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Postby Ruben Cassar on Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:40 am

boberz wrote:yeah at last something we all agree on and not only that it is a very interesting subject. The real winners of the war were Russia and USA who both became superpowers at the end of the war. The rest of us are screwed compared to where we were.


The Cold War is all the Americans fault in my opinion. Churchill knew that the Russians were not to be trusted. He tried to warn the American president that they were not to be trusted but he liked Stalin and trusted him.

Churchill predicted what would happen even before World War II ended. He knew that the Russians would be a threat in the future. Unfortunately the Americans realised this too late and the Russians never withdrew from the territories they conquered from the Germans thus creating the iron curtain and the Warsaw Pact.

Britain's Empire was sacrificed for the war. It paid America huge loans for the military support it received. I believe they are still paying some of them to this day, so do not think American support did not come at a price. Of course after the war with Britain, France and Germany severely weakened the Russians and the Americans emerged as the new super powers and a new world order had been created.
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Postby Ruben Cassar on Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:44 am

spinwizard wrote:the Uckrainiens (sp) lost the 2nd most amount of ppl in WW2


Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union at that time. Ukraine's death count is part of the Soviet Union's 27 million deaths.

Btw the Russians lost so many people because of Stalin as well. Many lives could have been saved, especially towards the end of the war but he wanted to reach Berlin before the US/UK forces and many soldiers' lives were sacrificed to achieve this.
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Postby spinwizard on Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:45 am

Ruben Cassar wrote:
spinwizard wrote:the Uckrainiens (sp) lost the 2nd most amount of ppl in WW2


Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union at that time. Ukraine's death count is part of the Soviet Union's 27 million deaths.

Btw the Russians lost so many people because of Stalin as well. Many lives could have been saved, especially towards the end of the war but he wanted to reach Berlin before the US/UK forces and many soldiers' lives were sacrificed to achieve this.

still, it lost a hell of alot of ppl and is not reqenised
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Postby boberz on Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:14 pm

did you know the british government spend the same annualy on debt interest payments (not paying them back) as they do on education and we do not spend a penny on repayments; just me or does this sound thick
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Postby luckiekevin on Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:38 am

Having the biggest empire is nothing to brag about.. In fact it's something that those respective powers should be ashamed of
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Postby hulmey on Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:29 am

why is that luckie???

I think its amazing.....Look at the problems today for example in Iraq....How does one country manage so many?

Or sometimes one person like Stalin did for Russia or how Hitler brain washed a nation!!!

Or how President Bush of USA dumped the World into thinking Iraq had WMD!!!

Dont you think its incrediable?
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Postby Skittles! on Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:32 am

hulmey wrote:why is that luckie???

I think its amazing.....Look at the problems today for example in Iraq....How does one country manage so many?

Or sometimes one person like Stalin did for Russia or how Hitler brain washed a nation!!!

Or how President Bush of USA dumped the World into thinking Iraq had WMD!!!

Dont you think its incrediable?


I hope you are being sarcastic.
But if you're not:
Stalin killed millions, for what? Oppression, I think, I dono, don't know much about Stalin and the Soviet Union except for where it was.

Hitler, killed millions again, for what? Because he thought Germans were the supierior race.

How is it incredible about what G.W.Bush Jr. did?
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Postby hulmey on Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:59 am

1 man led the world into a war against another country on a lie...Isnt that amazing?

Could you do it?
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Postby Skittles! on Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:37 am

hulmey wrote:1 man led the world into a war against another country on a lie...Isnt that amazing?

Could you do it?


Well, yes, that is amazing, in some ways. But killing is not fun.

And, no, I could not do that, as my government would not be that stupid to actually think of that lie.
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Postby hulmey on Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:43 am

Are you joking ????

The biggest tyrant of all times is in power in your country...That howard guy hahaha
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Postby boberz on Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:44 am

i think what hulmey means is how interesting it is that it could/can be done and they are interesting case studies i hope he doe not think we should all try to replicate it and can we please get back onto the map, are there any other suggestions

also nobody has answered my earlier question as to why it should not be changed because you cannot see a difference as it will only take about 15 minutes
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Postby Qwert on Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:15 am

Back in history talk guys, Iraq still not part of history, these war is not over yet, and better to talk of ww2 and not war in iraq.
I just can say that these war dont bring nothing good bouth country, from 1 side civilian died, and from other side many 18 years boys died in far away from hes country for what? That will we know after 15-20 years when these war become part of history like Vietnam War.
Now back to history of ww2 please.
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Postby boberz on Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:33 am

why back to history of ww2 why not back to your map
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Postby Ruben Cassar on Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:13 am

boberz wrote:why back to history of ww2 why not back to your map


Probably he is more interested in WWII discussions until the poll is over. ;)
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Postby Qwert on Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:57 am

Yes, im still wait to poll over and we still have 4 more days for finish vote.
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Postby hulmey on Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:23 am

\Yeah boberz it apperas you got a lot of negativity against QWERT!!!!

Are you just interested in be-litling his maps????

Are you here to try and make sure his maps never appear on CC ordo you really take a interest in his maps?
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Postby AndyDufresne on Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:44 pm

Well that was a nice history lesson on empires. Lets get back onto the map topic, mmkay? ;)


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Postby Selin on Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:42 pm

Could someone explain me the difference between A and B? I don't see anything different. :twisted:
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Postby Qwert on Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:47 pm

Selin you can ask Guiscard, or bue magnifyin glasses like i did too see diference.
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Postby Guiscard on Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:03 am

Selin wrote:Could someone explain me the difference between A and B? I don't see anything different. :twisted:


A has jagged pixellated borders on the river and the coast and B has these borders smoothed out so they don't look so sharp and pixellated.
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Postby boberz on Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:45 am

hulmey wrote:\Yeah boberz it apperas you got a lot of negativity against QWERT!!!!

Are you just interested in be-litling his maps????

Are you here to try and make sure his maps never appear on CC ordo you really take a interest in his maps?


yes i do because only a couple of months ago i was just like you hulmey supporting and defending him but eventually it gets too much and whilst the history lessons are interesting they belong in the social forum i believe we should discuss other changes now

Lots of people seem to be under the impression that if and when these borders are smoothed the map will be immediately quenched as it is there are still other things that people might want to bring up before we even make it back to final forge
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Postby Ruben Cassar on Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:09 pm

So how many days for the poll to end and development to continue?
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Postby Gozar on Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:37 pm

I think this poll is running until the "no change" side is finally slightly ahead.

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Postby Qwert on Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:59 pm

Oficialy poll is over and opcion B win with 52%. I will present smooth FINAL version tomorow, soory who think that is not good, but these will be final version of borders, with no change anymore.
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Postby Spockers on Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:18 pm

qwert wrote:Oficialy poll is over and opcion B win with 52%. I will present smooth FINAL version tomorow, soory who think that is not good, but these will be final version of borders, with no change anymore.


sorry i don't think it quite works like that.

if you do a bad job and people hate it, it wont get forged
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