simply. Stop. If you don't have anything to add to this case of jackal v jackal that doesn't concern him or focuses directly on any of the rules he's accusing himself of breaking, please refrain from posting. The last couple posts I've seen have been simply out of order and immature. Geesh,

-rd

[stahrgazer]

Simply. Stop. If you don't have anything to add to this case of jackal v jackal that doesn't concern him or focuses directly on any of the rules he's accusing himself of breaking, please refrain from posting. The last couple posts I've seen have been simply out of order and immature. Geesh,

-rd

rds, since jackal is accusing himself based on saying, 'stahr may have a point' then what I said and what he said applies to this case.

Woodruff, I suggest you take some self-honesty classes.

[jefjef]

This

Stop fucking calling the reputation of my skills questionable, you ignorant bitch.

requires more than just

Simply. Stop. If you don't have anything to add to this case of jackal v jackal that doesn't concern him or focuses directly on any of the rules he's accusing himself of breaking, please refrain from posting. The last couple posts I've seen have been simply out of order and immature. Geesh,

-rd

[rdsrds2120]

And it will probably get more, but for now, that is all I can do as this is not my Dept. Carry on!

-rd

[Evil Semp]

At least it will stop in this thread for awhile.

[king achilles]

jackal31, if you want to report yourself because of a forum post/s, if it concerns flaming and other forum violations, report those posts by clicking on the exclamation mark inside the upside down triangle of that particular post you are reporting.

With regards to the personal information ruling, the spirit of the rule is personally identifying information, not just 'personal information'---I.E., can the information be used to harass/bully/track someone down. I may say I work as a teacher. This is sort of personal information, but not personally identifying information. Personally identifying information would be if I said, I am a teacher of Music in Berkeley University for class 101 or my phone number is ....

Again, report the forum post that you think violated the forum guidelines and a mod for that forum will look into it. If you have already done that, good for you. I am moving this to closed.