jakewilliams wrote:live chat guidelines wrote:Because of the dynamic and always-going nature of chat, all rules and guidelines are interpreted according to the situation solely at the Moderator's discretion. Moderator directions and/or decisions made are to be followed without question. If a user has a problem with the direction or decision that the moderator made, the user is not to disrupt the room in complaint but to address the moderator directly through private messaging. If you feel the situation was not resolved sufficiently, you may forward the problem to the Head Chatter or any of the Admin. Be sure to include logs of the attempted resolution.
That's what matters. If you don't think a mod is handling something correctly, you should save the copies of the logs and contact someone the Head Chatter or an Admin. I know (and like) both Juan and LV, and I believe that the odds are good that those two going up against each other will never turn out well.
Let me be completely honest with you JW; if you are a competent MOD and enforce all of the rules as they are written (which I think is true of you), then you will never need this blanket rule to cover your ass. This rule just covers up the mistakes of MODs who really aren't deserving of the badge. Besides this, nothing in life ever changes unless someone asks that ancient philosophical question "why?"
Now, LOVO posted this rule after he realized that there was no rule against using the Trivia Contest tab. He was trying to back away from his mistake without admitting that he was wrong about there even being a rule in the first place. It would have been doubly painful for him, no doubt, because right before he went to go check the rules at my request: he said "I know the rules, I enforce them everyday."
notyou2 wrote:Perhaps if some mods with a bit of wisdom, compassion, and a sense of fairness were chosen, as well as the ability to LISTEN.
Power corrupts.
You don't get that when you have a 16 year olds joining the internet police. Im not saying that LOVO is 16, but it's a point to be made about what to expect from MODs.
Besides this, wasn't LOVO in the BPBs?
lord voldemort wrote:he also received many formal warnings before the kick/ban
Your warnings were for "trolling." Which, I explained to you, it's not trolling to be passionate about something. You were simply using it as an excuse to get rid of me, because I was telling everyone about your abuse of powers. You were embarrassed and wanted me gone.
And you weren't warning me either. You said, twice if I'm not mistaken, that I needed to end the conversation or you
could interpret what I was saying as trolling and ban me. That is not a warning, that is a threat.
Pander88uk wrote:Juan was told quite clearly the purpose and states so himself:
Juan_Bottom wrote:LOVO comes in, and says that we are not allowed to use the Trivia tab to have discussions. I asked him why. He says that it's in the Live Chat rules, and he posts the following link:
viewtopic.php?t=124342
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So I, being the smartass that I am, kindly point out that there is no rule there about using Trivia Chat when the competitions aren't happening. So he kicks me from Trivia.
What is wrong with this? Lovo explained his case, and only removed Juan from TRIVIA, which he shouldn't need to be using anyway, not the whole of chat. That only happened when Juan wouldn't let it rest.
See, I wasn't
told clearly. That's kinda the point. I asked why we couldn't use it, and LOVO said that it was in the rules and linked the bash page with the Trivia Questions tab's actual listed rules.
When I saw the thread my initial response was "Oh Sh*t! I thought it was a private tab!" I was well prepared to admit that I made a mistake. I'm not that stubborn that I can't admit when I am wrong.
But, I read the five or so bullets and there was no rule. Which is what I told LOVO, and then he kicked me from the Trivia Tab. He didn't explain jack to anyone.
Pander88uk wrote:Merely asking why? Sounds a bit more than that, and as I mentioned previously, he was told the reason, so no need to keep asking. Also as I said previously, Lovo donates a LOT of time to help this site run which he doesn't have to do. You should all be grateful to him for doing this free of charge!
That doesn't mean we should all bow down to him and let him do whatever he wants. Nor does that make him good at what he does. *Real Cops put their lives on the line every day, but I'm not throwing a wreath around the neck of a corrupt one.
Not to draw comparisons to a real life Police Officer.
cena-rules wrote:[*]Social stays in Social, Callouts stay in Callouts and Trivia Contests is only for Trivia Contests.
THIS IS A NEW RULE THAT JUST APPEARED AFTER I MADE THIS THREAD. APEARANTLY NO ONE THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE I STARTED BITCHING ABOUT LOVO CLEARLY ABUSING HIS POWER. THIS IS AN INDIRECT ADMISSION BY THE MODS THAT THEY WERE WRONG. IF THEY WERE RIGHT THEN WHY DID THEY RETRO-ACTIVELY (AND SILENTLY) MAKE A NEW RULE? God-damnitt Cena I told you in my first post that there were no rules about using Trivia Contest's tab.
Seriously this does make me pretty happy about it though. At least they kinda admit that LOVO was completely wrong.
I didn't make this a thread to complain about abuse. The MOD's ALWAYS protect their own in public. I actually made this thread in General Discussion.
The PM that I got from
SirSebstar literally ignored everything that I said, and he/she copy/pasted general chat rules to it. It didn't mention anything that I said in this thread at all. Which is stupid BTW, and shows how one-sided MODs are when talking about one of their own. Add a new rule to help cover your asses and then send me a general PM about chat abuse. WTF SirSebstar?
just because i say something does not make it true...i want screen shots as proof...
