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[Caymanmew]

<Accused:

lackattack
AndyDufresne
king achilles
sw0rdf!sh
admin

The accused are suspected of:


: spaming
: "stealing points/different stats"
: being intentionally annoying



Game number(s):

Game 7469318
Game 7469320
Game 7469321
Game 7469322
Game 7469323
Game 7469324
Game 7469325
Game 7469326
Game 7469327
Game 7469328
Game 7469329
Game 7469414
Game 7469415
Game 7469416
Game 7469417
Game 7469418
Game 7469419
Game 7469420
Game 7469421
(all games where on would cup map)
Comments:

SPAMING

i reseved 19 of these

Hello caymanmew,

Due to technical difficulties game 7469421, which you joined, had become corrupted beyond repair and had to be deleted. Any exchanges of points have been reversed.

We apologize for any inconvenience this causes.

Regards,
The Conquer Club

this can be comsitder spam

Posting rapidly in a short time.
Posting the same thing over and over in the same or other threads.

i got 19 messages with 3 minutes and each message said the same thing just with a different game number

that both Posting rapidly in a short time and Posting the same thing over and over in the same or other threads


"STEALING POINTS/DIFFERENT STASTS"

me and many members lost hard earned points that number is different for different people.... some gained points. this is unfair we have played the game earned the points and the win/ completed game on our profile. now it is gone i may have had 99% turns taken i would now have 100% taken. these games where played like a normal game but have not been treated like that, this is unfair to both the indivional players and the "record system".



BEING INTENTIONALLY ANNOYING


this is annoying and take the fun out of the game. there where new players in some of those games, there first expareance is now you taking away there games. this was not a rash dicsion most games where alreaddy done many where active few needed players to start yet you still deleted them.

if you are intentionally or continually making this community less enjoyable for others, you're going to be removed from it.

you made the community less enjoyable for people. you did this with intent. that part is plain and simple

[Rodion]

haha, awesome!

[Metsfanmax]

Sounds like an open and shut case to me.

[lord voldemort]

well expect some sort of vacation for spurious reports

[rdsrds2120]

Don't give up cayman! You have the power!...Oh, wait...you don't...just a lot of the people you're accusing, my bad

[stahrgazer]

well expect some sort of vacation for spurious reports

lovo, you're the LAST mod who should be threatening vacas for someone making a report.. considering that just a couple hours ago you were kicking people without fully explaining to them about unwritten rules, and threatening bans when those people continued to ask you... instead, you told them to either make an eticket or put in a report

now you're threatening bans for someone who made a report.

Make up your mind... oh wait, you rarely have one.

For the record, since cayman didn't explain... those games were on World Cup. Yesterday people could play the game, today they're all deleted. when cayman was discussing it, he was told, "we could ban you for making those games you're not supposed to play." High crime, opening up games to play on a GAMEPLAY site. yeesh!

[Caymanmew]

well expect some sort of vacation for spurious reports

this was not a spurious reports. i did not just post whatever i made a report and i supported it. if your saying you will ban me for reporting someone who has more power then me then that is crazy. mod/admins make mistakes they do something that is not within rules. dont get mad because someone reported what they think as agents the rules

[lord voldemort]

c&a isnt a place to make jokes and to make silly threads...

[Caymanmew]

c&a isnt a place to make jokes and silly reports.

not a joke or a silly report it should be dealt with like a report

[Royal Panda]

c&a isnt a place to make jokes and silly reports.

not a joke or a silly report it should be dealt with like a report

Those PMs were automatic PMs that are sent by default when a game is deleted. Hardly intentional spamming, though I appreciate it would have been rather annoying to get them all at once!

Did this really need a report? A simple PM to Andy asking for clarification would have sufficed to start with. If you didn't get a decent response, THEN you could have reported!

[jrh_cardinal]

cayman, you're basically mad because the owner of the site won't let you play on world cup. So you post here hoping that a person that volunteers for the site will do what? perma-ban lack and andy?

[darth emperor]

perma-ban lack and andy?

lol that would be funny....then I guess he'll complain that CC hasn't made any progress since then and how useless are the admins... of course if they can't enter how do you expect to get changes

[eddie2]

lol this is funny.

could it have something to do with this

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=123316

[SirSebstar]

now if the pm's had anything to do with hamburgers i could understand the OP. as it is... dont be intentionally annoying and use common sense.

[Darwins_Bane]

I know, that everyone, including caymanmew, knows that he created the games in a glitch. Now you're pissed because the glitch has been corrected? You had to know that something like this would happen. Sorry bud, but its a seasonal map.....and its not in season.

[Leehar]

Wow, I didn't think you were actually going to go post this. Wow, just Wow

[stahrgazer]

This reminds me of an article I once wrote, that never made it to the newsletter.

In Search of Saint Schloss
by stahrgazer
I first heard of the situation a week or so ago in Live Chat, when someone excitedly invited people to a game on the St. Patrick’s Day map. Later, I heard the whispers about “Das Schloss.” More recently, people are being (at least) warned for opening games on those maps. Why? What’s all the hullaballoo? I set out in search of Saint Schloss to explain, and eventually found him.

stahrgazer: Saint Schloss, what is the issue, please?
Saint Schloss: Das ist verboten! Nicht one, but two issues, das is verboten!

He went on in his mix of German-accented English which, to ease my audience, I have translated back to the normal English pronunciation.
A recent update to the site has caused the Das Schloss and St. Patrick’s Day maps to be ‘startable,’ but neither of those maps are currently intended for play. St. Patrick’s was always intended as a special holiday map and never went through the formal release process, so even though no specific errors have been found, CC does not want that map on its roster of playables. Das Schloss is a different issue. During the course of its release process, a bug was found; starting positions in the lower left, parachutes, cannot be killed, so some of the games cannot end. For that reason, CC took the map off the open market so that the program can be updated to fix the bug that cannot be killed while games are active.
Easy enough, then, tell people “Don’t touch,” right? Erm.. when is the last time you told a child not to touch? Some young men (okay, not just young men, but young women as well) openly admit, “Tell me not to hit a button, and that’s just the button I’ll punch!” So what is a poor Admin to do?
In a recent thread, the “Warnings given,” was explained as, “People should not intentionally abuse a bug.” The problem with that explanation is that there used to be a bug in Freestyle play where someone could invoke a double-turn. Complaints about that were answered with, “Since the site program allows it, it’s legal.” Why, then, is this bug any different?
I don’t know about the St. Paddy map, but Das Schloss, at least, is different. With the double Freestyle turn, it gave an advantage to those who used it, but at least the game could finish. With Das Schloos, while people are busy punching the button they’re being told not to touch, the site cannot fix the programming to enable all games to end with a winner, taking up site space, freemie gameslots, and holding points hostage. Ahem. Hostages? Hostage-holding is against the site rules.
”Unwritten Rules"
Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage...
(I always wondered how these rules that I am reading – thus are written – are called “Unwritten Rules,” but written or not, there they are in black and white.)
The moral of the story is, I’m not going to tell anyone not to punch a button. I am, however, going to request that those who are taking hostages on Das Schloss, please release your hostages and open the gates so that CC Admin can put that fix into place.
As for St. Patrick’s Day? I imagine that if we don’t agree to stop hitting the button on our own, Admin does have a way to permanently delete the map.
Thus, the second moral of this story is, please refrain, or, put another way, “Don’t tease the bears!”

The addendum for this article would naturally add a question to some South African official about playing on a soccer field when the international World Cup competition is already over for the year.

stahrgazer: Sir, do you think soccer should be allowed any time?
Official: Nee! Sokker verkeerd! (Soccer is outlawed).

The moral of the combined stories is, I just don't get why any map is okay to play for 3 weeks (or month); or okay for speshul folks to play for an additional 3 weeks (or months); but not sufficiently "approved" just to let people play the danged thing on a GAMEPLAYING site.

I may have understood, initially, why St. P's map wasn't authorized for full play (because it did not go through the full-up foundry process, just as original Classic and a few other earlier maps did not go through a foundry process that was not initiated at the time) but a year later, no attempt has been made to fully authorize it. Two years later, CC goes and does the same thing again - authorizes yet another map outside of the New Official Sanctioned Holy Foundry process.

And then officials of CC wonder why people want to play the maps.

Further, the day before, some of the non-tournament WC games were allowed to complete, just as the year before that
some of the St. Patrick's day map games were allowed to complete.

Further still, if the argument is that these are special holiday maps, then what's with HALLOWEEN Hallows?

Next, caymanmew was threatened with being banned because he happened to create some games on a map. It's now a high holy crime to create a game anytime admin decides it was the wrong game to create.

Finally, admin, you have the power to control those auto-messages so that he didn't get spammed.

You really should look at this report and make some corrections to several "standard procedures."

[eddie2]

long story short this thread was made on the 15th aug

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=124306


the question was asked why it was avalable again with no proper response.

[Ace Rimmer]

World Cup (along with St Patricks Day) never went through the Foundry process. As such, they aren't guaranteed to be properly balanced and have all gameplay issues addressed. These are limited time maps and are not for general consumption. The same thing happened with Das Schloss - it was still in the beta stages and had been removed from gameplay due to the gameplay having problems. Halloween Hallows went through the foundry process, that is why it is always available.

There is no interest from the originators of the two special maps to take them through the foundry process, so they are left as special holiday maps. I have pestered MrBenn to take WC through the foundry as it's a great map and I'd love to see a variant of it always available.

Any games started while the maps were officially opened were allowed to be finished. AFAIK, any games opened through the bug were deleted.

As I stated when the issue happened before, I think that the warnings sent out by the admin/etc are not worded well and are too heavy handed. A kinder, gentler notice that the maps are available due to a bug would be better.

[Timminz]

This is all because of that tournament, isn't it?

[stahrgazer]

World Cup (along with St Patricks Day) never went through the Foundry process. As such, they aren't guaranteed to be properly balanced and have all gameplay issues addressed. These are limited time maps and are not for general consumption. The same thing happened with Das Schloss - it was still in the beta stages and had been removed from gameplay due to the gameplay having problems. Halloween Hallows went through the foundry process, that is why it is always available.
There is no interest from the originators of the two special maps to take them through the foundry process, so they are left as special holiday maps. I have pestered MrBenn to take WC through the foundry as it's a great map and I'd love to see a variant of it always available.
Any games started while the maps were officially opened were allowed to be finished. AFAIK, any games opened through the bug were deleted.

If the games aren't playable, stop letting people open new "unplayable" games. If they are playable, let them play. NOT every map on CC went through the foundry process. (The foundry process was created later.)

As I stated when the issue happened before, I think that the warnings sent out by the admin/etc are not worded well and are too heavy handed. A kinder, gentler notice that the maps are available due to a bug would be better.

That, and let the extra few games finish. What, really, is the big deal that 565 instead of only 550 games are played on non-perfectly-sanctioned maps?

I really do not understand why it's okay for map creators to create game maps with no intention of going through a foundry process. I don't understand why admin has repeatedly authorized this, unless the answer is "it doesn't really matter if some maps do not go through the full process."

And if it doesn't matter; if it's okay for some maps to be played without going through the full foundry process, then release them to beta and let them stay beta forever.

[Night Strike]

I really do not understand why it's okay for map creators to create game maps with no intention of going through a foundry process. I don't understand why admin has repeatedly authorized this, unless the answer is "it doesn't really matter if some maps do not go through the full process."

And if it doesn't matter; if it's okay for some maps to be played without going through the full foundry process, then release them to beta and let them stay beta forever.

You don't understand it because you don't want to understand it. The administration wishes to provide special maps for specific CC events, so it's their right to sanction a secret map to facilitate that special event. Because the map doesn't go through the full foundry process, it's not fair to all the other map developers that those maps got special treatment while most have to go through months of feedback and updating. The admins have a made a decision that is completely logical and within their rights (even though they don't have to provide any logical reasons for their decisions), and just because you and others disagree with it does not make your position right and the way things must be.

[eddie2]

on another note if they have refunded the points in these games can they not also do it when players get busted for sd or multis

[stahrgazer]

You don't understand it because you don't want to understand it. The administration wishes to provide special maps for specific CC events, so it's their right to sanction a secret map to facilitate that special event. Because the map doesn't go through the full foundry process, it's not fair to all the other map developers that those maps got special treatment while most have to go through months of feedback and updating. The admins have a made a decision that is completely logical and within their rights (even though they don't have to provide any logical reasons for their decisions), and just because you and others disagree with it does not make your position right and the way things must be.

It's not logical. Granted, they can do whatever the hell they please and don't have to be logical, but your contention that "it's not fair that some maps get special treatment," emphasizes my point, not theirs... if it's "not fair" and that unfairness is the logical reason a map cannot be sanctioned for play, then it's equally "not fair" that the map gets played at all.

My understanding of the process is that once a map is sufficient to test, it goes to beta. If a map was "okay enough to play" sometimes, then it's sufficient to test; that makes it a viable beta map. If it's a viable beta map, it's more fair and logical to release it to beta like other ready-to-test-maps than to exclude it from the process.

But one of the more recent posters made such a valid comment: if admin will reset points for unsanctioned maps, admin should reset points for unsanctioned players (caught multis). The problem with this point is, it's too logical.

[Darwins_Bane]

on another note if they have refunded the points in these games can they not also do it when players get busted for sd or multis

i would guess that its an automatic thing about deleting games, having to do with how the database is set up.