[Abandoned] - Cairo

by **natty dread** on Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:12 am

starting territories 22 / 24

8 players: 2 / 3
6 players: 3 / 4
4 players: 5 / 6

You can see how the 2 territories make a big difference in many game types, when moving from 22 to 24.

by **J to the D** on Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:30 am

You could certainly break up Tahrir square into more territories. From what I understand, all the different groups (muslim brotherhood, students, and at least one other) had their own camps. There was also some division of labor in terms of providing food, breaking rocks, etc. If you want more info let me know and I'll try to dig up the story I heard about it.

by **theBastard** on Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:09 pm

nice google map map :lol:

I agree with natty - 24 regions looks the best.

by **Industrial Helix** on Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:30 pm

J to the D wrote:You could certainly break up Tahrir square into more territories. From what I understand, all the different groups (muslim brotherhood, students, and at least one other) had their own camps. There was also some division of labor in terms of providing food, breaking rocks, etc. If you want more info let me know and I'll try to dig up the story I heard about it.

Well, what I'm aiming for is Tahrir Square to be the crucial territory that determines the game. Tahrir square is where everything went down and it essentially determined the outcome of the revolution. I'd rather keep it one strong territory...

I think I'm going to aim for 20 territories, something ideal for a 5 player, but still accommodates up to 8, as required. I fixed the spelling mistake and removed one Army territory and one anti-gov't protester territory.

Click image to enlarge.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:08 pm

For curiosity's (and gameplay's) sake, why did you decide to put the impassables where you did?

by **Industrial Helix** on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:23 pm

The Egyptian Museum and NDP Building aren't actually that close, I know. I mean, there were worries when the NDP building caught fire that it might spread to the Museum... but I don't think protesters could have gone from one to the other easily. Mugamma building is the same with where the Feb 9th protests are.

The ones off of Talaat Harb Square are there because after the Feb. 2 debacle, the famous man charging the crowd on a camel picture, the army started separating the two groups to avoid violence. I figured it the army had that giant interchange I labeled as their base, they'd have likely barricaded the area to prevent the protests from spreading too far. I know there were clashes on the Kasr al Nile Bridge (got my photo on that bridge

) between army and protesters. I imagine it was blocked off, but I kind of need some connection here.

by **ElricTheGreat** on Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:28 pm

Hi Helix .. thanks for the invite to this thread ...

Quick question for someone new to this forum ...

Is the picture shown below the only look we can get of this potential map?

Where do I go to see the work you have done?

I went to game finder ... sorry if this is a noob question but .... that is how we learn.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:30 pm

ElricTheGreat wrote:Hi Helix .. thanks for the invite to this thread ...

Quick question for someone new to this forum ...

Is the picture shown below the only look we can get of this potential map?

Where do I go to see the work you have done?

I went to game finder ... sorry if this is a noob question but .... that is how we learn.

The first post generally has the latest image. I believe Helix used [bigimg] tags, so if you only see part of the map and a scroll bar, just click on the picture to see the whole thing. Always nice to see a new face in the Foundry

by **Industrial Helix** on Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:05 am

What VS said... everything you should need to know is on the first page, click the image to see the whole thing. We've got to make both small and large maps, what you're seeing is the large map.

You're not obligated to follow the conversations I've already had with other people about the map, so don't feel bad for possibly being repetitive or not having read the whole thread. Just take a look at the image and share your thoughts. Thanks!

by **rjhankey** on Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:26 pm

I like the concept - and I'm glad the CC rules don't prevent this map from coming into existence!

Here's a noob question -- do the troop colors on the map signify where a certain color starts, or are they there for reference purposes?

I'm guessing that in an 8-player game, each player would get 2 terts to start with, and there would be four neutrals? Or, 1 tert per player and 12 neutrals?

I think we're going to find that the map lends itself to grabbing one of the three bonus territories, so an 8 or 5 player game will tend to gravitate to a 3 player showdown for all the marbles. That's not a negative, just an observation of how I think gameplay will proceed.

I'm thinking the anti-gov bonus could be 3 though, given the amount of territory they need to hold and the number of places they can be broken?

by **Industrial Helix** on Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:20 pm

The color of the numbers are there just for reference, just to see how the numbers are going to show up on the map.

As for upping the yellow bonus to 3... I can do that.

by **rjhankey** on Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:46 pm

Thanks for the color clarification! Were my hunches correct on how terts would be distributed in an 8-player game?

by **Industrial Helix** on Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:49 pm

rjhankey wrote:Thanks for the color clarification! Were my hunches correct on how terts would be distributed in an 8-player game?

They are.... at least I think they are. These things are decided on by CC, which has a sort of method of doing things. I spoke iwth a few people who know more about it than I and this is what they indicated.

by **Riskismy** on Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:54 pm

Industrial Helix wrote: (in Design Brief)
Ideally, Anti-gov't protesters should be the easier of the bonuses to hold with the best payoff.

Why is that?
I'm not exactly opposed to the idea of having some areas more coveted and thus fought over more than others, but on such a small map this could lend a winning advantage to whoever happens to drop near this area. I'd consider that decision very carefully.

by **Industrial Helix** on Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:33 pm

That is because they won the revolution... so far. Being the anti-government demonstrators payed off historically, therefore it should pay off in the game by having easily defensible borders and the most quickly attained bonus. It needs to act like Australia or South America on this map.

by **Riskismy** on Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:12 pm

gotcha.

In that case you might even want to up the bonus for the anti-gov faction, or lower the bonus for pro-faction:

Anti: 4 territories with 5 points of attack.
Pro: 4 territories with 4 points of attack.

In other words, it's easier to keep the pro-faction than the anti-faction - and equally easy to get them. Maybe have it like this:

Army + 4
Anti +3
Pro +2
gov buildings +3 for 4, alternatively +2 for 3

by **mr. CD** on Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:18 pm

First of all I'd like to give you my compliments for this map, it looks astonishing and the idea is brilliant.
You said Anti-Government was easier to gain and to hold, yet Pro-goverment demonstrators consists of 4 regions too, but only has two regions bordering 4 other regions instead of 3 regions bordering 5.
Of course giving a bonus of 3 for this would make it more beneficial to hold, but I'd think having Pro-goverment would give a person a better shot at the game than Anti-Government.

~CD

Edit: Just saw Riskismy said something similar to me, but well...

by **Industrial Helix** on Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:42 pm

OK, bonuses adjusted and a few other tweaks made.

Click image to enlarge.

by **DJENRE** on Sun Mar 06, 2011 2:48 am

Nice work, so did you sort out the problem about recent war?

And can we use that kind of photo maps?

Just to know cause I had an idea too about another "revolt". U could use it if you want or we could do it together if you want.

Pm me if needed.

by **Industrial Helix** on Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:47 am

Yeah, recent conflicts have been ok'd by Andy.

by **rdsrds2120** on Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:27 pm

Wow! Another great looking map! I love it because it's small, those games on Doodle Earth only get so great

The way this moves and is laid out, it would make for some interesting gameplay (it's very linear) relative to other small maps. I support it.

-rd

by **Industrial Helix** on Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:21 pm

Thanks for the support!

by **FarangDemon** on Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:24 am

Excellent idea! I love how it looks, too, especially the photos of the protests.
I think this is a great example of how a map can make you feel like you are experiencing history.
That's why we added photos to Second Indochina War.

by **FarangDemon** on Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:45 pm

I have an actual suggestion now. It may help add to the mood by adding something written in Arabic near the title or in the background.

Either "Cairo" or "Days of Revolt: Cairo" or something like that. I did notice there is already Arabic writing in graffiti in one photo, but maybe it would be nice to have the title in Arabic as well.

by **danfrank** on Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:43 pm

natty_dread wrote:I know it's not actually a war and it's already over in a sense, but it is a recent event, it could be somewhat controversial...

.

I would have to agree. This could easily lead to those bad game chat threads that you mods all love.

On a positive note although i do not play doodle or lux that often seeing a few knifty 20 tert maps to fill the niche would be exciting.