CCatman- Ljex, In cahoots to escape from high poi[noted]es

[stahrgazer]

Two pps above said Ljex was acting illegally in telling his target and another says it looks like ljex cheated based on that...I was just pointing out that it is NOT illegal/cheating...

If your "another" meant me... read again. I said, IF it's illegal to tell who your target is, then it's cheating. I also said I found no specific rule against (although it might be implied by the 'secrecy' factor). If.. then.

However, in the case of catman, unfortunately, looking at the history of his games, he can definitely cash and deploy within a second despite battles going on around him. Since he cashed and waited multiple seconds, had several seconds to deploy his extra troops before ljex took his castle, it does look suspicious enough to warrant a look-see. Conclusive? Maybe not. But.. suspicious, especially suspicious when it occurred after the discussion of who-has-which target, and then add in cc's cryptic, "I'll tell you later why I did that," and such comments.

So, the OP has enough to warrant a suspicion, so posted it.

[AndyDufresne]

Informing someone of your Assassin Target may get you bad ratings (just like the way some people receive bad ratings for providing information in Fog of War games), but it isn't against the rules. It may not be a very good strategy (or may be actually appropriate in the game if it seems like someone is working their way towards a win, and you and others want to openly align against them, etc).


--Andy

[ljex]

long and short...it isn't cheating to say who your target is...in fact, 8 out of ten times you would discount whatever was said as misleading...I've often bullshitted about who my target is and then in future games pps don't believe and are easy meat...bit of a mod-hunter beatup going on???

It is illegal if it was done to throw the game. Take all actions into account and it sure looks very suspect.

Target informing + what appears to be neutral suicide + almost 5 minutes of drop opportunity that ccat chose not to take advantage of and which likely would have been enough to not be eliminated + chat comments =

jefjef what you really dont understand about fs speed escalating is that he didnt have anywhere close to 5 min to cash he had less than 20 seconds to cash and deploy. If you wait till the end of the round to cash and cash last you get more troops...so he had from the time he realized i was attacking him till i killed him to cash and deploy...probably less than 20 seconds to do so.

[Darwins_Bane]

i can cash and deploy in 3 seconds....even if i missed the first deploy say another 2 seconds. I'm not taking sides here, but what you're saying doesn't make sense.

[Commander62890]

I just checked out the game log.

Obviously, it is good freestyle speed tactics to cash at the very end of the round, so you get the most possible troops. ccatman is very fast, and he knows that he can cash near the end of a round and get more troops than he would at the start.


There were 9 seconds from the time Ljex started hitting neutrals to the time he killed ccatman.
There were 3 seconds from the time he started hitting ccatman to the time he finished him off.

If you'll notice, 1 second after Ljex started hitting ccatman, ccatman cashed his set. However, he did not deploy it in those 2 final seconds.



Take from this information what you will. Personally, I believe that ccatman did not get his set on the field because Ljex was taking territories too quickly.




Here's the log:

2010-09-24 00:37:12 - ljex cashed in a group of Feudal Empire Castle, Northern Plains 3, and Lake Minstello 12 worth 4 troops
2010-09-24 00:37:13 - ljex deployed 9 troops on Realm of Might Castle
2010-09-24 00:37:13 - ljex assaulted Realm of Might 6 from Realm of Might Castle and conquered it from neutral player
2010-09-24 00:37:14 - ljex assaulted Realm of Might 7 from Realm of Might 6 and conquered it from neutral player
2010-09-24 00:37:16 - ljex assaulted Lake Minstello 13 from Realm of Might 7 and conquered it from neutral player
2010-09-24 00:37:17 - ljex assaulted Lake Minstello 11 from Lake Minstello 13 and conquered it from neutral player
2010-09-24 00:37:18 - ljex assaulted Lake Minstello 8 from Lake Minstello 11 and conquered it from neutral player
2010-09-24 00:37:19 - ljex assaulted Lake Minstello 7 from Lake Minstello 8 and conquered it from ccatman
2010-09-24 00:37:19 - ljex assaulted Imperial Dynasty 2 from Lake Minstello 7 and conquered it from ccatman
2010-09-24 00:37:20 - ljex assaulted Imperial Dynasty 1 from Imperial Dynasty 2 and conquered it from ccatman
2010-09-24 00:37:20 - ccatman cashed in a group of Barbarians 2, Rebel Territory 5, and Feudal Empire 5 worth 6 troops
2010-09-24 00:37:20 - ljex assaulted Imperial Dynasty Castle from Imperial Dynasty 1 and conquered it from ccatman
2010-09-24 00:37:21 - ljex assaulted Imperial Dynasty 4 from Imperial Dynasty Castle and conquered it from ccatman
2010-09-24 00:37:22 - ljex assaulted Imperial Dynasty 5 from Imperial Dynasty 4 and conquered it from ccatman
2010-09-24 00:37:22 - ljex assaulted Imperial Dynasty 6 from Imperial Dynasty 5 and conquered it from ccatman
2010-09-24 00:37:22 - ljex eliminated ccatman from the game
2010-09-24 00:37:22 - ljex won the game

[stahrgazer]

long and short...it isn't cheating to say who your target is...in fact, 8 out of ten times you would discount whatever was said as misleading...I've often bullshitted about who my target is and then in future games pps don't believe and are easy meat...bit of a mod-hunter beatup going on???

It is illegal if it was done to throw the game. Take all actions into account and it sure looks very suspect.

Target informing + what appears to be neutral suicide + almost 5 minutes of drop opportunity that ccat chose not to take advantage of and which likely would have been enough to not be eliminated + chat comments =

jefjef what you really dont understand about fs speed escalating is that he didnt have anywhere close to 5 min to cash he had less than 20 seconds to cash and deploy. If you wait till the end of the round to cash and cash last you get more troops...so he had from the time he realized i was attacking him till i killed him to cash and deploy...probably less than 20 seconds to do so.

2010-09-24 01:32:32 - ccatman received 3 troops for 7 regions
2010-09-24 01:33:13 - army of nobunaga got bonus of 5 troops added to Feudal Empire Castle
2010-09-24 01:33:13 - army of nobunaga received 1 troops for holding 2 Feudal Empire Territories
2010-09-24 01:33:13 - army of nobunaga received 3 troops for 2 regions
2010-09-24 01:36:26 - GloverParkDude deployed 5 troops on Rebel Territory Castle
2010-09-24 01:37:10 - GloverParkDude bombarded Rebel Territory 5 from Rebel Territory Castle and annihilated neutral player's troops
2010-09-24 01:37:12 - ljex cashed in a group of Feudal Empire Castle, Northern Plains 3, and Lake Minstello 12 worth 4 troops
2010-09-24 01:37:13 - ljex deployed 9 troops on Realm of Might Castle
2010-09-24 01:37:13 - ljex assaulted Realm of Might 6 from Realm of Might Castle and conquered it from neutral player
2010-09-24 01:37:14 - ljex assaulted Realm of Might 7 from Realm of Might 6 and conquered it from neutral player
2010-09-24 01:37:16 - ljex assaulted Lake Minstello 13 from Realm of Might 7 and conquered it from neutral player
here, he would have known which way you were headed, could have cashed and deployed right then
2010-09-24 01:37:17 - ljex assaulted Lake Minstello 11 from Lake Minstello 13 and conquered it from neutral player
2010-09-24 01:37:18 - ljex assaulted Lake Minstello 8 from Lake Minstello 11 and conquered it from neutral player
2010-09-24 01:37:19 - ljex assaulted Lake Minstello 7 from Lake Minstello 8 and conquered it from ccatman
2010-09-24 01:37:19 - ljex assaulted Imperial Dynasty 2 from Lake Minstello 7 and conquered it from ccatman
2010-09-24 01:37:20 - ljex assaulted Imperial Dynasty 1 from Imperial Dynasty 2 and conquered it from ccatman
instead, he cashed here, which means he did wait five minutes to cash, he received troops at 1:32:32; and 20 seconds after you had cashed, so your "wait to cash last" idea doesn't hold much, either
2010-09-24 01:37:20 - ccatman cashed in a group of Barbarians 2, Rebel Territory 5, and Feudal Empire 5 worth 6 troops
further, in other games he can cash and deploy in the same second
2010-09-24 01:37:20 - ljex assaulted Imperial Dynasty Castle from Imperial Dynasty 1 and conquered it from ccatman
2010-09-24 01:37:21 - ljex assaulted Imperial Dynasty 4 from Imperial Dynasty Castle and conquered it from ccatman
2010-09-24 01:37:22 - ljex assaulted Imperial Dynasty 5 from Imperial Dynasty 4 and conquered it from ccatman
2010-09-24 01:37:22 - ljex assaulted Imperial Dynasty 6 from Imperial Dynasty 5 and conquered it from ccatman
2010-09-24 01:37:22 - ljex eliminated ccatman from the game

bottom line, as i said before: I don't really like saying it, but it does look suspiciously like cat deliberately did not cash/deploy to prevent you from killing him despite many opportunities and plenty of time - for a player with his speed and skill - to try

[Commander62890]

That's a good analysis. Just remember that we're talking about seconds here, and everyone makes mistakes.

The fact that he's such a good player is really working against him, here. We assume that because he's so good, and so infallible, that any mistakes he makes means he must be cheating. So be it.






Now that we've established that saying who your target is in game chat is not cheating, what evidence do we have against Ljex?

Why would ccatman enter a game looking to donate points to Ljex? If we assume that ccatman was cheating, it must because he thought he could not win, and thus decided to give his points to the highest-ranked player, who happened to be Ljex. There is no evidence that ccatman told Ljex he would be donating points.

Is there a rule that states that if a player suicides, the one who benefits is also guilty, without any incriminating evidence?

[stahrgazer]

That's a good analysis. Just remember that we're talking about seconds here, and everyone makes mistakes.

The fact that he's such a good player is really working against him, here. We assume that because he's so good, and so infallible, that any mistakes he makes means he must be cheating. So be it.

Honestly, I'm not making the assumption that he's guilty. I'm agreeing it looks suspicious for a player of his calibre, and using that information to indicate why it should be looked at further. There's enough here to warrant someone looking, and that justifies that the OP's complained at all; but personally, I hope he's cleared.

[Bruceswar]

long and short...it isn't cheating to say who your target is...in fact, 8 out of ten times you would discount whatever was said as misleading...I've often bullshitted about who my target is and then in future games pps don't believe and are easy meat...bit of a mod-hunter beatup going on???

It is illegal if it was done to throw the game. Take all actions into account and it sure looks very suspect.

Target informing + what appears to be neutral suicide + almost 5 minutes of drop opportunity that ccat chose not to take advantage of and which likely would have been enough to not be eliminated + chat comments =

jefjef what you really dont understand about fs speed escalating is that he didnt have anywhere close to 5 min to cash he had less than 20 seconds to cash and deploy. If you wait till the end of the round to cash and cash last you get more troops...so he had from the time he realized i was attacking him till i killed him to cash and deploy...probably less than 20 seconds to do so.

Your really digging a hole right? Trying to say ccatman did not have the time to drop and deploy is just not in touch with the game... I play tons of fs speed and you know when someone is coming to kill you. BTW in a game like that everybody always has the spoils checked and ready to go. So do not try to tell me he did not have them ready and could not do it within 20 seconds....

2010-09-23 23:39:16 - ljex: btw cc i only went at you because i thought yellow had me and they were everntually going to come after me <--- How would ljex know this?? @ why CC did something?
2010-09-23 23:39:19 - ccatman: well clearly you fooled me
2010-09-23 23:39:22 - ccatman: and lead me to do what i did
2010-09-23 23:39:23 - ljex: otherwise i would have waited for better odds <--- Waited for better odds? What him to waste the rest of his men?
2010-09-23 23:39:33 - ccatman: which lead to green winning
2010-09-23 23:39:35 - ccatman: which lead to you losing
2010-09-23 23:39:36 - ccatman: so bad idea
2010-09-23 23:39:42 - GloverParkDude: i wasnt expecting you to noob it up that bad <--- Truth be told here
2010-09-23 23:39:46 - GloverParkDude: no
2010-09-23 23:39:46 - ccatman: yeah luckily i didnt deploy... <--- Why is that lucky?
2010-09-23 23:39:49 - ccatman: but i was dead either way so no point <---- This is after the sucide, ofc you are dead..

The fact he said he did not deploy because he is dead just makes it look even worse.

[ljex]

Could he have intentionally threw the game yes. Do i think he did...no. Either way i know i didnt do anything wrong in that game.

[ccatman]

clearly everyone is blind by the facts let me explain the game to you and what it was through my mind(i stoped reading after the end of page 1 cause all the stupidity people were throwing out there was giving me a head ache)
first of all i had yellow as a target and yellow had red as a target those are facts
now if you use your eyes and look at the regions yellow assaulted you will notice his stack is COMPLETELY BLOCKED from red so he has no way of killing red if red sits all game and because of this i assumed yellow didnt have red and if i have yellow yellow does not have me so that means yellow had green. if i have yellow and yellow has green then red can not have yellow because i had him and red can not have green because yellow had him so that means red had ME and because red had me he had to go through about 40 neutrals to get to me so i would say grabing a village with a 30 stack is safe to do? my dice failed me though and i was left with 3 vs 3 after attempting 30 vs 2+10+2+8 and grabing a village doesnt only get me more troops each turn but it puts me closer to my target which was yellow
NOW for why i didnt deploy when green came at me is because i was trying to figure out what he was doing when he was coming at me i was confused and by the time i tried deploying he had hit the region i tried deploying on (it was my 4th last region by the time i realized what was happening) and i didnt have time to deploy on another spot but even if i deployed i lost and at that point it didnt matter to me who won because i do NOT care about points
SORRY FOR USING LOGIC EVERYONE MY BAD this isnt the first time i've been yelled at for trying to use logic in a game based on logic(and dice)thanks everyone for being stupid you made my day all of you

[jefjef]

thanks everyone for being stupid

Sorry I am so stupid. Please logically explain the meaning of this post in game chat.

2010-09-23 23:39:46 - ccatman: yeah luckily i didnt deploy...

[ccatman]

thanks everyone for being stupid

Sorry I am so stupid. Please logically explain the meaning of this post in game chat.

2010-09-23 23:39:46 - ccatman: yeah luckily i didnt deploy...

i did explain it at the end of my post read it again stop wasting my time

[ccatman]

2010-09-24 00:35:16 - ccatman: and red we know that yellow doesnt have me someone else does who coudl that posibly be?hmmmmm
2010-09-24 00:35:23 - ljex: also i have more points than yellow
2010-09-24 00:35:26 - ljex: i think..
2010-09-24 00:35:37 - ljex: pick me



i read through the chat again and if this is seriously where you people think that ljex revealed who he had then i cant believe you all.....through my mind if you read my previous post and you were me you would think ljex was kidding and using sarcasm which is what i thought at the time so he did NOT reveal who he had

edit--2010-09-24 00:35:16 - ccatman: and red we know that yellow doesnt have me someone else does who coudl that posibly be?hmmmmm
i said that when i was certain red had me if you read it again with what was going on through my mind it is clear what i meant by that post

[the.killing.44]

Paragraph breaks were invented for a reason.

[army of nobunaga]

ccatman,

1) you suicided through 10 nuetral , extra territorys that did not give a bonus, and did it VERY VERY early.
2) you correctly deduced (or did other stuff like message behind the scenes) that you could allow the man with the second Highest points in the game win... and you did.
3) you eroneosly thought that I would simply allow someone to kill me because of my rank (although I would maintain I am a better rounded player than you)
4) you did not cash when you realized ljex was going to kill you. ALL YOU PLAY ARE FREESTYLES .. dont try to tell anyone here (because I see zero idiots) that you are not fast enough to cash.


I would just ask you to be a man and admit you threw the game. But thats not in you, is it?

Well I did my part which was to foe you. I dont have time in my life for trash human beings in game or out.

[Chuuuuck]

I will not even bother coming back here to check on the results.

i think this is just a foe and move on... I dont expect anything to happen to these guys... If it was a freemium cook, then yeah.

Anyone that reads the log and chat can see that our high ranked WIMP threw the game... lol

I foed them... All
never have to deal with that trash again.

thanx

tactics? Ive played that map maybe 2000 times... Tactics does not include ramming out of your neutral, needlessly attacking EVERY neutral insight, getting your armys down to about 14... when everyone else had double of that...

he threw the game.. I lose a lot and I lose well... Dont ever say I am a sore loser.. I hate assassins even and only play them for the medal..

This isnt about me. Im sorry. This is about a guy that cheated.

ccatman,

1) you suicided through 10 nuetral , extra territorys that did not give a bonus, and did it VERY VERY early.
2) you correctly deduced (or did other stuff like message behind the scenes) that you could allow the man with the second Highest points in the game win... and you did.
3) you eroneosly thought that I would simply allow someone to kill me because of my rank (although I would maintain I am a better rounded player than you)
4) you did not cash when you realized ljex was going to kill you. ALL YOU PLAY ARE FREESTYLES .. dont try to tell anyone here (because I see zero idiots) that you are not fast enough to cash.


I would just ask you to be a man and admit you threw the game. But thats not in you, is it?

Well I did my part which was to foe you. I dont have time in my life for trash human beings in game or out.

Whether they cheated or not is debatable. I am of the opinion that point preservation is NOT a form of cheating because it is just another part of the strategy of this site to move up the scoreboard which is the ultimate goal of some of the players who play here. To me, calling them cheaters, would be the same as calling myself or any other player a cheater who has tried to go up the scoreboard by using "point matching games" as a way of point preservation. We would be doing the same thing, just going about it different ways.

HOWEVER, to me, cheating, in its purest sense, is really just playing dishonorable. As you can tell from the quotes from above, you sir are dishonest, which in my eyes makes you a liar and no better than than the people you are trying to accuse even if they are guilty. I even find it humorous how you you ended nearly every post with saying how you are better than this and aren't going to give it any more attention, but then seem to continuously find your way back.

[jefjef]

Whether they cheated or not is debatable. I am of the opinion that point preservation is NOT a form of cheating.

HOWEVER, to me, cheating, in its purest sense, is really just playing dishonorable.

Huh. I find it humorous how you see this as honorable point preserving game throwing...

Ccat blatantly claims "lucky" he didn't drop. He claim what he wants but it is obvious he knew ljex had him. Heck he didn't even try to get a card, which should have been his priority, nor did he bother to try to stay alive and make a game of it.

This was NOT honorable game play...

This deserves NOTED at the very least.

[Chuuuuck]

Huh. I find it humorous how you see this as honorable point preserving game throwing...

Ccat blatantly claims "lucky" he didn't drop. He claim what he wants but it is obvious he knew green had him. Heck he didn't even try to get a card, which should have been his priority, nor did he bother to try to stay alive and make a game of it.

This was NOT honorable game play...

I do not consider what he did dishonorable. I will openly admit that if I know I cannot win a game then I will look for a way to lose it in a way that costs me the least number of points if, at the time, I am trying to climb the scoreboard.

What many players on this site do not realize is this game, a lot like poker, is based off a system of your overall expected value of points per game (like in poker your overall expected value of money per hand). As a top player who wants to climb the board, you have to do everything you can to increase your expected value per game and that definitely includes losing as little as possible when you have lost (just like in poker you have to limit your losses so your overall expected value gets bigger for the ones that you will win). To me this is strategy, to others, maybe it is cheating. That is why I said it is debatable.

I know, from your previous comments, you will disagree with this. But I would like to stress the point of me saying it is debatable. I understand your side of things and I respectably disagree but by no means does that mean your opinion is wrong, only that it differs from mine.

[army of nobunaga]

Well I respect your opinion chuck.

I do think however If a freemium cook did this, he would already be noted or warned.

To me its just a game, being CC conqueror here or general is not even worth putting on my resume, so why would I F up the game for 3 other people. If Ljex was not in cahoots with him, then I would expect ljex would admit he doesnt like to win that cheaply. All it did was sully the name of 2 or 3 people imo.

[jefjef]

If Ljex was not in cahoots with him, then I would expect ljex would admit he doesnt like to win that cheaply.

Well after all is said and done I do believe that there was no SD by ljex and deserves to be cleared in this. He only managed to benefit from whatever ccat was really doing.

From ccatman wall:

point dropping is illegal and you will get banned for it just so you know...if you intentionally lose. if you just join doodles or something you are fine but if you intentionally lose you will get banned

by ljex
on Mon Sep 27, 2010 10:12 pm

[ljex]

ccatman,

1) you suicided through 10 nuetral , extra territorys that did not give a bonus, and did it VERY VERY early.
2) you correctly deduced (or did other stuff like message behind the scenes) that you could allow the man with the second Highest points in the game win... and you did.
3) you eroneosly thought that I would simply allow someone to kill me because of my rank (although I would maintain I am a better rounded player than you)
4) you did not cash when you realized ljex was going to kill you. ALL YOU PLAY ARE FREESTYLES .. dont try to tell anyone here (because I see zero idiots) that you are not fast enough to cash.


I would just ask you to be a man and admit you threw the game. But thats not in you, is it?

Well I did my part which was to foe you. I dont have time in my life for trash human beings in game or out.

1) He statistically should have picked up a bonus
2) No messages between me and him...i can tell you that for a fact.
3) Who are you a better round player than? CCatman plays a lot of not fs speed games...you should prob look at these things before slinging accusations like that. If you were referring to me...well then i also play many different types of games, and i think i have an active game on every setting but assassin because i only play that speed.
4) refer to 3 and search active games for ccatman or me and you will find that this is a false statement. Also he did cash...he just didnt deploy any error message after he cashed where he try's to deploy a region i have already taken and he will have 0 chance to deploy on another region.

Whether they cheated or not is debatable. I am of the opinion that point preservation is NOT a form of cheating.

HOWEVER, to me, cheating, in its purest sense, is really just playing dishonorable.

Huh. I find it humorous how you see this as honorable point preserving game throwing...

Ccat blatantly claims "lucky" he didn't drop. He claim what he wants but it is obvious he knew ljex had him. Heck he didn't even try to get a card, which should have been his priority, nor did he bother to try to stay alive and make a game of it.

This was NOT honorable game play...

This deserves NOTED at the very least.

jefjef, do you really fail to see that that could have a double meaning...lucky i didnt drop because if i did you dont win...which would have given the game to GPD who was all of like 100 points lower in score than me at the time. But clearly we have different opinions on how the game happened, problem is you never play this type of game so you have no way to comment on how something is easy or how he had 5 minutes to cash.

Well I respect your opinion chuck.

I do think however If a freemium cook did this, he would already be noted or warned.

To me its just a game, being CC conqueror here or general is not even worth putting on my resume, so why would I F up the game for 3 other people. If Ljex was not in cahoots with him, then I would expect ljex would admit he doesnt like to win that cheaply. All it did was sully the name of 2 or 3 people imo.

Its really simple...if i thought he cheated i would say sorry to the both of you and prob offer to play you on any settings for you to get your points back if you win, that said i dont think he was cheating so i have nothing to apologize for. Furthermore i dont like to win games cheaply but what am i supposed to do if someone else makes a mistake...not take advantage of it? Also if that was a cook in the game you wouldnt have even questioned it as secret diplomacy because low rankers expand in those all the time...its because a general made a risky play and then wasnt able to cash that you are so sure it is secret diplomacy. I disagree thought i understand how he could have possibly not cashed intentionally, you on the other had are 100% convinced of something that may just be a common mistake. Lastly if he really wanted to throw the game he could have just not cashed and just said afk and there would be no argument as to if he was cheating...10 seconds is not a lot of time to look away for.

[jefjef]

But clearly we have different opinions on how the game happened, problem is you never play this type of game so you have no way to comment on how something is easy or how he had 5 minutes to cash.

ljex,

You know what. You come in and post this stuff. I may have to retract my last post. You are adamantly trying to sweep away whatever really happened.

You don't have to play FS speed in order to KNOW with cashes at 6 and in a weakened/vulnerable state and with knowing who most likely has you that the priority is to drop and get a card and stay alive UNLESS...

And yes he had almost a full 5 minutes to do exactly that.

[ljex]

But clearly we have different opinions on how the game happened, problem is you never play this type of game so you have no way to comment on how something is easy or how he had 5 minutes to cash.

ljex,

You know what. You come in and post this stuff. I may have to retract my last post. You are adamantly trying to sweep away whatever really happened.

You don't have to play FS speed in order to KNOW with cashes at 6 and in a weakened/vulnerable state and with knowing who most likely has you that the priority is to drop and get a card and stay alive UNLESS...

And yes he had almost a full 5 minutes to do exactly that.

jefjef the game is about winning, not stoping you from being a target. In order to have any shot of winning that game ccatman had to hope to get the last cashes and the game to last many more rounds. Also please notice that he had all of 10 seconds from the time i cashed to the time i killed him...thus making him not have 5 minutes to cash at 6 spoils worth. Anyway i digress if you want to play one I'm sure we can arrange that and you can then see how important it is to wait till the end of the round to cash... until you actually play a game and learn its own unique strategies then i fail too see how you can give a relevant opinion on how he was making a strategically dumb play thats only purpose was to throw the game. Also most games don't last 5 rounds and people don't normally cash at 4 spoils so there is no way he expected me to cash and come after him that round based on the board he saw...

[army of nobunaga]

ljex you are so full of shit... you were there... you really make yourself look guilty by defending this bs...

"In order to have any shot of winning that game ccatman had to hope to get the last cashes and the game to last many more rounds"

WHY WAS THIS?>>>>>?? MAYBE BECAUSE HE CRASHED OUT AND HAD 60% less TROOPS THAN EVERYONE! HE ATTACKED EVERYTHING he could reach nuetral to reduce his troops.


im finished with this thread. Im just glad I have all of you foed. You little boys can play your little games with each other. Men have better things to do with thier time.