WiseViking KARKAJU secret diplomacy or multis [blocked]

by **AAFitz** on Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:55 pm

Accused:

WiseViking
KARKAJU

The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy

Game number(s):

Game 7718947 green hit my 20 stack, red hit my 80 stack in a three player game. given their 50 games together, its impossible to think this was anything but cheating. it was pelo war with massive stacks, and not the first time they did this
Game 5845610 chat says it all, karakagu is even answering for him in this one
Game 6021894 here viking throws a bone to his partner, and hits only his partners target every turn till he takes it easy.
Game 7713302 textbook suicide and gift to other player

Comments: green hit my 20 stack, red hit my 80 stack in a three player game. given their 50 games together, its impossible to think this was anything but cheating. it was pelo war with massive stacks, and not the first time they did this

wise viking seems to win an awful lot of the games with this guy as he demos the other players

they do have games they dont win, and even attack each other, but in the end they are most likely to win, and in the end smash other players far too much to not be on purpose. they further have a fake feud going between them, which makes me think it may even be multis covering their tracks.. in the end, I think its time to stop them just stealing games from people.. too many are complaining and there are too many examples of blatant cheating

by **Rodion** on Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:25 pm

Pardon my lack of computer knowledge, but is it possible a guy with IP from the USA is multi of a guy with IP from Norway?

by **AAFitz** on Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:26 pm

Rodion wrote:Pardon my lack of computer knowledge, but is it possible a guy with IP from the USA is multi of a guy with IP from Norway?

yes, though less likely, personally i doubt they are multis. Its irrelevant anyways because its auto checked either way.

by **Raerth** on Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:32 pm

@Rodion It is easily possible if someone uses a VPN.

I played these two the other day. I did not strongly suspect cheating.

Although there were some strange choices by both players I did see KARKAJU reinforce away from wiping me out to protect himself against Wise Viking.

by **AAFitz** on Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:17 pm

Raerth wrote:@Rodion It is easily possible if someone uses a VPN.

I played these two the other day. I did not strongly suspect cheating.

Although there were some strange choices by both players I did see KARKAJU reinforce away from wiping me out to protect himself against Wise Viking.

they definitely have not thrown every game for each other, but the ones I showed were absolutely blatent. the move of one or the other, was to absolutely suicide into the player that wasnt one of them.

by **perchorin** on Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:42 pm

In KARKAJU's defense, every time I've played a game with the guy he just does really odd stuff. Some people just aren't normal and/or very good at this game. Take a look at his wall and you'll see what I mean.

by **AAFitz** on Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:10 pm

perchorin wrote:In KARKAJU's defense, every time I've played a game with the guy he just does really odd stuff. Some people just aren't normal and/or very good at this game. Take a look at his wall and you'll see what I mean.

Ive played one or two of these games. I know what you are saying it, and while I cant know for sure, I can tell when two people are repeatedly helping each other out.

He is claiming to hate the guy and throwing games to him left and right and theve been in over 50 games together. That doesnt happen by accident.

by **Arama86n** on Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:03 am

This should be interesting. Wouldn't be the first time someone has narrowed their eyes at KARKAJU's play...

by **AAFitz** on Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:11 am

Arama86n wrote:This should be interesting. Wouldn't be the first time someone has narrowed their eyes at KARKAJU's play...

I try very hard to be fair with these accusations. This is not as blatant as some that ive seen. In some games they truly do smash each other, but in others they absolutely just smash the other player. In mine both used their big stacks against mine. You dont do that if you arent trying to let the other guy win. WiseViking himself actually suicided more than green did in this one.

He at least must know better, while I certainly accept that karkaju could very well, just be really bad, or have an interesting....strategy. Either way, whatever the decision, this thread is a warning defacto of them in any further games throwing them for the other player. I have nothing more to add though.

by **BoganGod** on Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:18 am

I foed KARKAJU well over a year ago...... He must have agreed with my rather terse message on his wall, as its still there..... I haven't had an issue with WiseViking. Could it be a case of KARKAJU stalking viking? Don't think WiseViking has been up in this forum before. Look forward to seeing what happens in this case.

by **AAFitz** on Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:04 am

BoganGod wrote:I foed KARKAJU well over a year ago...... He must have agreed with my rather terse message on his wall, as its still there..... I haven't had an issue with WiseViking. Could it be a case of KARKAJU stalking viking? Don't think WiseViking has been up in this forum before. Look forward to seeing what happens in this case.

Right now, being as unbiased and knowledgeable enough, I can honestly say they only deserve a warning to not favor each other in games together. I certainly showed 4 games where they assassinated the other player without prejudice but there are many they didnt. I only looked at 10 games. If someone does more research and finds more, they may get more. It is without a doubt fair warning to anyone thinking they can expect a fair game with the two of them in it, that that is unlikely though whatever happens.