Commander62890 [1 month ban]

[king sam]

autistic kids can be some of the smartest kids around when they are not in there rage.

I'm confused I thought "animialistic state" would be in their rage. Either way this will be taken into account.
But this doesnt mean make 5 posts about how this could happen, or de-rail the convo down a different non explanation avenue.

Good Advice:

I click into this thread hoping that maybe some of you have posted new evidence that would help the mods in their investigation, but instead, all I am reading is speculation which I believe just hinders them with mountains of crap to wade through. Please let the mods do their job and quit with the speculations...

KS

[trapyoung]

Obviously evidence suggests us leaning one way, and benefit of the doubt is always given if it is there. Go ask anyone that's in jail right now, they will all tell you they are innocent, and have been wrongfully convicted. Doesn't make it so.

You are confusing Shawshank Redemption with real life.

This has remained open to keep open information flow to the community, and for us to continue to look down avenues, ensuring we are leaving no stone unturned, and doing due diligence.

If Commander wishes voice on this concern, and cant due to recent transactions, then their is a method in which he can make sure he is heard. Open an E-Ticket or contact one of the site admin's. As KA said logging into friends accounts is not the correct way to do so and can result in them having actions taken against them.

As it stands now if outstanding evidence is out there then this forum is open for the opportunity to bring light to it so we may balance it with what we already have and check the validity.

How can he contact the site admins if he cannot log online or use a friend's account? Sure he can use an e-ticket but how would they know if the message actually came from Commander or someone who wants to come off as Commander? In the most egregious cases where a perma-ban is available, how would one ensure that their evidence is received and acted upon when contact is through the behind-the-door e-ticket system?

You say you want to bring outstanding evidence in this forum, but you've established many in the community feel he didn't do it and you've conversed with his sitters. The only other party you should probably be in contact with is Commander so that you can ask him questions, such as giving him the opportunity to verify where he was. Instead we get to publicly watch a judicial system where you are "guilty until proven really, really innocent."

It's bullshit. There's no set procedure nor a real desire to create an equitable system. When a thread is opened up accusing a party of misgivings, then perhaps the site should contact that individual and let them know about it so they have the opportunity to challenge the accusation. For example, it is utter bullshit that people living in the same home get busted for multi accounts, strip them of their premiums and then force them to use the e-ticket system or create another account to respond. It is absolutely not clear that you should contact an admin if you have a relative in the same household who will be playing and it is not clear how, what, where or why one use the e-ticket process.

These ad hoc, on a whim rules are just some examples that show this system really needs a fix.

[morff69]

Obviously evidence suggests us leaning one way, and benefit of the doubt is always given if it is there. Go ask anyone that's in jail right now, they will all tell you they are innocent, and have been wrongfully convicted. Doesn't make it so.

You are confusing Shawshank Redemption with real life.

This has remained open to keep open information flow to the community, and for us to continue to look down avenues, ensuring we are leaving no stone unturned, and doing due diligence.

If Commander wishes voice on this concern, and cant due to recent transactions, then their is a method in which he can make sure he is heard. Open an E-Ticket or contact one of the site admin's. As KA said logging into friends accounts is not the correct way to do so and can result in them having actions taken against them.

As it stands now if outstanding evidence is out there then this forum is open for the opportunity to bring light to it so we may balance it with what we already have and check the validity.

How can he contact the site admins if he cannot log online or use a friend's account? Sure he can use an e-ticket but how would they know if the message actually came from Commander or someone who wants to come off as Commander? In the most egregious cases where a perma-ban is available, how would one ensure that their evidence is received and acted upon when contact is through the behind-the-door e-ticket system?

You say you want to bring outstanding evidence in this forum, but you've established many in the community feel he didn't do it and you've conversed with his sitters. The only other party you should probably be in contact with is Commander so that you can ask him questions, such as giving him the opportunity to verify where he was. Instead we get to publicly watch a judicial system where you are "guilty until proven really, really innocent."

It's bullshit. There's no set procedure nor a real desire to create an equitable system. When a thread is opened up accusing a party of misgivings, then perhaps the site should contact that individual and let them know about it so they have the opportunity to challenge the accusation. For example, it is utter bullshit that people living in the same home get busted for multi accounts, strip them of their premiums and then force them to use the e-ticket system or create another account to respond. It is absolutely not clear that you should contact an admin if you have a relative in the same household who will be playing and it is not clear how, what, where or why one use the e-ticket process.

These ad hoc, on a whim rules are just some examples that show this system really needs a fix.

[king sam]

eddie the possibility of someone else using his account is Cleared up from his own words (from a different account)
Subject: Is Commander guilty?

Anyhow, on to more important things.
I live at home (school is 5 mins away) with my parents and my younger brother.
I already told them about this debacle, and they were all sympathetic.
But I guess there's no harm in asking them explicitly whether or not they did this. Not a chance in hell they did, though.
Btw, I rarely log off. Unless a robber comes into my home, no one touches CC. No one.

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How can he contact the site admins if he cannot log online or use a friend's account? Sure he can use an e-ticket but how would they know if the message actually came from Commander or someone who wants to come off as Commander? In the most egregious cases where a perma-ban is available, how would one ensure that their evidence is received and acted upon when contact is through the behind-the-door e-ticket system?

Its actually quite easy, and if you spent more time understanding the details of the site and the rules instead of trying to criticize then maybe you would be better informed. BTW the rules and details covering site policy is open forum for all users, and all users are expected to know them as they are held accountable to following them. The overused argument that you didn’t know you "could or couldn’t do that" holds no merit in the real world when a lawsuit is made against a company for a publicized disclaimer, so why should it here?

You don’t have to log in to access the E-Ticket system. From the home page click on Rules, Click on Support Ticket, fill out the info, explain the situation, enter into a dialog with the mod that responds. We can tell if it is that person or someone else pretending to be. Looking at his account I can tell you once the account was under a temporary ban he was informed how to gain access to his account, and explained the situation. With it publicized on how to deal with an account ban as well as being informed on the next direction to proceed when the ban was put in place I'm curious how you will try to spin it once again to be in his favor of accessing several of his friends accounts to do his bidding.

The E-Ticket isn't a behind the door system, it enters the user and the recipient into private conversation on matters "officially" without negative impacts a public statement can make. Just because it isn't public knowledge of how we do what we do, or the convo's we have had in regards to this matter doesn’t mean things aren't getting done in accordance with how operations are done. There is no "out to get you" clause in place here. And all E-Tickets involving this matter have been and will continue to be monitored, and added as they file in.

You say you want to bring outstanding evidence in this forum, but you've established many in the community feel he didn't do it and you've conversed with his sitters. The only other party you should probably be in contact with is Commander so that you can ask him questions, such as giving him the opportunity to verify where he was. Instead we get to publicly watch a judicial system where you are "guilty until proven really, really innocent."

It's bullshit. There's no set procedure nor a real desire to create an equitable system. When a thread is opened up accusing a party of misgivings, then perhaps the site should contact that individual and let them know about it so they have the opportunity to challenge the accusation. For example, it is utter bullshit that people living in the same home get busted for multi accounts, strip them of their premiums and then force them to use the e-ticket system or create another account to respond. It is absolutely not clear that you should contact an admin if you have a relative in the same household who will be playing and it is not clear how, what, where or why one use the e-ticket process.

These ad hoc, on a whim rules are just some examples that show this system really needs a fix.

Yes outstanding evidence. We all know what evidence is don’t we, I mean eddie even provided a logical reasoning of what may or may not have happened based on something he perceived. Just because 20 or 30 or even 100 people think he is a swell guy and couldn’t have possibly have done this doesn't make it so. Based off of what we see in this case as it presents itself right now all signs point to this being Commander. Conversation line is open between him and admin. If he wishes to continue to provide insight he has the opportunity (E-TICKET / EMAIL). If anyone has credible information to bring to the table to help bring light to why this isn't him then once again the opportunity is there (FORUM / E-TICKET / EMAIL). Credible evidence isn't "Gee, shuck, I think he plays real good and I like him as a person, this wasn’t him."

The forum is open, and shall remain open (barring off topicing forcing a lock) for the remainder of the week to give opportunity for evidence. Its not open for a public crucifixion of the guy. Its an avenue that allows exactly what you are complaining against, the opportunity to challenge the accusation. In this case he has been banned so his opportunity to defend himself is via E-TICKET or EMAIL.

And I'm sorry that you feel we should contact every person accused and inform them of a pending case on them. Maybe this is something we should investigate and spend time on instead of investigating and punishing offenders. I like the trade off don’t you? This isn't a perfect system, we aren't perfect, mistakes are made but majority of the time the rulings made are accurate as the evidence presents. Tons of players on this site share computers and play legitimately here, those who break those rules are identified as such, and it is noticeable. Because you know a guy that swears it was a roommates/significant others/siblings account and he isn't guilty of having more then one account doesn’t mean its true. Another fun fact, 98% of the people BUSTED for multis have an excuse why its not true.

Policy is simple, rules of the site are accessible by all if you violate them then you will be held accountable based on the offense, the escalation tree from previous infractions and if you disagree you have the right to be heard via an appeal. CC has tools in place to facilitate us VOLUNTEERS to find, mitigate, and reprimand in accordance with those rules. Widely known knowledge. No ad hoc, on a whim rules being implemented. Because you don’t agree, or because you aren't privi'd to the tools in our tool box that help us decide on violations doesn't make you right and us wrong.

So once again, if you have problems with how you think things should be different by all means voice your concerns. We have a whole forum set up for that, its called "Suggs & Bugs", take it there. This thread is OPEN for new or other evidence to suggest this wasn’t Commander, not publicity on how it couldn’t be him cause he's a good guy or how you don’t agree with the way things are handled. Failure to listen is only going to cause this to be LOCKED once again, and prevent a viable means for a legit explanation to be made.

KS

[Master Fenrir]

I was in both my Europe 1945-1968 class and at home on my computer at the exact same time! You found out my secret... I can be in two places at once! No, just kidding. I make bad jokes when I'm suppressing my anger. But I really was in class. If this was a real court, I could get my teacher to testify and even point out that he marked me present in class that day.

A question for the hunters:

If Com6 could get a copy of that attendance sheet and scan a copy to the hunters, would that help or would that be deemed too easily fabricated? What if he also provided a copy of an ID, with a name matching the attendance sheet, and the address matching the billing address of the credit card used to buy his premium?

I understand that the above goes above and beyond what usually comes out of these C&A cases and seems a completely ridiculous thing to suggest, but it seems to me that anything short of real-life hard evidence won't help much. Given that hunter tools point to his home computer, I think the best that he could do at this point is prove that he did not have access to his home computer in the point-dumping time frame.

[greenoaks]

I was in both my Europe 1945-1968 class and at home on my computer at the exact same time! You found out my secret... I can be in two places at once! No, just kidding. I make bad jokes when I'm suppressing my anger. But I really was in class. If this was a real court, I could get my teacher to testify and even point out that he marked me present in class that day.

A question for the hunters:

If Com6 could get a copy of that attendance sheet and scan a copy to the hunters, would that help or would that be deemed too easily fabricated? What if he also provided a copy of an ID, with a name matching the attendance sheet, and the address matching the billing address of the credit card used to buy his premium?

I understand that the above goes above and beyond what usually comes out of these C&A cases and seems a completely ridiculous thing to suggest, but it seems to me that anything short of real-life hard evidence won't help much. Given that hunter tools point to his home computer, I think the best that he could do at this point is prove that he did not have access to his home computer in the point-dumping time frame.

why would that help ?

the Admins/Multi Hunters have determined the infraction came from Comm's pc. Com is responsible for his account regardless of whether he was there or not. that his why he keeps being warned to stop posting using his 'friends' accounts because they will get punished for his actions.

proving he was not at his pc at the time of the point-dump is irrelevant.

requesting leniancy for foolishly (in hindsight) leaving CC accessable when not around and having a family member (as posted tactfully/tactlessly by eddie2) who may log on and cause harm, intentionally or unintentionally, might be a better way to go. at least imho.

i'm not saying he is guilty, i'm not saying his family is guilty. just that people don't tell the truth, and yes, i watch House.

[eddie2]

eddie the possibility of someone else using his account is Cleared up from his own words (from a different account)
Subject: Is Commander guilty?

Anyhow, on to more important things.
I live at home (school is 5 mins away) with my parents and my younger brother.
I already told them about this debacle, and they were all sympathetic.
But I guess there's no harm in asking them explicitly whether or not they did this. Not a chance in hell they did, though.
Btw, I rarely log off. Unless a robber comes into my home, no one touches CC. No one.

I'm confused I thought "animialistic state" would be in their rage. Either way this will be taken into account.

i think you really need to look up the facts around certain types of autism. although commander says it was no family member you can not take that as a fact. I used to swear my 16 year old did not drink, and would challenge anybody that said he did. but low and behold i seen him pissed in town last weekend. when he was meant to be sleeping at a friends house. When it come to family members you are going to protect them.

that state is at the height of the temper. when things calm down they can still do stuff they know will affect the person they were originally mad at.

[king sam]

you need to watch how your "quoting" eddie...

this didnt come from me

i think you really need to look up the facts around certain types of autism. although commander says it was no family member you can not take that as a fact. I used to swear my 16 year old did not drink, and would challenge anybody that said he did. but low and behold i seen him pissed in town last weekend. when he was meant to be sleeping at a friends house. When it come to family members you are going to protect them.

either way I asked not to beat this down. It was a point that you brought up, and given the fact of the matter surrounding the depth that it would require to do this, and the fact that he stated
(albeit from Dustine's account) this is not true. Mute point. This infraction was not done via a family member. Move on, and watch how you quote.

KS

[trapyoung]

eddie the possibility of someone else using his account is Cleared up from his own words (from a different account)
Subject: Is Commander guilty?

Anyhow, on to more important things.
I live at home (school is 5 mins away) with my parents and my younger brother.
I already told them about this debacle, and they were all sympathetic.
But I guess there's no harm in asking them explicitly whether or not they did this. Not a chance in hell they did, though.
Btw, I rarely log off. Unless a robber comes into my home, no one touches CC. No one.

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How can he contact the site admins if he cannot log online or use a friend's account? Sure he can use an e-ticket but how would they know if the message actually came from Commander or someone who wants to come off as Commander? In the most egregious cases where a perma-ban is available, how would one ensure that their evidence is received and acted upon when contact is through the behind-the-door e-ticket system?

Its actually quite easy, and if you spent more time understanding the details of the site and the rules instead of trying to criticize then maybe you would be better informed. BTW the rules and details covering site policy is open forum for all users, and all users are expected to know them as they are held accountable to following them. The overused argument that you didn’t know you "could or couldn’t do that" holds no merit in the real world when a lawsuit is made against a company for a publicized disclaimer, so why should it here?

You don’t have to log in to access the E-Ticket system. From the home page click on Rules, Click on Support Ticket, fill out the info, explain the situation, enter into a dialog with the mod that responds. We can tell if it is that person or someone else pretending to be. Looking at his account I can tell you once the account was under a temporary ban he was informed how to gain access to his account, and explained the situation. With it publicized on how to deal with an account ban as well as being informed on the next direction to proceed when the ban was put in place I'm curious how you will try to spin it once again to be in his favor of accessing several of his friends accounts to do his bidding.

The E-Ticket isn't a behind the door system, it enters the user and the recipient into private conversation on matters "officially" without negative impacts a public statement can make. Just because it isn't public knowledge of how we do what we do, or the convo's we have had in regards to this matter doesn’t mean things aren't getting done in accordance with how operations are done. There is no "out to get you" clause in place here. And all E-Tickets involving this matter have been and will continue to be monitored, and added as they file in.

You say you want to bring outstanding evidence in this forum, but you've established many in the community feel he didn't do it and you've conversed with his sitters. The only other party you should probably be in contact with is Commander so that you can ask him questions, such as giving him the opportunity to verify where he was. Instead we get to publicly watch a judicial system where you are "guilty until proven really, really innocent."

It's bullshit. There's no set procedure nor a real desire to create an equitable system. When a thread is opened up accusing a party of misgivings, then perhaps the site should contact that individual and let them know about it so they have the opportunity to challenge the accusation. For example, it is utter bullshit that people living in the same home get busted for multi accounts, strip them of their premiums and then force them to use the e-ticket system or create another account to respond. It is absolutely not clear that you should contact an admin if you have a relative in the same household who will be playing and it is not clear how, what, where or why one use the e-ticket process.

These ad hoc, on a whim rules are just some examples that show this system really needs a fix.

Yes outstanding evidence. We all know what evidence is don’t we, I mean eddie even provided a logical reasoning of what may or may not have happened based on something he perceived. Just because 20 or 30 or even 100 people think he is a swell guy and couldn’t have possibly have done this doesn't make it so. Based off of what we see in this case as it presents itself right now all signs point to this being Commander. Conversation line is open between him and admin. If he wishes to continue to provide insight he has the opportunity (E-TICKET / EMAIL). If anyone has credible information to bring to the table to help bring light to why this isn't him then once again the opportunity is there (FORUM / E-TICKET / EMAIL). Credible evidence isn't "Gee, shuck, I think he plays real good and I like him as a person, this wasn’t him."

The forum is open, and shall remain open (barring off topicing forcing a lock) for the remainder of the week to give opportunity for evidence. Its not open for a public crucifixion of the guy. Its an avenue that allows exactly what you are complaining against, the opportunity to challenge the accusation. In this case he has been banned so his opportunity to defend himself is via E-TICKET or EMAIL.

And I'm sorry that you feel we should contact every person accused and inform them of a pending case on them. Maybe this is something we should investigate and spend time on instead of investigating and punishing offenders. I like the trade off don’t you? This isn't a perfect system, we aren't perfect, mistakes are made but majority of the time the rulings made are accurate as the evidence presents. Tons of players on this site share computers and play legitimately here, those who break those rules are identified as such, and it is noticeable. Because you know a guy that swears it was a roommates/significant others/siblings account and he isn't guilty of having more then one account doesn’t mean its true. Another fun fact, 98% of the people BUSTED for multis have an excuse why its not true.

Policy is simple, rules of the site are accessible by all if you violate them then you will be held accountable based on the offense, the escalation tree from previous infractions and if you disagree you have the right to be heard via an appeal. CC has tools in place to facilitate us VOLUNTEERS to find, mitigate, and reprimand in accordance with those rules. Widely known knowledge. No ad hoc, on a whim rules being implemented. Because you don’t agree, or because you aren't privi'd to the tools in our tool box that help us decide on violations doesn't make you right and us wrong.

So once again, if you have problems with how you think things should be different by all means voice your concerns. We have a whole forum set up for that, its called "Suggs & Bugs", take it there. This thread is OPEN for new or other evidence to suggest this wasn’t Commander, not publicity on how it couldn’t be him cause he's a good guy or how you don’t agree with the way things are handled. Failure to listen is only going to cause this to be LOCKED once again, and prevent a viable means for a legit explanation to be made.

KS

tl;dr

[Squirly]

so he needs to provide evidence that proves him innocent, correct?

Did CC provide him the evidence that they believe has proven him guilty?

I assume they did but I don't know.

[trapyoung]

Duxbury, a legal philosopher from Oxford, has commented on the theory of legal realism that a judicial system that makes a well reasoned, but poor decision is superior to one that may make a good decision, but appears unprincipled. My point has been that the lack of transparency in the process is staggering. You are volunteers and you all are human, so there is no reason to act holier than thou with regard to the community and that is the exact appearance you give off.

I have argued for transparency and your above post just reinforces the fact there is none. Decisions are made (often poorly) on the basis on personal, subjective reviews focusing on personal animosity instead of fulfilling actual principles of the site.

Take the Calidmr avatar abuse, one of the worst rulings in CC history because the accused was a mod who was in good favor with many (if not all) of the other mods and the complainant, Owenshooter, was just plainly disliked by many volunteers of the site. It effected the ruling and it shouldn't have.

All I am arguing for is the "well reasoned" aspect so that the community gets to understand why a decision was made, meaning the evidence and the parties should be given an opportunity to air their position.

Maybe to you, it's just a "mute [sic] point", but to me it is far from moot.

[ljex]

Where is the motive?

I am a wreck. I spent all day thinking about this and talking to my parents about it. We don't know how to prove it to you.

KA, how can I possibly go from spending 3-4 hours per day on CC to... not?

This is my life.

I should clarify: I don't spend 3-4 hours goofing around (although I do read the GD and Clan forums).

This is like a job for me. I don't "play" games. I do work.

The thought of joining games and then deadbeating sickens me. For one thing, it would hurt my stats, including my "percentage of turns taken" ratio. That kind of stuff is important to me.

Additionally, I am very hard on my teammates and very hard on myself.
I expect no mistakes from teammates and none from myself.
When I fucked up badly in the game with Fenrir, I was so upset with myself that I asked him to foe me as punishment.
And that was just one game.

I would not, under any circumstances, SUICIDE in 10-15 games. Are you out of your fucking minds?

Even if you did not know me prior to this event, from what you have read thus far about me, you should realize that the idea is repulsive and... unimaginable.

This is all one big joke to me, because it's not something I would ever, under any circumstances, even if you paid me $100 to do it, try.

My teammates are my friends and this game is my life.

Why would I ruin everything I have worked on for the past few years? Why?


Is there any chance, even if it is 1/1000, that their equipment is incorrect?

Because I do not see any other option.

My 14-year-old autistic brother does not have the skills nor the inclination to start Conquer Club games. Try again

My brother has severe deficiencies. He can't even play board games. He is mentally incapable of doing this.

[king sam]

KS statement

tl;dr

Warning sent for Trolling. If you cant add anything insightful to the conversation to help for against the accused then be a bystander, or take it to a different forum.

This is an active case in which he was innocent until the evidence presented itself otherwise. The information was gathered, looked at, and ruled upon. This remains open for views other then we have seen to surface showing how another explanation can be made. If a credible one is made that shows a probability for another explanation besides Commander doing this then it will be corrected.

This is open for his cause, so if your truly worried about this and want to help, look, and provide insight on other possible variables, as we will continue to search and listen, and will continue to listen to him (via E-TICKET's) and the community (via here).

Continuing to take this off topic will only result in this being locked and taking away an asset that could help commander's cause.

KS

[ljex]

KS statement

tl;dr

Warning sent for Trolling. If you cant add anything insightful to the conversation to help for against the accused then be a bystander, or take it to a different forum.

This is an active case in which he was innocent until the evidence presented itself otherwise. The information was gathered, looked at, and ruled upon. This remains open for views other then we have seen to surface showing how another explanation can be made. If a credible one is made that shows a probability for another explanation besides Commander doing this then it will be corrected.

This is open for his cause, so if your truly worried about this and want to help, look, and provide insight on other possible variables, as we will continue to search and listen, and will continue to listen to him (via E-TICKET's) and the community (via here).

Continuing to take this off topic will only result in this being locked and taking away an asset that could help commander's cause.

KS

KS come on, you should know better than to be the one to warn him after you were the one in the thread having the conversation with him and it was your post he responded to with that.

Anyway im still confused how you know it was him but how you know it wasnt someone from his family...you have still yet to give any explanation for why he would point dump. This is kinda a joke actually and not good at all for the site, commander62890 was a very active member and has never had any issues with the site before in terms of gaming infractions. Its a joke that you say he needs to provide evidence as to how it was not him but give no indication as to what that might be or even tell him what evidence you have against him.

/me waits patiently for my warning for trolling

[king sam]

What exactly do you want. You want use to spell out for you exactly the methods in which we have that put him at the crime. Sure in a normal system of law that is all good and dandy, but if it were spelled out exactly what we have that place him as doing this then its opening up the systems and tools that we use to be beat.

This isnt new. We dont divulge the ways we do business, we have methods that ensure the security of the rules on this site are upheld. Facts are facts, and the facts to this case implicate him, his computer.
Bottom line. I dont know the guy, I have no qualms, no beef, no bias opinion here. I see what the other hunters have seen and I agree with the assessment the team is made.

With all the racking of our heads we cant find another possible explanation. You think we want this to be true, if that were the case wouldnt we have Closed this and moved on by now.

We are leaving this open for people, you the community to enlighten us, granted you dont see or know the tools we do, but as explained theres due reason for that. 2 posts above you he says it wasnt from a relative POSTED BY YOU.

And for the record, yes Warning sent to trapyoung, its been said in this thread several times to keep the focus in the right areas, if you want to bash our process, bash us, bash the system here. Go ahead, just dont do it here. To post a quote just to say "too long; didnt read", it wouldnt matter if it came from me or whomever. It was a violation, and posted in the open to show the community to keep it on topic for the last time.

KS

[ljex]

What exactly do you want. You want use to spell out for you exactly the methods in which we have that put him at the crime. Sure in a normal system of law that is all good and dandy, but if it were spelled out exactly what we have that place him as doing this then its opening up the systems and tools that we use to be beat.

This isnt new. We dont divulge the ways we do business, we have methods that ensure the security of the rules on this site are upheld. Facts are facts, and the facts to this case implicate him, his computer.
Bottom line. I dont know the guy, I have no qualms, no beef, no bias opinion here. I see what the other hunters have seen and I agree with the assessment the team is made.

With all the racking of our heads we cant find another possible explanation. You think we want this to be true, if that were the case wouldnt we have Closed this and moved on by now.

We are leaving this open for people, you the community to enlighten us, granted you dont see or know the tools we do, but as explained theres due reason for that. 2 posts above you he says it wasnt from a relative POSTED BY YOU.

And for the record, yes Warning sent to trapyoung, its been said in this thread several times to keep the focus in the right areas, if you want to bash our process, bash us, bash the system here. Go ahead, just dont do it here. To post a quote just to say "too long; didnt read", it wouldnt matter if it came from me or whomever. It was a violation, and posted in the open to show the community to keep it on topic for the last time.

KS

Why would he point dump the day before he was going on vacation where he could find a computer and point dump from that one and you would never know it was him or have no way of proving it. I know commander, he is not dumb and he is dedicated to this site...this doesnt add up and i dont see why he is going to be banned forever because of this its dumb and i disagree with it.

Anyway i have no quams with the warning trap was given, it just shouldnt have come from you as then it appears more biased then if someone who was not involved in this thread gave it to him.

Simple logic really needs to be used a bit more in my opinion

[king sam]

I couldnt tell you why people do the things you do. We cant take opinion or strategy thought into consideration for evidence on a case. Its judgmental. We deal with the certainties, and the facts all speak a different story then the logical one that everyone has presented.

That is one of the main reasons this has remained open. It doesnt make sense. But the evidence is the evidence, and because this is against his character and doesnt add up doesnt nullify what the facts are stating.

And I agree, and most of the time you will see me step back when a fellow clan member makes a C&A claim so that perception isnt there. But it was a standard violation that overall end result was nothing but a Warning to him, and the community in general. Had it been an escalation beyond a Warning I assure you I would have PM'd another mod to do it.

KS

[40kguy]

Do you know why I'm going to get banned?

Because, if they don't ban me, the only logical conclusion to draw from that is that their equipment is faulty.

I am 100% sure that it was not my computer that did this.

But if CC admits that, they are saying that their information was wrong.

They cannot do that.

Therefore they will ban me, so that they can keep on saying that their IP checking system is 100% foolproof.

I am not saying that I am 100% sure the IP check is faulty. All I am saying is, because I believe no one in my house did this... if the IP check is true, this really narrows down the options. I'm talking about teleporting robbers, and aliens.

All right, that was stupid. But you see where I'm going with this.

I KNOW that no one in my house did this. I personally do not know how the IP check works.

You can see why I would question the authenticity of the IP check, right?

To me, it seems far more likely that the IP check was incorrect or even falsified than that I or someone in my immediate family did this.

You understand where I'm coming from, don't you?

Has it ever accoured to team CC that maybe just maybe there humman made thing is wrong? Look at blakebowling, he dosent have an IP

[IcePack]

I don't have a dog in this race. I don't know commander, I only know of 1 game (possibly more just going off top of my head) that I played quads vs him & others. I dot know or talk to many mods.

My observation to add to the conversation - it's been stated that it doesn't make any sense by both sides. It's been stated all evidence points to his computer. Obsevstions of character and opinions on Comm are discarded as evidence in support of him.

Nobody knows the methods to hunt, nobody on either side has an explanation or ANY physical ability to get real hard evidence besides cc mods as everything else is just guessing or opinion.

So why keep it open? There won't be any evidence added, only more opinions and guesses. Unless there are indeed being taken into consideration I don't see a need for thread / discussion as nothing hard can be presented by anyone without having IP's, logs and whatnot.

Only theories? Maybe I'm missing somethig. Just an observation. I know how frustrated I would be if something like this happened though and couldn't prove innocence.

Either way the rulings going to be argued, no happy medium ground.

Seacrest out.

[40kguy]

I don't have a dog in this race. I don't know commander, I only know of 1 game (possibly more just going off top of my head) that I played quads vs him & others. I dot know or talk to many mods.

My observation to add to the conversation - it's been stated that it doesn't make any sense by both sides. It's been stated all evidence points to his computer. Obsevstions of character and opinions on Comm are discarded as evidence in support of him.

Nobody knows the methods to hunt, nobody on either side has an explanation or ANY physical ability to get real hard evidence besides cc mods as everything else is just guessing or opinion.

So why keep it open? There won't be any evidence added, only more opinions and guesses. Unless there are indeed being taken into consideration I don't see a need for thread / discussion as nothing hard can be presented by anyone without having IP's, logs and whatnot.

Only theories? Maybe I'm missing somethig. Just an observation. I know how frustrated I would be if something like this happened though and couldn't prove innocence.

Either way the rulings going to be argued, no happy medium ground.

Seacrest out.

There keeping it open because there not 100% sure he did it. So why the ban him? i dont know.

[Squirly]

so if I understand correctly, this is still open so we "the community" can try to come up with a way this could happen, other than Com actually doing it himself.

the only problem is that we " the community" don't get to see the evidence.

I think there's something wrong with this picture.

I'm in this thread for the right reasons but it seems "the communities" hands are a bit tied atm.

can CC help us by giving us a little more info other than telling us that their methods are secret but have indicated that he is guilty?

what if someone was stealing his wireless service? wouldn't that come up as the same ip?

[ljex]

so if I understand correctly, this is still open so we "the community" can try to come up with a way this could happen, other than Com actually doing it himself.

the only problem is that we " the community" don't get to see the evidence.

I think there's something wrong with this picture.

I'm in this thread for the right reasons but it seems "the communities" hands are a bit tied atm.

can CC help us by giving us a little more info other than telling us that their methods are secret but have indicated that he is guilty?

what if someone was stealing his wireless service? wouldn't that come up as the same ip?

commander62890 cant see the evidence either just fyi

[Squirly]

so if I understand correctly, this is still open so we "the community" can try to come up with a way this could happen, other than Com actually doing it himself.

the only problem is that we " the community" don't get to see the evidence.

I think there's something wrong with this picture.

I'm in this thread for the right reasons but it seems "the communities" hands are a bit tied atm.

can CC help us by giving us a little more info other than telling us that their methods are secret but have indicated that he is guilty?

what if someone was stealing his wireless service? wouldn't that come up as the same ip?

commander62890 cant see the evidence either just fyi

I asked that earlier but I received no answer

[ljex]

so if I understand correctly, this is still open so we "the community" can try to come up with a way this could happen, other than Com actually doing it himself.

the only problem is that we " the community" don't get to see the evidence.

I think there's something wrong with this picture.

I'm in this thread for the right reasons but it seems "the communities" hands are a bit tied atm.

can CC help us by giving us a little more info other than telling us that their methods are secret but have indicated that he is guilty?

what if someone was stealing his wireless service? wouldn't that come up as the same ip?

commander62890 cant see the evidence either just fyi

I asked that earlier but I received no answer

i believe i already answered that though i may have only intended too, either way its common practice of C&A to not give that away and KS said that in one of his posts

[phantomzero]

Wow, reading through all of this is a little crazy with all of the banter.

When the Police use photo-radar or red light cameras the ticket is sent to the registered owner of that vehicle. It doesn't matter if the registered owner was driving at the time of the infraction, unless their car was reported stolen they are on the hook for the ticket. While I hope there is another explanation and that Commander is not guilty, if the IP from his home computer was taking his turns then it's really his responsibility.