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[brandoncfi]

I have just seen this thread so I have not had time to read all comments but in short to me the purpose of a tourney is to win that is what I did.
Lose the battle win the war-Sun Tzu "The Art of War" I will respond to individual comments after work

[40kguy]

i dont think it was a dumb thing. however it was against CC rules, I think it might get a warning or a note.

[Night Strike]

eddie, jp has never been a TD and was only a member of the group for discussions and consultations. Jp has never done TD tasks nor made decisions concerning tournament policies. He has provided me with his opinion on issues before in private (not in this case), but that doesn't meant he is the one making the final decision nor does he have to agree with the final decision.

[josko.ri]

no cheating here. sonicsteve said good, cheating would be if he threw the game with goal to somone other win. but he threw the gamewith goal that he wins entire tourney. turney is much bigger goal than single game, and if loosing single game helps you to win the tourney, then it shouldnt be forbidden.

about adding it to tournament rules section, it should be done I think.

[murphy16]

And as for it not being in tournament rules, it is therefore cheating...In my opinion that is.

[TheForgivenOne]

I probably won't play this kind of tournament if you can't try to win the tournament in a whole but instead you have to focus on winning that particular game.

[Evil Semp]

I am not convinced that brandoncfi threw the game. If brandoncfi had eliminated murphy would we even be discussing this?

The following attacks are all on my stacks that would have kept me alive to cash.

You say that he placed and attacked all your stacks, but if you are going to try to eliminate someone wouldn't you place to take out their stacks? How many armies did you have left after he finished his turn? Regretfully the log doesn't give us that information. You had about ten countries left, did they all have 1's on them?
Was it at that point of the game where brandoncfi decided it was time to poop or get off pot. With the play order it worked out in brandoncfi's favor, if he falls short of eliminating murphy then magiiiiic might have a shot.

[quote=murphy16"]This here is what was said in the game chat to show that the accused threw the game.

2011-02-19 13:09:22 - brandoncfi: Win win blue you win the game I win the tourney

brandoncfi fell short and he want magiiiiic to take a shot and he want to prod him.

If I thought that brandoncfi didn't have a chance to win the game I could agree with this report, but like I said I have not been convinced.

Brandoncfi is CLEARED.

[Serbia]

By the wording of this, are we saying that if he HAD been shown to have thrown the game intentionally to win the tournament, that he WOULD have been found guilty?

If that's the case, that seriously changes the dynamics of this style of tournament.

[Evil Semp]

By the wording of this, are we saying that if he HAD been shown to have thrown the game intentionally to win the tournament, that he WOULD have been found guilty?

If that's the case, that seriously changes the dynamics of this style of tournament.

Being that this is a tournament competition, I understand where the player is coming from. In order to avoid a possible tie break, all he needed to do is just prevent that other player from winning that game. The complainant also has a point, it would be unfair for him since not all players would be trying to win the game, just two others trying to win and brandoncfi trying to prevent him from winning. Throwing a game is still throwing a game even if it was for losing less points, winning a tournament, a clan challenge, getting back at someone, etc. We do not want to encourage game throwing even if it means winning a tournament for you. Your competitiveness to win must always be present in every game. Let's lessen the politics as much as possible. If your not playing to win, let's not contribute in despoiling or in breaking the integrity of the game.

Perhaps the tournament directors/organizers can come up with possible resolutions for scenarios like this to discourage game throwing or any other acts that violates any rules.

[Night Strike]

[jefjef]

PREVENTING someone from winning in order for YOU to WIN a tourney is as much of a game throw as you outright winning the game.

The rule is to prevent point dumping/point manipulation. It isn't about points and does not deserve noting.

[Woodruff]

By the wording of this, are we saying that if he HAD been shown to have thrown the game intentionally to win the tournament, that he WOULD have been found guilty?

If that's the case, that seriously changes the dynamics of this style of tournament.

In fact, this will ruin tournaments.

This shall be noted. We do not want to encourage game throwing even if it means winning a tournament for you.

This is some serious bullshit. A terribly un-thought-through ruling that perverts the reason that the rule even exists. And at the same time, ruining the best part of this site.

Your competitiveness to win must always be present in every game.

But that is precisely what brandoncfi did - his competitiveness was absolutely present in this game. In fact, that was THE WHOLE POINT OF HIS MOVE - sheer competitiveness.

[murphy16]

I am not convinced that brandoncfi threw the game. If brandoncfi had eliminated murphy would we even be discussing this?

The following attacks are all on my stacks that would have kept me alive to cash.

You say that he placed and attacked all your stacks, but if you are going to try to eliminate someone wouldn't you place to take out their stacks? How many armies did you have left after he finished his turn? Regretfully the log doesn't give us that information. You had about ten countries left, did they all have 1's on them?
Was it at that point of the game where brandoncfi decided it was time to poop or get off pot. With the play order it worked out in brandoncfi's favor, if he falls short of eliminating murphy then magiiiiic might have a shot.

[quote=murphy16"]This here is what was said in the game chat to show that the accused threw the game.

2011-02-19 13:09:22 - brandoncfi: Win win blue you win the game I win the tourney

brandoncfi fell short and he want magiiiiic to take a shot and he want to prod him.

If I thought that brandoncfi didn't have a chance to win the game I could agree with this report, but like I said I have not been convinced.

Brandoncfi is CLEARED.

So your telling me that with a stack of 100+, a cash of 100+ and with multiple stacks over 30 couldn't take out 5 stack of 10-30 and just leave 1's every where? I'm not sure how you can't be convinced but it's what ever, I have the douche bag on my foe list.

[eddie2]

By the wording of this, are we saying that if he HAD been shown to have thrown the game intentionally to win the tournament, that he WOULD have been found guilty?

If that's the case, that seriously changes the dynamics of this style of tournament.

Being that this is a tournament competition, I understand where the player is coming from. In order to avoid a possible tie break, all he needed to do is just prevent that other player from winning that game. The complainant also has a point, it would be unfair for him since not all players would be trying to win the game, just two others trying to win and brandoncfi trying to prevent him from winning. Throwing a game is still throwing a game even if it was for losing less points, winning a tournament, a clan challenge, getting back at someone, etc. This shall be noted. We do not want to encourage game throwing even if it means winning a tournament for you. Your competitiveness to win must always be present in every game. Let's lessen the politics as much as possible. If your not playing to win, let's not contribute in despoiling or in breaking the integrity of the game.

Perhaps the tournament directors/organizers can come up with possible resolutions for scenarios like this to discourage game throwing or any other acts that violates any rules.

omg evil he did throw the game but he did not throw the game. it was a tourney so the game is to win the medal at the end of it so even if you could prove he threw that 1 game he didnt because he in the end won what the game was getting played for.

[benga]

Fine mess you made, by saying this I can report numerous complaints within a hour.

Expect to be flooded.

[eddie2]

Fine mess you made, by saying this I can report numerous complaints within a hour.

Expect to be flooded.

lol can you report me for this tourney plz
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a couple of the players asked me how i was so sucsessful in my grab a jamaican tourneys during this one i gave them my trade secret. once you have enough points to qualify to the next round make sure you take your closest rival out the running.

[Bones2484]

Fine mess you made, by saying this I can report numerous complaints within a hour.

Expect to be flooded.

Feel free to report me, as well. I've done this and will do it again in the future.

[Evil Semp]

This shall be noted

was not supposed to be there. When I write something it usually takes me several times to try to get it right and I missed that when I was proof reading before I posted.

This report was NOTnoted and I edited my previous post. Sorry for the confusion.

[jefjef]

This shall be noted

was not supposed to be there. When I write something it usually takes me several times to try to get it right and I missed that when I was proof reading before I posted.

This report was NOTnoted and I edited my previous post. Sorry for the confusion.

Sorry for the hate and anger.

[Evil Semp]

I really don't understand why no one noticed that the report was CLEARED in the thread title and everyone jumped on the noted part. Not one of you mentioned that was two different decisions on one report.

So all you who jumped to conclusions from Night Strike bashing his head against a wall to benga and eddie you guys are done throwing you temper tantrums you can start flooding the forum with your reports.

[jefjef]

I really don't understand why no one noticed that the report was CLEARED in the thread title and everyone jumped on the noted part. Not one of you mentioned that was two different decisions on one report.

So all you who jumped to conclusions from Night Strike bashing his head against a wall to benga and eddie you guys are done throwing you temper tantrums you can start flooding the forum with your reports.

Whoa! Title was posted as cleared and then you came back with the NOTED post. Please forgive us ES. Your mis-type surprised and confused us.

[Evil Semp]

I really don't understand why no one noticed that the report was CLEARED in the thread title and everyone jumped on the noted part. Not one of you mentioned that was two different decisions on one report.

So all you who jumped to conclusions from Night Strike bashing his head against a wall to benga and eddie you guys are done throwing you temper tantrums you can start flooding the forum with your reports.

Whoa! Title was posted as cleared and then you came back with the NOTED post. Please forgive us ES. Your mis-type surprised and confused us.

I understand that and was surprised no one asked for me to clarify it.

[iamkoolerthanu]

This shall be noted

was not supposed to be there. When I write something it usually takes me several times to try to get it right and I missed that when I was proof reading before I posted.

This report was NOTnoted and I edited my previous post. Sorry for the confusion.

LOL I have been reading this thread and never noticed the CLEARED either... That's funny stuff

[eddie2]

By the wording of this, are we saying that if he HAD been shown to have thrown the game intentionally to win the tournament, that he WOULD have been found guilty?

If that's the case, that seriously changes the dynamics of this style of tournament.

Being that this is a tournament competition, I understand where the player is coming from. In order to avoid a possible tie break, all he needed to do is just prevent that other player from winning that game. The complainant also has a point, it would be unfair for him since not all players would be trying to win the game, just two others trying to win and brandoncfi trying to prevent him from winning. Throwing a game is still throwing a game even if it was for losing less points, winning a tournament, a clan challenge, getting back at someone, etc. This shall be noted. We do not want to encourage game throwing even if it means winning a tournament for you. Your competitiveness to win must always be present in every game. Let's lessen the politics as much as possible. If your not playing to win, let's not contribute in despoiling or in breaking the integrity of the game.

Perhaps the tournament directors/organizers can come up with possible resolutions for scenarios like this to discourage game throwing or any other acts that violates any rules.

i did notice it was cleared (due to the reason of not enough proof.) my comment was due to the fact that if they can find it as intentional throwing of the game you will get a busted or noted comment.

[Evil Semp]

Sorry eddie I misread your post.