1v1 Clan Challenge {winners: Empire}

by **nippersean** on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:24 am

ljex wrote:
can you please provide a logical argument for why it should be left out?

Ljex,

Yep - it's in the rules (on page 1)
"For purposes of this event there will be no freestyle, or manual settings. Unlimited forts will be allowed on certain (primarily single start) maps only (Feudal War, Feudal Epic, AOR1, AOR2, AOR3, Galapagos, Jamaica, New World, Lunar War, Poker Club, Monsters, Arms Race) (please let me know if I've missed any)"

Nipp

by **Lubawski** on Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:44 am

Manual paired with freestyle is basically cheating in any event because you can guarantee your first turn. I haven't played manual sequential, so I really don't have a comment, but the rules are set, so let's not turn this into a discussion. We knew the rules when we signed up.

by **danryan** on Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:35 am

If manual is in, we're out. End of story. Same for freestyle. Sequential and Automatic are baseline requirements from my perspective.

by **MegasWoman** on Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:07 am

danryan wrote:If manual is in, we're out. End of story. Same for freestyle. Sequential and Automatic are baseline requirements from my perspective.

Ditto.

by **ljex** on Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:04 pm

nippersean wrote:
ljex wrote:
can you please provide a logical argument for why it should be left out?

Ljex,

Yep - it's in the rules (on page 1)
"For purposes of this event there will be no freestyle, or manual settings. Unlimited forts will be allowed on certain (primarily single start) maps only (Feudal War, Feudal Epic, AOR1, AOR2, AOR3, Galapagos, Jamaica, New World, Lunar War, Poker Club, Monsters, Arms Race) (please let me know if I've missed any)"

Nipp

yes i see it in the rules, why does everyone hate manual 1 vs 1. Also im not even saying freestyle should be in i think its good that its not, but i would like to know why manual is not. Or why people would leave if manual were allowed?

by **Denise** on Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:24 pm

ljex wrote:
nippersean wrote:
ljex wrote:
can you please provide a logical argument for why it should be left out?

Ljex,

Yep - it's in the rules (on page 1)
"For purposes of this event there will be no freestyle, or manual settings. Unlimited forts will be allowed on certain (primarily single start) maps only (Feudal War, Feudal Epic, AOR1, AOR2, AOR3, Galapagos, Jamaica, New World, Lunar War, Poker Club, Monsters, Arms Race) (please let me know if I've missed any)"

Nipp

yes i see it in the rules, why does everyone hate manual 1 vs 1. Also im not even saying freestyle should be in i think its good that its not, but i would like to know why manual is not. Or why people would leave if manual were allowed?

Because it is not a popular setting, and many players don't know where to put their little troops in manual. (thinking of myself, here). I wouldn't know how to play manual.

by **jpcloet** on Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:47 pm

People just don't want to play manual. We had a good discussion about manual for Season 3 of the league, and after a test run (especially 1v1) the players that stacked and found the other stack first (usually who played first) won 90% of the time. I'd be up for manual if you could limit the number of troops placed, however, the game log does not show where you actually deployed so now way to track or limit.

by **Bones2484** on Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:06 pm

MegasWoman wrote:
danryan wrote:If manual is in, we're out. End of story. Same for freestyle. Sequential and Automatic are baseline requirements from my perspective.

Ditto.

I highly doubt Bart will allow it, don't worry guys.

by **barterer2002** on Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:08 pm

Yeah, manual isn't going to be in on this one guys (sorry, busy weekend here for me).

Have a few other maps that have been suggested for Unlimited forts. Let me know what y'all think. They look OK to me

City Mogul, Peloponnesian War, Das Schloss, Route 66, Treasures of Galapagos, WWII Poland, Clandemonium, King's Court

by **benga** on Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:12 pm

barterer2002 wrote:Yeah, manual isn't going to be in on this one guys (sorry, busy weekend here for me).

Have a few other maps that have been suggested for Unlimited forts. Let me know what y'all think. They look OK to me

City Mogul, Peloponnesian War, Das Schloss, Route 66, Treasures of Galapagos, WWII Poland, Clandemonium, King's Court

Isn't this no beta?

by **barterer2002** on Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:12 pm

ljex

Here's the think with manual in a larger setting like this. There are enough players who really dislike it, enough that it essentially kills this type of tournament. Same with freestyle.
Part of the issue is that there are enough players who want to play these to make it worthwhile to put them in.

by **barterer2002** on Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:14 pm

Benga you are correct (I cut and pasted the list) so maps like clandamonium aren't available at the moment (although its possible they will be out of beta for later rounds)

by **Leehar** on Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:24 pm

barterer2002 wrote:Benga you are correct (I cut and pasted the list) so maps like clandamonium aren't available at the moment (although its possible they will be out of beta for later rounds)

Actually, I didn't really see any restriction with regards to Beta on the OP. I wouldn't be against seeing them in play.

With regards to the unlimited forts, most of them look okay, but I don't really agree with the inclusion of Poker Club and Route 66 in that list. It doesn't really tie up with the others, except perhaps that it starts with a lot of neutrals in 1v1? Thats not enough to join the others in my book tho...

by **chemefreak** on Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:13 pm

Leehar wrote:Actually, I didn't really see any restriction with regards to Beta on the OP. I wouldn't be against seeing them in play.

I didn't see any prohibition on Beta either. I don't care either way though.

Oh, serious question, can a player use Random as his/her map? I've got a player, who will remain unnamed (lfaw you know who you are), that would like to use Random as his map. I told him no initially, but then when I looked at the rules I didn't see any prohibition against it so...thoughts?

by **dowian2** on Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:03 am

chemefreak wrote:
Leehar wrote:Actually, I didn't really see any restriction with regards to Beta on the OP. I wouldn't be against seeing them in play.

I didn't see any prohibition on Beta either. I don't care either way though.

Oh, serious question, can a player use Random as his/her map? I've got a player, who will remain unnamed (lfaw you know who you are), that would like to use Random as his map. I told him no initially, but then when I looked at the rules I didn't see any prohibition against it so...thoughts?

I'm in favor of it, personally. It's an interesting strategy - keeps the other clan from being able to provide a specialist at a certain home map.

by **IcePack** on Mon Feb 14, 2011 12:06 am

I'm against freestyle & manual. I'd prefer no beta, I'd like to see random being able to be included.

my $0.02.

IcePack

by **barterer2002** on Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:39 am

Looks like i didn't get Beta included when I moved the rules over and re-typed them. I'm going to add it in now as the no-beta restriction is a fairly standard clan war restriction. I personally like Beta but am trying to stick with usual clan styles.

Random is allowed.

by **4 U 2 NV** on Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:08 am

Imperial Dragoons will be represented.

our minimum 12 are listed but not limited to:
MudPuppy (organizer for now)
Edgron
Risky_Stud
phantomzero
hmsps
lordhaha
perchorin
nesterdude
I_AM_BOGEY
Gifton
Cognac
4 U 2 NV (secondary)

by **LFAW** on Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:11 am

chemefreak wrote:
Leehar wrote:Actually, I didn't really see any restriction with regards to Beta on the OP. I wouldn't be against seeing them in play.

I didn't see any prohibition on Beta either. I don't care either way though.

Oh, serious question, can a player use Random as his/her map? I've got a player, who will remain unnamed (lfaw you know who you are), that would like to use Random as his map. I told him no initially, but then when I looked at the rules I didn't see any prohibition against it so...thoughts?

Bastard

barterer2002 wrote:Looks like i didn't get Beta included when I moved the rules over and re-typed them. I'm going to add it in now as the no-beta restriction is a fairly standard clan war restriction. I personally like Beta but am trying to stick with usual clan styles.

Random is allowed.

WOOGOO xD

by **Leehar** on Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:39 pm

Looks like signups end today, it would've been nice to see some of the other notables participate

by **mviola** on Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:47 pm

IcePack wrote:Greetings,

Consider KOA in please, player list up and coming.

Primary Contact: IcePack
Secondary Contact: MegasWoman

It doesn't look like anyone saw this...

by **Lubawski** on Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:08 pm

12 clans. Very nice.

Question: Does random fall into the "a map may only be used twice per round" guideline?

by **barterer2002** on Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:36 pm

Hi mviola, I did catch it, you'll notice that you guys are listed 11th on the list (its in order-roughly-of sign up).

12 clans are in and I've PMed the contacts to rank the other 11 each. Clans have until Thursday the 18th for that.

by **mviola** on Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:53 pm

barterer2002 wrote:Hi mviola, I did catch it, you'll notice that you guys are listed 11th on the list (its in order-roughly-of sign up).

12 clans are in and I've PMed the contacts to rank the other 11 each. Clans have until Thursday the 18th for that.

Sorry, I saw Imperial Dragoons listed and not us when I posted, so I was just wondering.

Good idea, btw!

by **josko.ri** on Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:54 pm

I have a suggestion.
I suppose some players with high rank are maybe not be in this competition (not speaking about me, it is just supposing that it can happen) because they not want to loose their points in some 1v1's which is often based on luck.
so, maybe good suggestion would be to ornagize matches like in chess competition. #1 ranked player from clan A plays home and away vs #1 ranked fom clan B, #2 ranked plays vs #2 etc.

if #1 ranked from clan A wants to play 5 games, then he used the first 5 tables, so if the first 5 ranked from clan B wants to play 1 game each, they will each face one game vs #1 from clan A.

so, just fill the tables according to player rank, I think it would add some new level of competition to this challenge.

in that case, you would maybe not need for tie breaker game, the winner of the first table (where plays both clan's #1 seeds) can be tie breaker, like in chess.