[CC 2010 Semis] TOFU vs KoRT [20-40 of 60]

[Snowgun]

I'm fully willing to appreciate that Trap thinks he is David Hasselhoff

Fixed

Hmm... just a question snowblind. Shouldn't it be a ".45" ? Just askin. Next time wear shades mate.

nice catch elf, though I thought it might look funny bracketed by two periods (.45.) I'll fix it just for you.

BTW... "mate"?? Since when did you initiate the limey vernacular? I thought you were from Jersey?

[TheBro]

It's strange that it is allowed to have people taking turns for eachother when they are away

It's strange that it is allowed to have people taking turns for eachother when they are NOT away, with goal to have some tactics advantage. here is documentation who did it:
Game 7592386
2010-10-07 02:54:35 - karelpietertje ended the turn
from chat: 2010-10-08 01:15:08 - Iron Maid: Clock running down. CoF for IM

while in other game Iron Maid played turns by himself at the same time, not by sitter:
Game 7755595
2010-10-07 20:16:11 - Iron Maid ended the turn
2010-10-08 02:35:55 - Iron Maid ended the turn

so, 6.30 hours before poker turn expired, Iron Maid played a turn in south america game, and also, he played new turn in the same game 20 minutes before poker turn was to expire without any sitter notification in chat, so obviously Iron Maid was not away as played his own turns in south america game.
I may just add that turn in poker was the most important one in the game, as 2 players killed then.
so, it is big deal to sit for one who is away (me for moonchild), while it is normal that CoF sits for the player who is NOT away (Iron Maid), isnt it?

Usually I would say that everyone takes turns for their team when the clock is running down and they are about to miss. However, in this challenge twice a player from KORT missed a crucial turn and immediately after we got gawdawful dice and both games were pissed away. So stick to your guns; don't save a teammate as you will not need it. And it was annoying to see you join for Moonchild and then have Masli lie about Moonchild joining before the game started. Maybe you just forgot to correct him. Or maybe you were using a script. I don't know how joining and playing the game for someone else could be an advantage at all.

[Chariot of Fire]

Well well, lots of issues raised and questions asked (some via PM - thank you for those). Permit me to make some closing remarks so we may put some finality on this:

Q. Are TOFU demoralised by this whole affair?
A. On the contrary. I was personally, of course, as it was me that joined an extra game by mistake and effectively dashed the hopes of a large group of players who through no fault of their own now find themselves out of contention for a TOFU-THOTA showdown. Their response though has been overwhelming and I'm deeply touched to be part of a clan with such stand-up people. I truly believe we're all the stronger for it. I needed a lesson in humility (duly received) and hey....this is just a one-off challenge. I'd far rather keep my dignity, as most of us would, than a cup result that no-one's going to care about in a few months' time anyway because we'll all be back in contention for the second edition (with new, improved rules lol).

Q. TOFU aren't being as vociferous as a lot of 3rd parties are being. Any reason?
A. It would probably come across as sour grapes - a popular retort for any complaint. Besides, what can we do about it really? The damage is done, the verdict is made. I can make a summary though, which is the intention of this post

Q. Don't you think TOFU would have done the same thing if the roles had been reversed?
A. Absolutely not. We pride ourselves on fair play and wish to retain the dignity that behooves any clan that has earned elite status. It took just 12 hours (the time it took for a post from Hong Kong to be read in the USA) for TOFU to decline an opportunity to replace Nemesis in Season II of the Clan League. We don't mess around for 60 hours when it comes to making a decision that is a no-brainer.

Q. Perhaps you antagonised CoRT and this led them to impose a harsher penalty than might otherwise have been dealt?
A. Well that's funny, because if you read what Snowgun has posted you'd think we had been kissing butt to hopefully receive a lesser penalty and only changed our tune after the 21 game imposition, yet nothing could be further from the truth. I will admit to posting on here to provoke a reaction, because time was passing by (36 hours to be precise) and nothing was forthcoming from CoRT. It seemed i) incredible that a unanimous decision hadn't been reached by their side (a decision I expected to be totally contrary to the one they reached, I should add) and b) unfair that as time passed they could better-evaluate the outcome of the 60 games and say "Oh, make it a 3 game penalty" and come out smelling of roses. I merely sought to force their hand (or, more aptly, their response), which I did successfully. I was also successful when I raised the question of honour, which someone took umbrage to, only to later prove me right. That made me rather happy to be honest and was a very warm cushion for the blow they delivered.

Q. (from Foxy, thank you) Perhaps we should also discuss whether or not clans are willing to graciously abide by penalties they agree to be subject to when signing up for events?
A. Yes indeed. Unfortunately in this instance TOFU had already signed-up for the event before the rule was implemented. That said, it wouldn't have changed the course of events that led to an extra game being joined by me. As for graciously abiding by the penalties.....well we are aren't we? Look at the scoreboard. We've accepted our loss and will move on. And I think given the amount of flak that could have been levelled in this thread from members of TOFU that we've also gone about it graciously.

Q. If you could turn the clock back is there anything you would have done differently?
A. Why yes, there is. Alow me to compile a little list:

1. Run the OP ourselves, as had been our right as the higher seed, instead of acquiescing to CoRT's request to do it themselves (funny that - I wonder why?) and who then failed to keep it up-to-date in spite of my posts to White Moose with current info on player game count. This is in direct breach of the rules which state:

"A list of players participating for each clan should be kept up along with a running tally of how many games each player has played in"

CoRT failed in their duty to comply with this rule and it may be argued that their negligence is what led to the miscalculation of games that I participated in.

2. To have demanded sterner action (or at least have determined some form of game count) for the absence of Moonchild in a series of games he was entered in, whilst in absentia, and were played by josko.ri. There is sitting an account and then there's manipulating an account - one being in compliance with CC rules and regs whilst the other would most certainly contravene them. However, decent sports that we are we let it slide. The only complaint we lodged at the time was done discreetly, to the heads of CoRT and no 3rd parties, about josko's habitual baiting in gamechat. I even hold correspondence from members of CoRT apologising for josko's behaviour which certainly lend enough weight to our cause for complaint.

3. To have dispensed with the 12 Hour agreement on foggy games, as some members of CoRT adhere to it whilst others do not. It makes it a very difficult game when all members of your clan have to be aware of which games you need to wait in and which to don't, etc etc. My advice to anyone playing CoRT in future is to not entertain this agreement at all.

4. To have used chickens (the white-feathered variety) in place of cattle in all of our sigs, and probably have them wallowing in cowshit.

5. To have not volunteered to play josko at Feudal (I thought it would be a good idea to break the ice) coz whilst he may be belligerent he's a damn fine player on conquest maps.

Q. Have you lost all respect for CoRT?
A. As a clan, yes. But I'm going to quote from Shatner's sig here (who is quoting Gandhi) "You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty". There are some very decent people in that clan for whom I've nothing but admiration and a desire that, through all this, we might remain on friendly terms. I'm sure they know who they are. I feel sorry for the few (obviously a minority as they held a referendum) who now have to live in, how shall I put this, a house of straw.

So thank you everybody. Well done CoRT (even without the 21 games it has been our most challenging series to date) and good luck THOTA (not CoRT, sorry).

CoF

[niMic]

Q. TOFU aren't being as vociferous as a lot of 3rd parties are being. Any reason?
A. It would probably come across as sour grapes - a popular retort for any complaint. Besides, what can we do about it really? The damage is done, the verdict is made. I can make a summary though, which is the intention of this post

Aside from the very phrasing of the question being a blatant lie (one you, of course, are aware about - sleazy politician that you are), this answer would look better if it wasn't subsequently followed by the rest your the post.

Well done, though.

[Chariot of Fire]

Q. TOFU aren't being as vociferous as a lot of 3rd parties are being. Any reason?
A. It would probably come across as sour grapes - a popular retort for any complaint. Besides, what can we do about it really? The damage is done, the verdict is made. I can make a summary though, which is the intention of this post

Aside from the very phrasing of the question being a blatant lie (one you, of course, are aware about - sleazy politician that you are), this answer would look better if it wasn't subsequently followed by the rest your the post.

Well done, though.

Rather a sleazy politician than a cowardly game player. Whilst I consider your opinion absolutely worthless in light of how you voted, I will nevertheless correct your latest drivel:

Aside from the very phrasing of the question being a blatant lie

A question that, if you bothered to read the threads, correlates very nicely with your very own Foxglove's comment:

Though actually - I do believe there's at least as much (or maybe more!) vitriol being spewed in our direction from various members of other clans as from TOFU.

A bit too logical for you perhaps?

this answer would look better if it wasn't subsequently followed by the rest your the post

And this, despite me having clearly written "I can make a summary though, which is the intention of this post"

Are you saying it's sour grapes and proving me right once again? You do like walking into doors don't you!

[niMic]

As long as you know what made me change my vote, that's fine

I'll let that be my last post of the thread, but feel free to badmouth me in my absence.

[Incandenza]

As long as you know what made me change my vote, that's fine

I'm astonished that the adults haven't begged you to stop posting. At some point you think you'd consider your clan's reputation before hitting the "submit" button.

[Bruceswar]

I told myself I was not going to make another post after I posted the decision, but I am going to. I have been out of town last 2 days and still am, which in part is why I have not posted again.

Let me address a few points.. My typo when I put "member".. OK chastize me for a typo.

As to how we came to a decision, well as said we debated things out. When I left in the AM Thursday morning the voting was 100% looking like it was gonna be a 2 game penalty.(one for the 21st game, and one for the actual mistake made) When I got on to check late Thursday evening everything had changed. The voting that was even was not even close now. So I took a look at the thread here and what people within our forum had said.

It boiled down to this. Chuuuuck was the judge and told us all what the rule was and the penalty for it. In this case KORT was the jury and TOFU was the defendant waiting their punishment. Now I am not one to say what TOFU should have done or not, but if I was in TOFU's shoes I would not have been poking the jury with insults and sticks. I mean after all your fate in is the jury's hands. Now to say all of TOFU did those things is just not true, but there were those who did. I will be the first to tell you this played a part in the decision making. The members of KORT were not going to let a bully, take us and slap us around as much as he \ they wanted and voted as such.

Anybody outside of KORT can say we took the easy way out, or are chickens or any other flame you can think of, but at the end of the day do you really think it is going to effect anybody in KORT? In fact I am semi shocked this thread has not been locked by someone yet. That would seem on target for the mods? You all can think what you want, but we in KORT know the full story.

In closing I will say this. To all those in TOFU who were not baiting, flaming or things of that sort, I am sorry you were lumped into those who did. It effected the vote of KORT as a whole. We in KORT take no shit from nobody and will not be pushed around. We like to have fun challenge, but this one got out of hand. There is blame to be laid on both sides, and everybody will have a different story as to who takes more blame. To all those in TOFU, this challenge has been super fierce and I speak for all of KORT when I say we are sad to see it come to and end this way. Nobody from KORT entered this challenge wanting to use a rule to advance. As far as the games themselves go, TOFU players do not give an inch if you make a mistake. Top quality players all the way around.

P.S. If we wanted the easy way out there would have been no vote.


If I made any more typos feel free to flame away.

[Dako]

I can only suggest that a vote inside the clan was a bad idea. I mean, yeah, democracy, even rights... but in the end the decision should have been made by the clan leaders based on the people input. Not by the majority of votes. It just doesn't work in most of the cases.

it is a bit strange to see that you punish us for our behavior (at least this is the part you highlight in most of your posts). I mean, seriously, how old are you?

And by "you" I am referring to the clan as a whole, not any of the particular individuals.

[Bruceswar]

it is a bit strange to see that you punish us for our behavior (at least this is the part you highlight in most of your posts). I mean, seriously, how old are you?

What do you expect? For people just to totally look away from the bating, flames, etc? Remember the jury is real people also. If you have a kid and he/she breaks a rule. He is there waiting for his punishment and being polite and nice, he is likely to get off much easier. If your kid is throwing a tantrum and acting a fool, he is likely to get a more harsh punishment. Simple as that.

[Chariot of Fire]

We in KORT take no shit from nobody

Too funny.

Nice post though Bruce. Thank you for at least explaining for the most part how you reached the consensus you did and what factors influenced the votes. It does seem though that one may have cut off one's nose to spite one's face because if, as you say, "I speak for all of KORT when I say we are sad to see it come to an end this way" then why bring about such sadness purely to teach a lesson to one or two individuals?

Just for the record I can say, hand on heart, that your decision to claim all 21 games has made me far happier than if you had claimed just the one extra that I'd joined and then gone on to win this challenge in the manner in which it was intended. So if it was to punish me, as I've no doubt I'm the object of some ire, it backfired rather spectacularly.

He is there waiting for his punishment and being polite and nice, he is likely to get off much easier. If your kid is throwing a tantrum and acting a fool, he is likely to get a more harsh punishment. Simple as that.

How pathetic. So your decision was based on the character of a person rather than on the punishment befitting the crime. That is exactly what your statement implies. Furthermore would you care to quote any instances of 'throwing a tantrum and acting a fool' following Chuck's post and the time you reached your decision. I think you'll struggle to find any.

[Dako]

And we are not kids here so the parallel is a bit wrong. Also, as Simon said - who punishes for crossing on a red light with 21 years of prison? We are ok with being punished for the mistake, thou the measure of punishment upsets everyone in this thread.

[eddie2]

wait a minite cof you made this comment.

Q. (from Foxy, thank you) Perhaps we should also discuss whether or not clans are willing to graciously abide by penalties they agree to be subject to when signing up for events?
A. Yes indeed. Unfortunately in this instance TOFU had already signed-up for the event before the rule was implemented. That said, it wouldn't have changed the course of events that led to an extra game being joined by me. As for graciously abiding by the penalties.....well we are aren't we? Look at the scoreboard. We've accepted our loss and will move on. And I think given the amount of flak that could have been levelled in this thread from members of TOFU that we've also gone about it graciously.

now i don't want to sound to funny here but if you signed up before the change to the rules. were you contacted before this change happened. because i am sure if there are any major changes all people involved should be contacted.

[Bruceswar]

And we are not kids here so the parallel is a bit wrong. Also, as Simon said - who punishes for crossing on a red light with 21 years of prison? We are ok with being punished for the mistake, thou the measure of punishment upsets everyone in this thread.

Sorry it is 5 am and I could not think of anything better. No I do not think you are really kids, it was just an analogy. Been up all night. I am going to bed. Take care.

[Dako]

Ahh, now I can't even pick on words. Good night mate.

[pimphawks70]

If I made any more typos feel free to flame away.

Just the one.

KORT

*CORT

[jackal31]

If I made any more typos feel free to flame away.

Just the one.

KORT

*CORT

C =

[josko.ri]

It's strange that it is allowed to have people taking turns for eachother when they are away

It's strange that it is allowed to have people taking turns for eachother when they are NOT away, with goal to have some tactics advantage. here is documentation who did it:
Game 7592386
2010-10-07 02:54:35 - karelpietertje ended the turn
from chat: 2010-10-08 01:15:08 - Iron Maid: Clock running down. CoF for IM

while in other game Iron Maid played turns by himself at the same time, not by sitter:
Game 7755595
2010-10-07 20:16:11 - Iron Maid ended the turn
2010-10-08 02:35:55 - Iron Maid ended the turn

so, 6.30 hours before poker turn expired, Iron Maid played a turn in south america game, and also, he played new turn in the same game 20 minutes before poker turn was to expire without any sitter notification in chat, so obviously Iron Maid was not away as played his own turns in south america game.
I may just add that turn in poker was the most important one in the game, as 2 players killed then.
so, it is big deal to sit for one who is away (me for moonchild), while it is normal that CoF sits for the player who is NOT away (Iron Maid), isnt it?

Usually I would say that everyone takes turns for their team when the clock is running down and they are about to miss.

yes, but intentionally left time to be about to expire when Iron Maid was here is not fair, it is using sitter for having tactics advantage. it is obvious that Iron Maid was online 6.30 hours before poker turn expired, so he could play poker turn then. he rather choose not play it then and left it for CoF. of course, the most important turns, when it is going to kill someone opponent, had to be played by CoF, so easier was present it like time expiring to not be acused for account abuse.

However, in this challenge twice a player from KORT missed a crucial turn and immediately after we got gawdawful dice and both games were pissed away. So stick to your guns; don't save a teammate as you will not need it. And it was annoying to see you join for Moonchild and then have Masli lie about Moonchild joining before the game started. Maybe you just forgot to correct him. Or maybe you were using a script.

Moonchild joined by himself before he left. you may check all moonchild's games played then, and I was sitting in all of them (not only clan game). if you check, you will see that nowhere is written "josko.ri for moon" on the time BEFORE europe game was initialized. it is provement that he joined BEFORE he left, and masli didnt lie. it is sad and unfair to say for someone in public that he lie without giving an evidence for that.

I don't know how joining and playing the game for someone else could be an advantage at all.

thanks. so, my playing first 3 turns in europe game for moon was not an advantage for KoRT. why then you complained about that if we only get disadvantage with my sitting?

[Chariot of Fire]

This is too funny. Hey josko....is this the kind of abuse you are referring to:

Username: Bruceswar Rank: Colonel Score: 2989 Games: 6085 completed, 2569 (42%) won | Find all games with Bruceswar Attendance: 100% of turns taken Rating: 4.8 | View Bruceswar's ratings Country: Croatia

This is Bruceswar's page, as of five minutes ago. Funny how he was posting on here just very very recently!

[josko.ri]

This is too funny. Hey josko....is this the kind of abuse you are referring to:

Username: Bruceswar Rank: Colonel Score: 2989 Games: 6085 completed, 2569 (42%) won | Find all games with Bruceswar Attendance: 100% of turns taken Rating: 4.8 | View Bruceswar's ratings Country: Croatia

This is Bruceswar's page, as of five minutes ago. Funny how he was posting on here just very very recently!

report it to multihunters if you think it is account abuse. I am sitting for bruce this weekend, and he put out his mod privileges for some time so I can do it.
still waiting answer for your maniplating Iron Maid's account for poker turn.

[Chariot of Fire]

josko.hypocrite

thanks. so, my playing first 3 turns in europe game for moon was not an advantage for KoRT. why then you complained about that if we only get disadvantage with my sitting?

If you can't grasp sarcasm in the English language then you may be better off avoiding it altogether. Go and do something useful, like logging in to your clanmates' accounts and sitting for them, despite the fact they were online themselves just a couple of hours ago. Oh hang on....isn't that your argument? lol

You might want to look up the word hypocrite while you have your dictionary out. Or better yet just look in a mirror.

[ptlowe]

Seriously do you think anyone took the time to read this.

Well well, lots of issues raised and questions asked (some via PM - thank you for those). Permit me to make some closing remarks so we may put some finality on this:

Q. Are TOFU demoralised by this whole affair?
A. On the contrary. I was personally, of course, as it was me that joined an extra game by mistake and effectively dashed the hopes of a large group of players who through no fault of their own now find themselves out of contention for a TOFU-THOTA showdown. Their response though has been overwhelming and I'm deeply touched to be part of a clan with such stand-up people. I truly believe we're all the stronger for it. I needed a lesson in humility (duly received) and hey....this is just a one-off challenge. I'd far rather keep my dignity, as most of us would, than a cup result that no-one's going to care about in a few months' time anyway because we'll all be back in contention for the second edition (with new, improved rules lol).

Q. TOFU aren't being as vociferous as a lot of 3rd parties are being. Any reason?
A. It would probably come across as sour grapes - a popular retort for any complaint. Besides, what can we do about it really? The damage is done, the verdict is made. I can make a summary though, which is the intention of this post

Q. Don't you think TOFU would have done the same thing if the roles had been reversed?
A. Absolutely not. We pride ourselves on fair play and wish to retain the dignity that behooves any clan that has earned elite status. It took just 12 hours (the time it took for a post from Hong Kong to be read in the USA) for TOFU to decline an opportunity to replace Nemesis in Season II of the Clan League. We don't mess around for 60 hours when it comes to making a decision that is a no-brainer.

Q. Perhaps you antagonised CoRT and this led them to impose a harsher penalty than might otherwise have been dealt?
A. Well that's funny, because if you read what Snowgun has posted you'd think we had been kissing butt to hopefully receive a lesser penalty and only changed our tune after the 21 game imposition, yet nothing could be further from the truth. I will admit to posting on here to provoke a reaction, because time was passing by (36 hours to be precise) and nothing was forthcoming from CoRT. It seemed i) incredible that a unanimous decision hadn't been reached by their side (a decision I expected to be totally contrary to the one they reached, I should add) and b) unfair that as time passed they could better-evaluate the outcome of the 60 games and say "Oh, make it a 3 game penalty" and come out smelling of roses. I merely sought to force their hand (or, more aptly, their response), which I did successfully. I was also successful when I raised the question of honour, which someone took umbrage to, only to later prove me right. That made me rather happy to be honest and was a very warm cushion for the blow they delivered.

Q. (from Foxy, thank you) Perhaps we should also discuss whether or not clans are willing to graciously abide by penalties they agree to be subject to when signing up for events?
A. Yes indeed. Unfortunately in this instance TOFU had already signed-up for the event before the rule was implemented. That said, it wouldn't have changed the course of events that led to an extra game being joined by me. As for graciously abiding by the penalties.....well we are aren't we? Look at the scoreboard. We've accepted our loss and will move on. And I think given the amount of flak that could have been levelled in this thread from members of TOFU that we've also gone about it graciously.

Q. If you could turn the clock back is there anything you would have done differently?
A. Why yes, there is. Alow me to compile a little list:

1. Run the OP ourselves, as had been our right as the higher seed, instead of acquiescing to CoRT's request to do it themselves (funny that - I wonder why?) and who then failed to keep it up-to-date in spite of my posts to White Moose with current info on player game count. This is in direct breach of the rules which state:

"A list of players participating for each clan should be kept up along with a running tally of how many games each player has played in"

CoRT failed in their duty to comply with this rule and it may be argued that their negligence is what led to the miscalculation of games that I participated in.

2. To have demanded sterner action (or at least have determined some form of game count) for the absence of Moonchild in a series of games he was entered in, whilst in absentia, and were played by josko.ri. There is sitting an account and then there's manipulating an account - one being in compliance with CC rules and regs whilst the other would most certainly contravene them. However, decent sports that we are we let it slide. The only complaint we lodged at the time was done discreetly, to the heads of CoRT and no 3rd parties, about josko's habitual baiting in gamechat. I even hold correspondence from members of CoRT apologising for josko's behaviour which certainly lend enough weight to our cause for complaint.

3. To have dispensed with the 12 Hour agreement on foggy games, as some members of CoRT adhere to it whilst others do not. It makes it a very difficult game when all members of your clan have to be aware of which games you need to wait in and which to don't, etc etc. My advice to anyone playing CoRT in future is to not entertain this agreement at all.

4. To have used chickens (the white-feathered variety) in place of cattle in all of our sigs, and probably have them wallowing in cowshit.

5. To have not volunteered to play josko at Feudal (I thought it would be a good idea to break the ice) coz whilst he may be belligerent he's a damn fine player on conquest maps.

Q. Have you lost all respect for CoRT?
A. As a clan, yes. But I'm going to quote from Shatner's sig here (who is quoting Gandhi) "You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty". There are some very decent people in that clan for whom I've nothing but admiration and a desire that, through all this, we might remain on friendly terms. I'm sure they know who they are. I feel sorry for the few (obviously a minority as they held a referendum) who now have to live in, how shall I put this, a house of straw.

So thank you everybody. Well done CoRT (even without the 21 games it has been our most challenging series to date) and good luck THOTA (not CoRT, sorry).

CoF

[trapyoung]

Bruce, there are three periods in this thread that should be segmented and considered.

(1) Pre-Chuck post
(2) Post-Chuck post, but pre-Cort decision
(3) Post-Cort decision

Sure there is baiting and flaming in parts, but if you wanted to ignore the infraction and focus on our behavior, the relevant time period is (2). If you review it, you'll be hard pressed to find any flaming. What you will find is chipv taking a shot at COF and niMic demanding some sort of obedience and groveling from TOFU members. It is obvious I am one of the members of TOFU many in Cort dislike, but the behavior of many Cow-ards of the Round Table following Chuck's post was atrocious. For the majority of the challenge, outside of Josko's post regarding games won and points taken, any victory or defeat has been extremely humble. But, with our collective lives in your hooves, not all (!) but enough began to gloat and savor the moment. It's was absolutely sickening - I'd rather taken the 21 game penalty instantly then beg and plead for your acceptance. If you forgot, COF already made a quite commendable post regarding the mistake, but for some, it wasn't enough - they took earlier grudges and attempted to leverage others into subservient positions. People may call you cowards and spineless for the 21 game result, but the ugliest behavior came earlier when you had a position of power. And the troubling thing is, Cort has acted this way before, quite recently even, in the Empire challenge - you seize any slight advantage and your muzzle comes off and you feel empowered to have free reign.

So, in summary, I have enjoyed playing and meeting some of you. Those who come to mind are Stunna, Foxglove, and Thebest (who does not speak German). While others, Josko, Chip, Nimic, I hope I never have the displeasure of meeting you again.

[Thank] you

[josko.ri]

2. To have demanded sterner action (or at least have determined some form of game count) for the absence of Moonchild in a series of games he was entered in, whilst in absentia, and were played by josko.ri.

another lie by CoF (hmm, why I wonder when hear some lie from him?). Moonchild was on 7 days travel and it was period I was sitting for him. you complained about europe game, I sat turns 1-3 and turn 11, so in game which had 17 rounds, I sit less than 25% of his turns. so, saying that I played whole games for him isnt true.

There is sitting an account and then there's manipulating an account - one being in compliance with CC rules and regs whilst the other would most certainly contravene them.

I think you may give instructions to everyone how want to manipulate an account. just saying to Iron Maid something like "please left poker turn to be about time expire, so I will play it then and nobody will have doubts it is manipulation".

However, decent sports that we are we let it slide. The only complaint we lodged at the time was done discreetly, to the heads of CoRT and no 3rd parties, about josko's habitual baiting in gamechat. I even hold correspondence from members of CoRT apologising for josko's behaviour which certainly lend enough weight to our cause for complaint.

you also get mine public apologize for my behaviour. also, we made deal in our pm that I will not comment in your games that I am not in, while you will not comment in my games that you are not in, and who break that deal? of course, you were the one who made totally unsportive comment in my game that you are not in. (hmm, why I wonder?)
Game 7856680 2010-11-05 20:17:19 - Chariot of Fire: hv to say u were asking for it

while you got my apologize for my trolling in other games, and then I really stopped trolling, nobody from KoRT ever get apologize for many insults, the most from you. for example:

Piss off josko.ritard you irritating clown

[eddie2]

just one last comment on this you had a 20 game limit for the 40 game challenges why was this not increased 2 30 games when the game load increased to 60 games.