Battleship [abandoned]

[MrGlassB]

Salvo 1 between jrh_cardinal and moshu has begun.

MGB

[shoop76]

hello

uckuki's Defense:
shoop76 E4 -> benga
Evil Semp E6 -> danfrank
Freedomfighter01 G4 -> jjmracing
elliot1234 G6 -> uckuki

uckuki's Attacks:
benga j8
danfrank i9
jjmracing h10
uckuki f10

tx

defense

Shoop76 v uckuki
Evil Semp v benga
freedomfighter01 v danfrank
elliot1234 v jjmracing

[MrGlassB]

Salvo 1 between shoop76 and uckuki has begun.

MGB

[MrGlassB]

Had to send second invites out to a few people. If they don't join on this invite, they will forfeit their game(s).

MGB

[co-co]

This is the defence for round 1
amazzony targets A1 v bz89
paulgamelb B2 v co-co
40kguy C3 v Extraterrestrial
Jobiwan D4 v Gypsys Kiss

our attacks will be
Gypsys Kiss B2
bz89 B9
Extraterrestrial I2
co-co I9

I have won my attack on i9

[MrGlassB]

Thanks for the update.

My weekend was pretty busy, so I didn't get a chance to follow up on all the games. I will do so now and update the public boards accordingly.

MGB

[MrGlassB]

stuart133 forfeited both of their games, which goes as wins for the opposing team. If they forfeit two more, they will be replaced with a reserve.

Updated the public boards in the third post.

MGB

[MrGlassB]

mickunited333 forfeited both of their games, which go as wins for the opposing team. If they forfeit two more, they will be replaced with a reserve.

MGB

[jrh_cardinal]

mickunited333 forfeited both of their games, which go as wins for the opposing team. If they forfeit two more, they will be replaced with a reserve.

MGB

I didnt see this rule initially, but it's not good. Why should my whole team be punished just cause one guy doesn't join his games? I didn't pick him in any way, the teams are random, so I and the rest of my team shouldn't get punished for his problems.


when does salvo 2 start? There needs to be a set time increment between salvos, or a PM to tell us it's time for the next one, you can't expect 8 team captains to check this thread every single day for the next couple of months

[MrGlassB]

mickunited333 forfeited both of their games, which go as wins for the opposing team. If they forfeit two more, they will be replaced with a reserve.

MGB

I didnt see this rule initially, but it's not good. Why should my whole team be punished just cause one guy doesn't join his games? I didn't pick him in any way, the teams are random, so I and the rest of my team shouldn't get punished for his problems.

I added the rule to keep the tournament from being stalled by people that don't join their games. IMHO it is better to get them out of the tournament as quickly as possible to avoid them having a large negative impact. As for counting those games as forfeited, how else would you have me handle them? I can't count them as anything other than wins for the people that actually decided to show.

...you can't expect 8 team captains to check this thread every single day for the next couple of months

Why not? Most days, I check this thread multiple times. Anyone playing 1v1 games has to sign into CC at least every other day anyways. Tell you what. I'll change all of the 24-hour deadlines to 48-hour deadlines. That should handle it. If that's still not acceptable to you, feel free to talk to your teammates and have them vote in a new captain.

MGB

[MrGlassB]

All 24-hour deadlines have been changed to 48-hour deadlines. This should make things run a bit smoother and eliminate the need to scramble at the last minute.

MGB

[jrh_cardinal]

I added the rule to keep the tournament from being stalled by people that don't join their games. IMHO it is better to get them out of the tournament as quickly as possible to avoid them having a large negative impact. As for counting those games as forfeited, how else would you have me handle them? I can't count them as anything other than wins for the people that actually decided to show.

replace them after the first forfeit so that the other three members of the team don't get punished for their stupidity. I can replace him myself right now if you want.

Why not? Most days, I check this thread multiple times. Anyone playing 1v1 games has to sign into CC at least every other day anyways. Tell you what. I'll change all of the 24-hour deadlines to 48-hour deadlines. That should handle it. If that's still not acceptable to you, feel free to talk to your teammates and have them vote in a new captain.

MGB

Trust me, I'm not the only one who has a problem with it, and no, we don't need a new captain. I'm the one who would check this stuff the most anyway.

Why not?
You're the TO, you chose to run this tournament. We are players, we chose to play in this tournament. Nowhere in the first post does it say players are required to check the tournament thread. Every other TO in existence sends a pm or an invite whenever he expects players to do something, because that is what he signed up for, that's how it works. All I asked was for you to set a date for when the next salvo will come out, that's more than a reasonable request. If you don't think so, I'm more than happy to take it up with a Tournament Director. And trust me, I'll win. Players aren't required to check the thread, especially if it doesn't say it in the first post.

[MrGlassB]

replace them after the first forfeit so that the other three members of the team don't get punished for their stupidity. I can replace him myself right now if you want.

I will not change the rule in the middle of the tournament unless both teams that have had players deadbeat agree to it. And if that happens, I will be using the reserves I already have listed. You won't get to pick your own replacement.

Had you read all of the rules and brought it to my attention earlier this wouldn't be an issue. As it is, you are the only one complaining. I am interested to hear the other team's opinion on the matter.

Why not?
You're the TO, you chose to run this tournament. We are players, we chose to play in this tournament. Nowhere in the first post does it say players are required to check the tournament thread.

I will gladly add it to the first post if that will make you happy.

Every other TO in existence sends a pm or an invite whenever he expects players to do something, because that is what he signed up for, that's how it works. All I asked was for you to set a date for when the next salvo will come out, that's more than a reasonable request. If you don't think so, I'm more than happy to take it up with a Tournament Director. And trust me, I'll win. Players aren't required to check the thread, especially if it doesn't say it in the first post.

Placing the obvious generalization that you cannot possibly prove aside, I do not think I am being unreasonable to require team captains to check this thread for the beginning of salvos within a round. It takes a maximum of two clicks to check this thread for new posts.

I cannot set a date for the next salvo, because it is based on all of the salvo 1 games ending - something I can't even approximate with fog of war on. Furthermore, the beginning of a salvo triggers public posts in this thread by team captains anyways.

If this is a big enough issue for you to take it to a Tournament Director, please feel free. There is nothing in the guidelines that says TOs are required to send PMs for anything other than joining games. And I don't even do that; I send invitations. But that hasn't seemed to bother you any.

Bottom line, both the PM system and the forum are tools provided by CC for us to use. I choose to use both. If you can't handle 2 additional clicks, please have your team choose a new captain.

If you would like to continue to discuss this, feel free to PM me. For now the tournament will run as originally planned. I will send PMs to signal the starting of rounds and create new posts to signal the beginning of salvos.

MGB

[edit]Clipped out an irrelevant portion.[/edit]

[MrGlassB]

I just went back to add the part about posting for the beginning of salvos to the first post, and what do you know... it's already there.

Each Battleship game is composed of a series of salvos that continues until one team emerges victorious. Upon beginning a salvo the team captains will post the grid locations (i.e. - b7) on the opposing team's board that their team will be attacking and who is attacking at each location. There can be a total of 4 attacks (1 by each team member) per salvo. The opposing team captains will then post who will defend at each grid location. Team captains are free to decide whether or not they will consult with their teammates when making these assignments. I will make a post to begin each salvo. Failure to post attack grid locations within 48 hours of the beginning of a salvo will result in the 4 top-leftmost available grid locations being selected. Failure to post attackers or defenders will result in my choosing them.

MGB

[BiggsHancock]

I am interested to hear the other team's opinion on the matter.

You are both presenting reasonable and convincing arguments. jrh_c is articulate and clearly passionate on these points, so I for one am happy to let him continue to champion them on all our behalf's.

I don't know which of you is "right". If he (or others, or even a Tournament Director) can convince you (MGB) then it'll mean less of an admin-overhead for myself and the other team captains. If he doesn't then we'll all continue to play the Tournament that we originally signed up for.

In short - its an interesting discussion to watch (so please don't take it to PM unless you have to), but I don't want either side to be angered or upset by the way points are presented. It is a reasonable conversation, don't let it degenerate into an argument.

Biggs

[Gypsys Kiss]

I easy either way. I check the thread daily anyway. All I need to know is when the next salvo begins. And for this round at least, amazzony and myself are PMing each other about the attacks being posted, so if both of us are watching the thread, we aint going to miss the post.

I dont know how easy it is to have a saved message to all the captains that you can just hit send, everytime a new salvo starts. That might be an alternative. But in essence I'm an easy going guy, and will go with whatever you decide.

[MrGlassB]

Thanks for the input, guys. I have no desire to get into any sort of heated argument with jrh_cardinal. I would simply like to run the tournament the way I want to run it as the TO. That being said, I also want to be as accommodating to the players as I can (without you guys there wouldn't be any tournaments after all).

So, if moshu (captain of the other deadbeat) agrees to jrh_cardinal's proposition for replacing deadbeats, I am happy to adjust the rules accordingly and get a couple of new players in here. I'll send them a message now and see if I can get them to post here.

MGB

[moshu]

jhr_cardinal is right when he says that teams are random so we do not have to pay for other players not playing.
consider this: 3 players don't play... the team loses a lot.

[BiggsHancock]

Glad that's sorted.

All the games from Salvo 1 are finished. I guess we'll be posting out Salvo 2 targets as soon as the maps have been updated?

Biggs

[MrGlassB]

jhr_cardinal is right when he says that teams are random so we do not have to pay for other players not playing.
consider this: 3 players don't play... the team loses a lot.

Noted. I am replacing both players with reserves in the order of deadbeating.

GeneralJestix will replace stuart133 for moshu's team.
fstuppy will replace mickunited333 for jrh_cardinal's team.

MGB

[MrGlassB]

All the games from Salvo 1 are finished. I guess we'll be posting out Salvo 2 targets as soon as the maps have been updated?

Indeed.

All the boards have been updated. Let me know if you see anything odd or wrong. There shouldn't be, but you never know...

Begin Round 1 Salvo 2

MGB

[Gypsys Kiss]

These are our attacks for salvo 2

Gypsys Kiss..........C4
Extraterrestrial.....C5
co-co.................C6
bz89..................C7

[BiggsHancock]

BiggsHancock - b2
kgbpizza - c3
Gilligan - g2
chunks86 - i4

Biggs

[jrh_cardinal]

jrh_cardinal - f6
Steve The Mighty - g7
fstuppy - h8
thetiger - i9

[amazzony]

Added defence in quotes.

These are our attacks for salvo 2

Gypsys Kiss..........C4 vs paulgamelb
Extraterrestrial.....C5 vs 40kguy
co-co.................C6 vs amazzony
bz89..................C7vs Jobiwan

Our attack:
amazzony C3
paulgamelb D4
40kguy E5
Jobiwan F6